Chicago has 140 percent inc in murder

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

Since you have no idea what you are talking about, I'll explain it.......the democrat party in chicago has incredibly close ties to the street gangs in the city....they work for the democrat aldermen for their elections and give them manpower to stay in office......those aldermen then protect the gangs and other criminals from the police...in normal times....

Also, the democrat party as a whole releases violent, repeat gun offenders from jail, as the democrat party judges let them out on bail....and now without bail, and gives them light sentences after the democrat party prosecutors plea bargain down their most violent and gun offenses....

Then, because of the democrat party and their ACLU allies, they have hamstrung the police...each time an officer has any contact with citizens...they have to fill out 2 legal sized sheets of paper on the encounter.....taking them off the street to do it.....they also moved more police to the North shore to protect rich democrat party members, while stripping precincts on the south and west sides...

That is why Chicago has more gun murder......

3-2-1-..........

 

[daveman]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Then you have to answer the question....why isn't Indiana as bad as Chicago? Why isn't Houston as bad as Chicago...

It isn't guns...it is the policies of the democrat party when it comes to violent repeat offenders.

We just had a shooting......a career, violent criminal was paroled on a 5 year sentence for armed robbery.....after 2.5 years.....got and illegal gun, since he is a felon and can't buy, own or carry a gun, and shot 3 police officers.

If he had been given 30 years for the armed robbery, he would still be in prison, not shooting police officers.

Stop deflecting. Just answer the question. You are the one that always makes the point that these Democrat run cities are overrun by gun violence and murders while being supposedly gun free zones.
Even your example of this guy shooting 3 cops with an illegal gun..so ask the question...Where..did..he..get..the..gun?? Where do they come from? How do they make their way into cities?

Illegally.

Dumbass.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

doesn't seem like the relevant question to me.

It's one of the most relevant questions. How do the guns get into the city for people to use in crimes?
Chicago is a gun free zone by law...so? Explain.

Chicago is a gun free zone by law...so?

It's not.

McDonald v. City of Chicago - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[daveman]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

I answered the question. That you don't like it is a "you" problem.

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

doesn't seem like the relevant question to me.

It's one of the most relevant questions. How do the guns get into the city for people to use in crimes?
Chicago is a gun free zone by law...so? Explain.

It isn't a gun free zone, in fact, they now have concealed carry....but almost all of the shooters are already felons who can't buy, own or carry guns....

Please explain this particular point...

Houston....gun stores on every corner, people can easily carry guns, in a state that borders the Narco state of Mexico......

Chicago... no gun stores allowed, no gun ranges......has more gun murder than Houston......

How do you explain the difference...if it is access to guns..since Houston and Dallas have easier access to guns......

Also...California borders Arizona and Nevada.......where guns are just as easy to get...doesn't have the same gun murder problem as Chicago...

New York....borders Pennsylvania, and easy drive to Vermont....doesn't have the same gun murder number as chicago..

How do you explain that...

I'll give you 3-2-1.......

Dude, as I've told you in the past, this has been researched up and down the ying-yang.
This is just a lazy man's search...c'mon.

Tracing the ways that illegal guns make it to Chicago's streets

All guns used in Chicago crimes start out as legal, but somewhere along the line, they end up in the hands of criminals.

www.fox32chicago.com

Then why is Houston with guns right in their city and surrounding the city less violent than Chicago......dude? Your explanation is just dumb.....dittos Indianapolis.....

The majority of guns are not from out of state, they come from inside the Illinois.......

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Joe Biden played his part on the war against drugs with his own bill

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

You didn't read your own link....

The fact is universal background checks would be useless....the only reason anti-gunners want them is to be able to demand universal gun registration and to put more, legal gun owners in legal peril if they don't pay the fees and jump through the new hoops...

“The direct evidence on effectiveness is limited,” said Duke University public policy expert Philip Cook,

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

You've been watching way too much TV. This isn't Chicago PD.

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

Wrong. Straw buyers sell their guns to criminals..jeez...facepalm. Again, stop with the deflections. This has been researched to the nth degree.

