Cherry-picking examples of socialist governments failing does not prove the concept is flawed

[Billy000]

Human services
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WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

Not much of a difference except human service workers can be more easily manipulated...



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You have no idea what you are talking whatsoever.

Oh please.... I know exactly what I am talking about , thats why in one county alone in Mississippi 80% of the residents are on disability " for back pain"


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I seriously doubt that.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

Not much of a difference except human service workers can be more easily manipulated...



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You have no idea what you are talking whatsoever.

Oh please.... I know exactly what I am talking about , thats why in one county alone in Mississippi 80% of the residents are on disability " for back pain"


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I seriously doubt that.

Who cares what you doubt.

You are a left winger.

People on both sides laugh at you.

 

[Kondor3]

[ ...I am not even going to read your post Billy-E Baloney...…….show us a successful socialist country-)

Correction... show us a successful socialist country that doesn't rely upon stronger allies for the lion's share of its effective defense.

 

[Tehon]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

The problem with you socialist cheerleaders, You want to force that shit on everybody you disagree with knowing that it will not benefit those that do not want it...

It's called democracy. Is that a problem for you?

 

[Tehon]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse.

We don't have capitalism. We haven't had capitalism since the first decade of the 1900s.

What we have is economic interventionism. We have a planned economy, we have a welfare state, we have inflationism, we have central economic planning by a central bank, we have a belief in deficit financing. Our monetary policy is so far removed from capitalism that it's laughable to call it capitalism.

But....but...we get people like you, respectfully speaking, who come along and try to capitalize on it and say oh, we know it, capitalism is so bad, what we need is socialism. Ha.

But we don't have capitalism. What we have is already rather socialist. It's no wonder we have the highest amount of debt out of any country in the entire world.

We don't have capitalism.

I disagree with that statement, but regardless what you think we have, it is the product of the capitalist system of production. Which we absolutely have and which dominates our political arena.

 

[Rustic]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

The problem with you socialist cheerleaders, You want to force that shit on everybody you disagree with knowing that it will not benefit those that do not want it...

It's called democracy. Is that a problem for you?

The collective does not benefit anyone whatsoever that want nothing to do with it

 

[Tehon]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

The problem with you socialist cheerleaders, You want to force that shit on everybody you disagree with knowing that it will not benefit those that do not want it...

It's called democracy. Is that a problem for you?

The collective does not benefit anyone whatsoever that want nothing to do with it

I agree, but it's called democracy. It's a founding principle of this country. It's a good thing, don't cry about it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I am amazed that people living in America openly support the failed idiology of socialism.

For socialism to work, human nature must be suppressed. That is impossible.

We have clear examples all the way back to Plymoth and William Bradford.

Humans are :

• Lazy
• Envious
• Vain
• Greedy
• Jealous
• Spiteful
• Fearful
• Hateful
• Etc

The naive socialist believes government can suppress that nature.

The capitalist harnesses that nature and puts it to use.

Socialism will always fail because it sucks and is stupid.

The OP needs to get the fuck out and go live where socialism works (wherever that is).

 

[dannyboys]

WOW, that explains a lot..









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Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

Not much of a difference except human service workers can be more easily manipulated...



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You have no idea what you are talking whatsoever.

Oh please.... I know exactly what I am talking about , thats why in one county alone in Mississippi 80% of the residents are on disability " for back pain"


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I seriously doubt that.

You're an idiot!

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

/——/ If socialized countries had to pay for their own defense 100% then they would have to roll back the socialist giveaways. You can’t have both.

tax cuts for the Rich and cuts to social services for the poor?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Do you not know the difference between HR and human services? Wow.

Not much of a difference except human service workers can be more easily manipulated...



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You have no idea what you are talking whatsoever.

Oh please.... I know exactly what I am talking about , thats why in one county alone in Mississippi 80% of the residents are on disability " for back pain"


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I seriously doubt that.

You're an idiot!

About time we agree on something, yea Billy is a manipulated idiot social worker..




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[danielpalos]

I am amazed that people living in America openly support the failed idiology of socialism.

For socialism to work, human nature must be suppressed. That is impossible.

We have clear examples all the way back to Plymoth and William Bradford.

Humans are :

• Lazy
• Envious
• Vain
• Greedy
• Jealous
• Spiteful
• Fearful
• Hateful
• Etc

The naive socialist believes government can suppress that nature.

The capitalist harnesses that nature and puts it to use.

Socialism will always fail because it sucks and is stupid.

