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‘Cheap manufacturing be damned’: Sentiment builds for moving U.S. companies out of China

I'm 100% for it. Regardless we have to continue exports to maintain our status as world power, otherwise we'd give that status to China. If countries were to become isolated, then yes, no country would complete with the USA, we'd be set.

I think we should also end foreigners owning U.S. real estate. That said millennial's already screwed the pooch on that one. Many figured they were above property ownership. They didn't take into account they'll be paying the Chinese rent in the form of 5Kish by their 60th B-days.
Isolated countries fail economically.


To be fair, there has never been an isolated country on a scale of the US.

AND, as we seen to be destined to be fucked by any trading partner, isolation could be a competitive policy.


THe choice seems to be either be the world's bitch, or take our ball and go home.
How do you mean? The USSR failed miserably. Pretty big country.


Failed because they tried to have a big empire AND we fought them.

Not because they were isolated.
Being isolated is bad for capitalism. Very bad .


Being the world's bitch on trade, hasn't been that great either.

If only there was a third option. But there does not seem to be one.
We have the biggest economy in the world with the most wealth and we’ve had super low unemployment. Seems to be fine.


No, we're not. Our middle class wages have stagnated and our middle class and lower class have lost faith in the future.

People are dying from this shit. To the point that our life expectancy is actually FALLING.


Good macro economic numbers have been hiding generations of pain.


Try to change policy.
That is an internal problem . We have the wealth and jobs. That wouldn’t change if we were isolated.


It is not an internal problem. It is a problem caused by external trade and the inflow of labor.


Time to change policy.
What do you base that on. Again, tons of wealth and jobs. That’s the formula for good wages. If we had too much inflow we’d have high unemployment and certainly wouldn’t have labor shortages. Your claim is baseless. Learn some economics.
 
What's interesting is U.S. isolation would probably lend itself to higher wages, less junk you don't need, more discipline, a rise in work ethic and unity.

PROGS would hate it.
Wages would be stagnant for the same reasons they are now, but everything would cost more. Would be a huge paycut,
 
I'm 100% for it. Regardless we have to continue exports to maintain our status as world power, otherwise we'd give that status to China. If countries were to become isolated, then yes, no country would complete with the USA, we'd be set.

I think we should also end foreigners owning U.S. real estate. That said millennial's already screwed the pooch on that one. Many figured they were above property ownership. They didn't take into account they'll be paying the Chinese rent in the form of 5Kish by their 60th B-days.
Isolated countries fail economically.







Only if they lack the resources to provide for themselves. The US is one of the very few countries that is or can be , self sufficient.
No economist would agree with you.






The history books are filled with failed economic theory. And the fools who wrote them.
How often you guys need to be wrong? Trump tariffs have hurt. Tax cuts didn’t pay for themselves. Now we need to isolate. The stupid ideas are many with you guys.








How stupid do you have to be to listen to Chinese propaganda, and believe it. The facts are the tariffs are hurting them, not us.

You have to wilfully stupid to believe otherwise.
 
I'm 100% for it. Regardless we have to continue exports to maintain our status as world power, otherwise we'd give that status to China. If countries were to become isolated, then yes, no country would complete with the USA, we'd be set.

I think we should also end foreigners owning U.S. real estate. That said millennial's already screwed the pooch on that one. Many figured they were above property ownership. They didn't take into account they'll be paying the Chinese rent in the form of 5Kish by their 60th B-days.
Isolated countries fail economically.







Only if they lack the resources to provide for themselves. The US is one of the very few countries that is or can be , self sufficient.
No economist would agree with you.






The history books are filled with failed economic theory. And the fools who wrote them.
How often you guys need to be wrong? Trump tariffs have hurt. Tax cuts didn’t pay for themselves. Now we need to isolate. The stupid ideas are many with you guys.








How stupid do you have to be to listen to Chinese propaganda, and believe it. The facts are the tariffs are hurting them, not us.

You have to wilfully stupid to believe otherwise.
You don’t know facts obviously.

 
The only way to do that is with taxes. Impose massive taxes on those who move to make it too expensive to be overseas.

Only then will we see manufacturing return to America.