Chicago gun violence, drug cartel mayhem fueled by straw purchases

The I-Team is investigating a loophole linking recent high profile shootings: Criminals getting around gun safety laws by exploiting legal sales.

abc7chicago.com

 

[Correll]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

doesn't seem like the relevant question to me.

It's one of the most relevant questions. How do the guns get into the city for people to use in crimes?
Chicago is a gun free zone by law...so? Explain.

the people that want the guns, find a way. they then use them, for whatever they use them for.


the responsibility for that, is on the criminals.


the details for how they do it, i'm sure will vary from individual criminal to individual criminal.


but the fact remains, the real difference is not the guns. there are a lot of places with a lot of guns and not a lot of crime.


you want to focus on the guns, to AVOID the really relevant questions), like, why is that? or what can we do to stop it? or what should we do with people who choose to prey upon their fellow man, instead of trying to be a productive member of society?

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

You've been watching way too much TV. This isn't Chicago PD.

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

Wrong. Straw buyers sell their guns to criminals..jeez...facepalm. Again, stop with the deflections. This has been researched to the nth degree.

Chicago gun violence, drug cartel mayhem fueled by straw purchases

The I-Team is investigating a loophole linking recent high profile shootings: Criminals getting around gun safety laws by exploiting legal sales.

abc7chicago.com

Moron, the article on gangs and democrat politicians is Chicago Magazine...you twit.

You did not answer the question about Houston vs. Chicago and California and New York vs. Chicago...that is because you can't........it shows that your argument is dumb and doesn't hold up to basic logic....


Do you understand what a straw purchase is? It means that

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

You've been watching way too much TV. This isn't Chicago PD.

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

Wrong. Straw buyers sell their guns to criminals..jeez...facepalm. Again, stop with the deflections. This has been researched to the nth degree.

Chicago gun violence, drug cartel mayhem fueled by straw purchases

The I-Team is investigating a loophole linking recent high profile shootings: Criminals getting around gun safety laws by exploiting legal sales.

abc7chicago.com

Moron.....if you sell a gun to a known criminal it is already illegal....you can and will be arrested......

Why does Chicago have more gun murder than Houston or Dallas? Or L.A. or New York City?

Answer that question.

 

[Polishprince]

Mayor Lightfoot's Chicago Sees 139 Percent Increase in Murder

Mayor Lori Lightfoot's (D) Chicago witnessed a 139 percent increase in murder during July 2020 when compared to July 2019.

www.breitbart.com

They found this illiterate, ugly trash lady out of a “ garbage can” to run the city
Now Chicago is on par with brazil

I would hope that the murderers did their deed from at least 6 feet away, and didn't shoot them from point blank range. Either that , or use other socially distant methods like bow and arrow or torching their homes from the basement.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

You've been watching way too much TV. This isn't Chicago PD.

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

Wrong. Straw buyers sell their guns to criminals..jeez...facepalm. Again, stop with the deflections. This has been researched to the nth degree.

Chicago gun violence, drug cartel mayhem fueled by straw purchases

The I-Team is investigating a loophole linking recent high profile shootings: Criminals getting around gun safety laws by exploiting legal sales.

abc7chicago.com

Moron, the article on gangs and democrat politicians is Chicago Magazine...you twit.

You did not answer the question about Houston vs. Chicago and California and New York vs. Chicago...that is because you can't........it shows that your argument is dumb and doesn't hold up to basic logic....


Do you understand what a straw purchase is? It means that

NO..ONE..CARES about your deflection. Chicago, not Houston, or New York, or Rainbow Unicorns. Answer the f'ing question. Where do the F'ing guns come from?

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

You've been watching way too much TV. This isn't Chicago PD.

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

Wrong. Straw buyers sell their guns to criminals..jeez...facepalm. Again, stop with the deflections. This has been researched to the nth degree.

Chicago gun violence, drug cartel mayhem fueled by straw purchases

The I-Team is investigating a loophole linking recent high profile shootings: Criminals getting around gun safety laws by exploiting legal sales.

abc7chicago.com

Moron, the article on gangs and democrat politicians is Chicago Magazine...you twit.

You did not answer the question about Houston vs. Chicago and California and New York vs. Chicago...that is because you can't........it shows that your argument is dumb and doesn't hold up to basic logic....