The OP needs to get the fuck out and go live where socialism works (wherever that is).

You can't show any economy that is capitalist. Capitalism is Third World. All First World economies are Socialist and have Mixed Market economies, to Prove it.

The right wing simply has no clue of economics.

 

[Indeependent]

I am amazed that people living in America openly support the failed idiology of socialism.

For socialism to work, human nature must be suppressed. That is impossible.

We have clear examples all the way back to Plymoth and William Bradford.

Humans are :

• Lazy
• Envious
• Vain
• Greedy
• Jealous
• Spiteful
• Fearful
• Hateful
• Etc

The naive socialist believes government can suppress that nature.

The capitalist harnesses that nature and puts it to use.

Socialism will always fail because it sucks and is stupid.

The OP needs to get the fuck out and go live where socialism works (wherever that is).

You can't show any economy that is capitalist. Capitalism is Third World. All First World economies are Socialist and have Mixed Market economies, to Prove it.

The right wing simply has no clue of economics.

You mean nations where Drug Lords take charge?
There is no such thing as an unregulated nation, even if some of that regulation is deleterious to much of the population.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

/——/ If socialized countries had to pay for their own defense 100% then they would have to roll back the socialist giveaways. You can’t have both.

tax cuts for the Rich and cuts to social services for the poor?

/----/ As the poor get back to work with the Trump economy, the social services budgets can be cut with no harm to anyone.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Nordic countries are SOCIAL democratic countries.

Very good.

Now learn the difference between social democracy and democratic socialism and you will understand why everyone thinks you're a pinhead.

Yes there is a difference depending on the source. Some sources say they are interchangeable terms. I’ve already defined socialism. Now it’s your turn. What is the difference between the two? Put it in your own words.

The difference is simple to explain and the terms are not interchangeable.

Social democracy is an attempt to create a more equitable society via government redistribution schemes. It tries to soften the inequality of capitalism, it does not seek to abolish the capitalist system of production.

Democratic socialism seeks to abolish the capitalist system of production. It's just that simple.

Yeah you’re right on both definitions. Part of the reason why American social democrats use “democratic socialism” is because “social democrat” sounds like you are referring to the Democratic Party. But okay, yes, i advocate for social democratic principles and not democratic socialism.

They use terms like Democrat Socialism to try and hide the term Socialism. It's like when they changed from liberal to progressives. It's the same thing, it's just that progressive sounds more like they're going forwards.

Obama ran on transforming America, and socialism is what he was talking about. But that begs the question: if you want to transform something, doesn't it mean you don't like the way it is? I mean, if you got married to a short chubby woman and wanted to transform her, you would have her wear high heels all the time, go on a strict diet, wear perfume she would otherwise not wear. In other words, you don't love the woman at all if you want to change everything about her. You should have went to a tall thin woman to marry.

The left doesn't love this country, otherwise they wouldn't be telling us how other places are so great. What I don't understand is why you want to stay here and try to change it. You'd be better off finding that slender tall woman.

/----/ Liberalism/Progressiveism in a word:

 

[danielpalos]

I am amazed that people living in America openly support the failed idiology of socialism.

For socialism to work, human nature must be suppressed. That is impossible.

We have clear examples all the way back to Plymoth and William Bradford.

Humans are :

• Lazy
• Envious
• Vain
• Greedy
• Jealous
• Spiteful
• Fearful
• Hateful
• Etc

The naive socialist believes government can suppress that nature.

The capitalist harnesses that nature and puts it to use.

Socialism will always fail because it sucks and is stupid.

The OP needs to get the fuck out and go live where socialism works (wherever that is).

You can't show any economy that is capitalist. Capitalism is Third World. All First World economies are Socialist and have Mixed Market economies, to Prove it.

The right wing simply has no clue of economics.

You mean nations where Drug Lords take charge?
There is no such thing as an unregulated nation, even if some of that regulation is deleterious to much of the population.

under True Capitalism, capital matters not morals or morality.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[Indeependent]

I am amazed that people living in America openly support the failed idiology of socialism.

For socialism to work, human nature must be suppressed. That is impossible.

We have clear examples all the way back to Plymoth and William Bradford.

Humans are :

• Lazy
• Envious
• Vain
• Greedy
• Jealous
• Spiteful
• Fearful
• Hateful
• Etc

The naive socialist believes government can suppress that nature.

The capitalist harnesses that nature and puts it to use.

Socialism will always fail because it sucks and is stupid.