Massive government interference in the markets! That's what America needs! Yeah! And big taxes on the rich!



That's what made America a super power.

If you look back into the 20th century, you will see high taxes on high wages, salaries, unearned income and big business. America became a super power in those years.

People became very wealthy and a large middle class was created.

Our jobs stayed right here in America.

reagan reversed it all. Just as soon as those taxes were slashed, our jobs started going to Japan. Taxes and regulations have been slashed since then. Jobs continue to leave.

Go back to what actually worked. Not what has put us in this mess in the first place.

Business is only going to do what they can get away with to make the maximum profits. Whether it's legal, ethical or right or not. They have shown they don't give a damn about America. We've spoiled business to the point that we have bailed their butts out over and over and over again in my lifetime. Weird, usually it's republicans doing it and democrats cleaning up the mess.

Do yourself a favor, do some reading about the economic history of our nation. I took a course in it when I was in college. It was very interesting. Nearly every time conservative economics is implemented, it destroyed our economy.
 
I'm 100% for it. Regardless we have to continue exports to maintain our status as world power, otherwise we'd give that status to China. If countries were to become isolated, then yes, no country would complete with the USA, we'd be set.

I think we should also end foreigners owning U.S. real estate. That said millennial's already screwed the pooch on that one. Many figured they were above property ownership. They didn't take into account they'll be paying the Chinese rent in the form of 5Kish by their 60th B-days.
Isolated countries fail economically.







Only if they lack the resources to provide for themselves. The US is one of the very few countries that is or can be , self sufficient.
No economist would agree with you.
Who cares........It is against our Interests to depend on China.......for Pharma especially.......this has proven that............

The only things they have us for is Precious metals.........and mainly RARE EARTH ..........

Other than that we can produce anything we want..........gonna cost more......but it's in our NATIONAL INTEREST TO DO IT.

Now the BRAIN can go back to bending over with no vasoline to China again.......LOL
 
and cheap labor from anywhere too

showing that, once again, Trump was correct

we need to make our own stuff and never be reliant on ANY other country for the things we need

that includes oil from the ME as well

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American companies that produce essential goods in China should plan to shift their operations back to the United States or other Western countries, according to a senior Republican lawmaker.

“We're staring into a significant, significant crisis of supply chain,” Colorado Sen. Cory Gardner told the Washington Examiner. “Cheap labor or cheap manufacturing be damned if you are reliant on them for your life and livelihood.”

Gardner’s warning was spurred by the shortage of hospital masks in the United States, a dearth driven by Beijing’s refusal to allow American companies that make the products in China to ship them out of the country amid the coronavirus pandemic. And he’s not alone in that sentiment, raising the possibility that anger over China’s self-interested response to the coronavirus outbreak could produce one of the most dramatic alterations of global economics in decades.

“Because of the coronavirus problem, people are recognizing that any supply chain that has single points of failure is incredibly vulnerable,” the Heritage Foundation’s Dean Cheng, a senior research fellow in the organization’s Asian Studies Center, told the Washington Examiner. “China is going to be very concerned about decoupling, offshoring, [or any] redirection of investments out of China.”
You bet your ass we should. U-S-A...U-S-A!
 
More and more it is becoming clear the right doesn’t understand economics....
 
More and more it is becoming clear the right doesn’t understand economics....
More and more..........we don't give a damn about the Globalist........nor giving the advantage to a future enemy........China isn't our friend.
China is doomed. They doomed themselves with pollution and the one child policy. Plus they will be replaced as the cheapest producer. Stop worrying about China.
 
I'm 100% for it. Regardless we have to continue exports to maintain our status as world power, otherwise we'd give that status to China. If countries were to become isolated, then yes, no country would complete with the USA, we'd be set.

I think we should also end foreigners owning U.S. real estate. That said millennial's already screwed the pooch on that one. Many figured they were above property ownership. They didn't take into account they'll be paying the Chinese rent in the form of 5Kish by their 60th B-days.
Isolated countries fail economically.


To be fair, there has never been an isolated country on a scale of the US.

AND, as we seen to be destined to be fucked by any trading partner, isolation could be a competitive policy.


