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I have long suspected that the Universe has a strong sense of irony.We like to flatter ourselves that our puny fleeting existence is important to an immortal deity capable of creating an infinite universe. So if there is such a deity, then we are probably just one of his absurd little jokes.
Depends on the chapter and verse.
But who is to say there is any truth beyond the truth found in fairy tales?
Lets see what truth can be found first. Lets face it. As highly evolved, rational, and intelligent modern humans like to think of themselves here we are 5000 years later still trying with great difficulty to understand the identity of a talking snake in a fairy tale written for the children of who some people like to deride as ignorant superstitious nomads.
One truth beyond any truth found in fairy tales is that reality is much stranger.
Odd that the such highly evolved would start going backwards. Some scientists say we are devolving now. If that is the case, do you think at some point man will become a monkey again? Or is that just a monkey myth, and could never happen because a man could never turn into a monkey.
It is your myth that a snake was talking to Eve.
According to scripture, she was seduced by a very charming, intelligent, convincing individual.
Snake is what he became.
I have long suspected that the Universe has a strong sense of irony.We like to flatter ourselves that our puny fleeting existence is important to an immortal deity capable of creating an infinite universe. So if there is such a deity, then we are probably just one of his absurd little jokes.
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Religious madmen always have some silly reason why a Good God would allow pain and suffering. A standard ploy is that God permits it in order that humans may have free-will. But a Good God who was also omnipotent AND all-knowing obviously could create a world free of suffering AND in which humans could have free will (presuming that free will is actually something worth having).Evil and pain exist, so God cannot be all-benevolent.Isn't God supposed to be omnipresent?
God cannot make a stone bigger than He can roll, so He cannot be omnipotent.
Gödel's Proof demonstrates that God cannot be omniscient.
So the apologists for God are just peddling another load of tommy-rot.
The only way out of the problem (for them) is to admit that God is NOT all-powerful AND/OR not all-knowing.
They could weasel out by claiming that, as making a stone bigger than He could move involves a contradiction to the concept of an all-powerful God, it is a reasonable limitation on the power of God that He cannot do something which involves a logical contradiction -- like making a square circle. Then they could claim that a world without suffering involves a logical contradiction.
That would be fine -- if they could explain what the logical contradiction is. Since they have never figured out such a thing, they should not be surprised if some of us distrust their simple-minded notions of deity.
In the spirit of philosophical brotherhood, I will suggest a way that might save their notions of God from logical inanity. I warn you that it involves considerable knowledge of some of the most subtle and advanced areas of modern mathematics. You had better think carefully about the work of Gregory Chaitin, for example.
Perhaps it is logically impossible to predict the optimal history of an infinite universe a priori -- it would require an Infinite Mind greater than the infinity of all the orders of mathematical infinity.
So we may all play out our lives over and over in the Mind of God -- with some changes each time -- so that He may ultimately form an asymptotic approximation to the Optimum Universal History.
God need not thank me for my help -- I'm always willing to give a hand to a Deity who tries to make an honest effort.
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I have long suspected that the Universe has a strong sense of irony.We like to flatter ourselves that our puny fleeting existence is important to an immortal deity capable of creating an infinite universe. So if there is such a deity, then we are probably just one of his absurd little jokes.
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I have long suspected that the Universe has a strong sense of irony.We like to flatter ourselves that our puny fleeting existence is important to an immortal deity capable of creating an infinite universe. So if there is such a deity, then we are probably just one of his absurd little jokes.
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such as death,
whereas the attainable Everlasting exists for those simply willing to reach its presence.
I am sure an infinitely powerful and all-knowing God could figure out a way to do it.You have a very specifically limited view of God. That is interesting given the utter lack of any information upon which to base that view.Religious madmen always have some silly reason why a Good God would allow pain and suffering. A standard ploy is that God permits it in order that humans may have free-will. But a Good God who was also omnipotent AND all-knowing obviously could create a world free of suffering AND in which humans could have free will (presuming that free will is actually something worth having).Evil and pain exist, so God cannot be all-benevolent.
God cannot make a stone bigger than He can roll, so He cannot be omnipotent.
Gödel's Proof demonstrates that God cannot be omniscient.
So the apologists for God are just peddling another load of tommy-rot.
The only way out of the problem (for them) is to admit that God is NOT all-powerful AND/OR not all-knowing.
They could weasel out by claiming that, as making a stone bigger than He could move involves a contradiction to the concept of an all-powerful God, it is a reasonable limitation on the power of God that He cannot do something which involves a logical contradiction -- like making a square circle. Then they could claim that a world without suffering involves a logical contradiction.
That would be fine -- if they could explain what the logical contradiction is. Since they have never figured out such a thing, they should not be surprised if some of us distrust their simple-minded notions of deity.