The OP needs to get the fuck out and go live where socialism works (wherever that is).

You can't show any economy that is capitalist. Capitalism is Third World. All First World economies are Socialist and have Mixed Market economies, to Prove it.

The right wing simply has no clue of economics.

You mean nations where Drug Lords take charge?
There is no such thing as an unregulated nation, even if some of that regulation is deleterious to much of the population.

under True Capitalism, capital matters not morals or morality.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

I agree.
Now list for us nations that are 100% Capitalist.
Every nation has it’s problems.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism’s greatest inherent flaw is that as decades pass, widening income disparity will inevitably get worse. The rich become richer, and the poor become more poor. The middle class shrinks. The only way to prevent this is with government intervention, i.e. socialism. Capitalism of course isn’t a failure - the US would not be the juggernaut it is now if it weren’t for a private market. However, that does not mean the quality of life for most won’t get worse over time.

Socialism is a very broad term. To simplify the definition, it is a concept that involves the people funding (tax revenue) and owning (utilizing) government services. This is why every nation on earth - including the US - has a socialist backbone. Any service the government provides that’s funded by tax revenue and is utilized by the people is socialism.

The definition of socialism has nothing to do with corrupt leadership in a given government. Venezuela is failing because of the country’s leadership. Socialism’s core definition has nothing to do with a dictatorship government.

Nordic countries are social democratic countries. This means more services apply the the well being of the population. These people have the best quality of life according to international polling. That is something that is diminishing in America. However, that doesn’t mean the concept is the antithesis of capitalism. Socialism can be the framework of a capitalist system. Socialism is just needed to make sure a capitalistic system provides benefit to the well being of the population as a whole.

/——/ If socialized countries had to pay for their own defense 100% then they would have to roll back the socialist giveaways. You can’t have both.

tax cuts for the Rich and cuts to social services for the poor?

/----/ As the poor get back to work with the Trump economy, the social services budgets can be cut with no harm to anyone.
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we are near full employment, now.

and, with our economy doing so well, we should have No Problems with the rest of the world.

 

[danielpalos]

I am amazed that people living in America openly support the failed idiology of socialism.

For socialism to work, human nature must be suppressed. That is impossible.

We have clear examples all the way back to Plymoth and William Bradford.

Humans are :

• Lazy
• Envious
• Vain
• Greedy
• Jealous
• Spiteful
• Fearful
• Hateful
• Etc

The naive socialist believes government can suppress that nature.

The capitalist harnesses that nature and puts it to use.

Socialism will always fail because it sucks and is stupid.

The OP needs to get the fuck out and go live where socialism works (wherever that is).

You can't show any economy that is capitalist. Capitalism is Third World. All First World economies are Socialist and have Mixed Market economies, to Prove it.

The right wing simply has no clue of economics.

You mean nations where Drug Lords take charge?
There is no such thing as an unregulated nation, even if some of that regulation is deleterious to much of the population.

under True Capitalism, capital matters not morals or morality.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

I agree.
Now list for us nations that are 100% Capitalist.
Every nation has it’s problems.

The right wing complains about socialism. They Are the Problem, not socialism. Socialism merely requires social morals for free not capital morals for a market friendly price.

 

[Indeependent]

I am amazed that people living in America openly support the failed idiology of socialism.

For socialism to work, human nature must be suppressed. That is impossible.

We have clear examples all the way back to Plymoth and William Bradford.

Humans are :

• Lazy
• Envious
• Vain
• Greedy
• Jealous
• Spiteful
• Fearful
• Hateful
• Etc

The naive socialist believes government can suppress that nature.

The capitalist harnesses that nature and puts it to use.

Socialism will always fail because it sucks and is stupid.

The OP needs to get the fuck out and go live where socialism works (wherever that is).

You can't show any economy that is capitalist. Capitalism is Third World. All First World economies are Socialist and have Mixed Market economies, to Prove it.

The right wing simply has no clue of economics.

You mean nations where Drug Lords take charge?
There is no such thing as an unregulated nation, even if some of that regulation is deleterious to much of the population.

under True Capitalism, capital matters not morals or morality.

Only the right wing, never gets it.

I agree.
Now list for us nations that are 100% Capitalist.
Every nation has it’s problems.

The right wing complains about socialism. They Are the Problem, not socialism. Socialism merely requires social morals for free not capital morals for a market friendly price.

You have become a pin ball machine in tilt mode.
The Left Wing is bat shit crazy and I’ve never been yelled at by a Right Winger; they just walk away.