THe choice seems to be either be the world's bitch, or take our ball and go home.
How do you mean? The USSR failed miserably. Pretty big country.


Failed because they tried to have a big empire AND we fought them.

Not because they were isolated.
Being isolated is bad for capitalism. Very bad .


Being the world's bitch on trade, hasn't been that great either.

If only there was a third option. But there does not seem to be one.
We have the biggest economy in the world with the most wealth and we’ve had super low unemployment. Seems to be fine.


No, we're not. Our middle class wages have stagnated and our middle class and lower class have lost faith in the future.

People are dying from this shit. To the point that our life expectancy is actually FALLING.


Good macro economic numbers have been hiding generations of pain.


Try to change policy.
That is an internal problem . We have the wealth and jobs. That wouldn’t change if we were isolated.


It is not an internal problem. It is a problem caused by external trade and the inflow of labor.


Time to change policy.
What do you base that on. Again, tons of wealth and jobs. That’s the formula for good wages. If we had too much inflow we’d have high unemployment and certainly wouldn’t have labor shortages. Your claim is baseless. Learn some economics.



Because we have NOT had rising wages for the middle class and working poor.

If it is the formula for "good wages" something went wrong.
 
More and more it is becoming clear the right doesn’t understand economics....
More and more..........we don't give a damn about the Globalist........nor giving the advantage to a future enemy........China isn't our friend.
China is doomed. They doomed themselves with pollution and the one child policy. Plus they will be replaced as the cheapest producer. Stop worrying about China.
They have stole military tech and are becoming a threat in that aspect........because of their manufacturing............in regards to pollution..........yeah.........THEY ARE SCREWED....not to mention the water problems up North........

Water there is TOXIC........I've read up on some of that.
 
The people who want to move Chinese manufacturing back to America are not businessmen. Real businessmen (at least the smart ones) want those jobs to stay in China.
 
Smart? Or short sighted?
Moving those jobs to China was a good thing, it helped us in our fight against greedy unions.


The idea of that was that with the unions broken, that American manufacturing would become competitive again.


THat did not happen. The Trade Deficit keeps rising, setting new records almost ever new year.


If a policy does not produced the results that was the goal, it is time to change the policy. Past time.
 
I'm 100% for it. Regardless we have to continue exports to maintain our status as world power, otherwise we'd give that status to China. If countries were to become isolated, then yes, no country would complete with the USA, we'd be set.

I think we should also end foreigners owning U.S. real estate. That said millennial's already screwed the pooch on that one. Many figured they were above property ownership. They didn't take into account they'll be paying the Chinese rent in the form of 5Kish by their 60th B-days.
Isolated countries fail economically.


To be fair, there has never been an isolated country on a scale of the US.

AND, as we seen to be destined to be fucked by any trading partner, isolation could be a competitive policy.


THe choice seems to be either be the world's bitch, or take our ball and go home.
How do you mean? The USSR failed miserably. Pretty big country.


Failed because they tried to have a big empire AND we fought them.

Not because they were isolated.
Being isolated is bad for capitalism. Very bad .


Being the world's bitch on trade, hasn't been that great either.

If only there was a third option. But there does not seem to be one.
We have the biggest economy in the world with the most wealth and we’ve had super low unemployment. Seems to be fine.


No, we're not. Our middle class wages have stagnated and our middle class and lower class have lost faith in the future.

People are dying from this shit. To the point that our life expectancy is actually FALLING.


Good macro economic numbers have been hiding generations of pain.


Try to change policy.
That is an internal problem . We have the wealth and jobs. That wouldn’t change if we were isolated.


It is not an internal problem. It is a problem caused by external trade and the inflow of labor.


Time to change policy.
What do you base that on. Again, tons of wealth and jobs. That’s the formula for good wages. If we had too much inflow we’d have high unemployment and certainly wouldn’t have labor shortages. Your claim is baseless. Learn some economics.



Because we have NOT had rising wages for the middle class and working poor.

If it is the formula for "good wages" something went wrong.
Yes something is wrong. Has nothing to do with trade. We have near monopolies, wage collusion, government corruption... internal problems have hurt the market.
 

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