In the spirit of philosophical brotherhood, I will suggest a way that might save their notions of God from logical inanity. I warn you that it involves considerable knowledge of some of the most subtle and advanced areas of modern mathematics. You had better think carefully about the work of Gregory Chaitin, for example.
Perhaps it is logically impossible to predict the optimal history of an infinite universe a priori -- it would require an Infinite Mind greater than the infinity of all the orders of mathematical infinity.
So we may all play out our lives over and over in the Mind of God -- with some changes each time -- so that He may ultimately form an asymptotic approximation to the Optimum Universal History.
God need not thank me for my help -- I'm always willing to give a hand to a Deity who tries to make an honest effort.
In terms of pain and suffering. If your parents had kept you all safe and warm, never let you out, never allowed you to skin your knee or bump your head, would they have been doing you a favor? If this life is merely a stepping stone in the existence of an eternal soul, then what could some discomfort in this life mean in the grand scheme? How can one, for example, come to understand the suffering of others and develop empathy if they have never suffered themselves?
You are being illogical. I criticized a commonly held view of God, and you are now saying that I hold that view of God!! · ·I have no idea if there is a God, but it does seem to me your approach is rather silly. If there is no God, why bother? If there is, do you really think it so limited?
I am sure an infinitely powerful and all-knowing God could figure out a way to do it.You have a very specifically limited view of God. That is interesting given the utter lack of any information upon which to base that view.Religious madmen always have some silly reason why a Good God would allow pain and suffering. A standard ploy is that God permits it in order that humans may have free-will. But a Good God who was also omnipotent AND all-knowing obviously could create a world free of suffering AND in which humans could have free will (presuming that free will is actually something worth having).
So the apologists for God are just peddling another load of tommy-rot.
The only way out of the problem (for them) is to admit that God is NOT all-powerful AND/OR not all-knowing.
They could weasel out by claiming that, as making a stone bigger than He could move involves a contradiction to the concept of an all-powerful God, it is a reasonable limitation on the power of God that He cannot do something which involves a logical contradiction -- like making a square circle. Then they could claim that a world without suffering involves a logical contradiction.
That would be fine -- if they could explain what the logical contradiction is. Since they have never figured out such a thing, they should not be surprised if some of us distrust their simple-minded notions of deity.
In the spirit of philosophical brotherhood, I will suggest a way that might save their notions of God from logical inanity. I warn you that it involves considerable knowledge of some of the most subtle and advanced areas of modern mathematics. You had better think carefully about the work of Gregory Chaitin, for example.
Perhaps it is logically impossible to predict the optimal history of an infinite universe a priori -- it would require an Infinite Mind greater than the infinity of all the orders of mathematical infinity.
So we may all play out our lives over and over in the Mind of God -- with some changes each time -- so that He may ultimately form an asymptotic approximation to the Optimum Universal History.
God need not thank me for my help -- I'm always willing to give a hand to a Deity who tries to make an honest effort.
In terms of pain and suffering. If your parents had kept you all safe and warm, never let you out, never allowed you to skin your knee or bump your head, would they have been doing you a favor? If this life is merely a stepping stone in the existence of an eternal soul, then what could some discomfort in this life mean in the grand scheme? How can one, for example, come to understand the suffering of others and develop empathy if they have never suffered themselves?
You are being illogical. I criticized a commonly held view of God, and you are now saying that I hold that view of God!! · ·I have no idea if there is a God, but it does seem to me your approach is rather silly. If there is no God, why bother? If there is, do you really think it so limited?
In fact, I have no view of God. I think the word "God" is a meaningless word representing the mental incoherence of common folk, which they use to save themselves the trouble of thinking deeply about fundamental questions.
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Humans have no trouble keeping themselves stupid and compliant.I know this sounds crazy but I'm beginning to wonder if "God" is something perpetuated by aliens to keep the human race stupid and compliant. What better way to control us than have us control ourselves. Or... most humans are just weak minded retards.
Lets see what truth can be found first. Lets face it. As highly evolved, rational, and intelligent modern humans like to think of themselves here we are 5000 years later still trying with great difficulty to understand the identity of a talking snake in a fairy tale written for the children of who some people like to deride as ignorant superstitious nomads.
One truth beyond any truth found in fairy tales is that reality is much stranger.
Odd that the such highly evolved would start going backwards. Some scientists say we are devolving now. If that is the case, do you think at some point man will become a monkey again? Or is that just a monkey myth, and could never happen because a man could never turn into a monkey.
"Our Saviour. Two thieves. One is supposed to have been saved and the other (he searches for the contrary of saved) damned."
"Saved from what?"
"We are all born mad. Some remain so."
- Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
It is your myth that a snake was talking to Eve.
According to scripture, she was seduced by a very charming, intelligent, convincing individual.
Snake is what he became.
No he was a serpent from the beginning, a religious deceiver, perceived as illuminated or holy or semi divine. What he became was a pusilanimous low life.
Nothing much is changed. religious deceivers are still percieved as holy men or prophets of God, yet like serpents they are always on the prowl for the gullible and unaware...
Thats why Jesus prayed "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
He was praying for the day when religious deceivers, actors and lying frauds would no longer be able to deceive people into thinking they were pious holy men and would be percived as the pusilanimous low lifes that God condemned them as..
I am sure an infinitely powerful and all-knowing God could figure out a way to do it.You have a very specifically limited view of God. That is interesting given the utter lack of any information upon which to base that view.Religious madmen always have some silly reason why a Good God would allow pain and suffering. A standard ploy is that God permits it in order that humans may have free-will. But a Good God who was also omnipotent AND all-knowing obviously could create a world free of suffering AND in which humans could have free will (presuming that free will is actually something worth having).
So the apologists for God are just peddling another load of tommy-rot.
The only way out of the problem (for them) is to admit that God is NOT all-powerful AND/OR not all-knowing.
They could weasel out by claiming that, as making a stone bigger than He could move involves a contradiction to the concept of an all-powerful God, it is a reasonable limitation on the power of God that He cannot do something which involves a logical contradiction -- like making a square circle. Then they could claim that a world without suffering involves a logical contradiction.
That would be fine -- if they could explain what the logical contradiction is. Since they have never figured out such a thing, they should not be surprised if some of us distrust their simple-minded notions of deity.
In the spirit of philosophical brotherhood, I will suggest a way that might save their notions of God from logical inanity. I warn you that it involves considerable knowledge of some of the most subtle and advanced areas of modern mathematics. You had better think carefully about the work of Gregory Chaitin, for example.
Perhaps it is logically impossible to predict the optimal history of an infinite universe a priori -- it would require an Infinite Mind greater than the infinity of all the orders of mathematical infinity.
So we may all play out our lives over and over in the Mind of God -- with some changes each time -- so that He may ultimately form an asymptotic approximation to the Optimum Universal History.
God need not thank me for my help -- I'm always willing to give a hand to a Deity who tries to make an honest effort.
In terms of pain and suffering. If your parents had kept you all safe and warm, never let you out, never allowed you to skin your knee or bump your head, would they have been doing you a favor? If this life is merely a stepping stone in the existence of an eternal soul, then what could some discomfort in this life mean in the grand scheme? How can one, for example, come to understand the suffering of others and develop empathy if they have never suffered themselves?
You are being illogical. I criticized a commonly held view of God, and you are now saying that I hold that view of God!! · ·I have no idea if there is a God, but it does seem to me your approach is rather silly. If there is no God, why bother? If there is, do you really think it so limited?
In fact, I have no view of God. I think the word "God" is a meaningless word representing the mental incoherence of common folk, which they use to save themselves the trouble of thinking deeply about fundamental questions.
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If he was a serpent from the beginning, it would have been redundant of God to turn him into one, again. He was, from the beginning a music director, charming, intelligent, and held in high regard, until pride took him down
I have long suspected that the Universe has a strong sense of irony.
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such as death,
whereas the attainable Everlasting exists for those simply willing to reach its presence.
There's an attainable "everlasting"-ness to death, I suppose. Doesn't sound like much consolation for a conscious mind purposed for survival, however (No). Granted, accepting oblivion might minimize a sense of pain and struggle as we face death, but - to quote "The Princess Bride" - "Life IS pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something".
What is it with you? that you keep posting the same thing over and over?BLAH, BLAH, BLAH..........
If he was a serpent from the beginning, it would have been redundant of God to turn him into one, again. He was, from the beginning a music director, charming, intelligent, and held in high regard, until pride took him down
Genesis 3; "The serpent was more crafty than any wild creatures that God had made."
According to scripture, the serpent was a serpent from its creation. Its condemnation as a low life came later specifically for misleading the gullible to disregard the commands of God.
Discussing anything else in scripture with you is pointless if you are not in agreement with that.
Do you believe that Jesus abolished divine law???
Ezekiel 28:12-14
"You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones......
I find it curious that in this discussion and most of the ones like it I have seen, non-believers in the traditional Christian God go to considerable lengths to define the type of deity they do not believe in. Apparent believers in such a God (usually identified by their Biblical quotations) act as if a definition of God is not only apparent, but has been agreed upon by everyone. Since this is an obvious counter factual, they simply keep talking past the points raised. In time the first group realizes the entire discussion is futile and go away. To the believers, these discussions are simply a form of intellectual masturbation; achieving nothing but engendering a feeling of satisfaction.
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What is it with you? that you keep posting the same thing over and over?BLAH, BLAH, BLAH..........
Are you a recording machine? A human would have something new to say.
"Seven days without prayer makes you weak"
It would seem, from your example, that seven days with prayer makes your mind weak !!
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Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, says the Lord God, That I will make the sun go down, (proof He controls what He created) at noon, (because He is not vague) and I will darken the earth in broad daylight.