Do you understand what a straw purchase is? It means that

NO..ONE..CARES about your deflection. Chicago, not Houston, or New York, or Rainbow Unicorns. Answer the f'ing question. Where do the F'ing guns come from?

Yes...got it......... by pointing out that Houston......where access to guns in nearly universal....gun stores on every corner, people carrying guns all over the place...in a state that borders the Narco State of Mexico.......it completely defeats youre entire discussion about Chicago and guns......since Chicago has extreme gun control....no gun stores in the city limits, no gun ranges in the city limits......

But Chicago has more gun murder than Houston, L.A. and New York city.......even though L.A. can get guns from Nevada, and Arizona, and New York city can get guns from Pennsylvania and Vermont.....

You want to hide from this now because you can't defend your point.

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

You've been watching way too much TV. This isn't Chicago PD.

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

Wrong. Straw buyers sell their guns to criminals..jeez...facepalm. Again, stop with the deflections. This has been researched to the nth degree.

Chicago gun violence, drug cartel mayhem fueled by straw purchases

The I-Team is investigating a loophole linking recent high profile shootings: Criminals getting around gun safety laws by exploiting legal sales.

abc7chicago.com

Moron, the article on gangs and democrat politicians is Chicago Magazine...you twit.

You did not answer the question about Houston vs. Chicago and California and New York vs. Chicago...that is because you can't........it shows that your argument is dumb and doesn't hold up to basic logic....


Do you understand what a straw purchase is? It means that

NO..ONE..CARES about your deflection. Chicago, not Houston, or New York, or Rainbow Unicorns. Answer the f'ing question. Where do the F'ing guns come from?

The majority of the guns come from gun stores in Illinois...purchased by straw buyers, likely friends and family of the gangs......for money or threat of violence....the guns from out of state come from straw buyers, again..

All of these straw buyers can pass any background check........they then break the law and sell to criminals..........they can already be arrested and jailed for selling guns to criminals...

The problem? prosecutors do not prosecute most straw buyers because they are, in fact, the baby mommas, sisters, mothers and grand mothers of the gang members...who are hard to go after because they simply say they were under duress when they bought the guns....

America Should Be Prosecuting Straw Purchasers, Not Gun Dealers | National Review

Wisconsin isn’t alone in its nonchalance. California normally treats straw purchases as misdemeanors or minor infractions. Even as the people of Baltimore suffer horrific levels of violence, Maryland classifies the crime as a misdemeanor, too. Straw buying is a felony in progressive Connecticut, albeit one in the second-least-serious order of felonies. It is classified as a serious crime in Illinois (Class 2 felony), but police rarely (meaning “almost never”) go after the nephews and girlfriends with clean records who provide Chicago’s diverse and sundry gangsters with their weapons. In Delaware, it’s a Class F felony, like forging a check. In Oregon, it’s a misdemeanor.

--------

I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive.


In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

 

[2aguy]

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

This is a large part of the reason.....the relationship that democrat party politicians have with the violent gangs in the city...

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity. The gang representatives were former chiefs who had walked away from day-to-day thug life, but they were still respected on the streets and wielded enough influence to mobilize active gang members.
The first meeting, according to Baskin, occurred in early November 2010, right before the statewide general election; more gatherings followed in the run-up to the February 2011 municipal elections. The venues included office buildings, restaurants, and law offices. (By all accounts, similar meetings took place across the city before last year’s elections and in elections past, including after hours at the Garfield Center, a taxpayer-financed facility on the West Side that is used by the city’s Department of Family and Support Services.)
At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”
-----------

Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).

• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: Who actually rules the neighborhoods—our public servants or the gangs?and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

gang territory and homicide sites..

Chicago Gang Territory vs 2011 Chicago Homicides

gangs and murder how many do they do....the stats..

Gangs and Politicians: How Gang Crime Stacks Up

crimes and who commits them in Indianapolis...

What is causing Indy's rise in homicides?

City council doesn't hire enough police in Indianapolis...and it also restates the 80% of criminals are repeat offenders...

Seeking explanations for 8 homicides in 15 hours

The City-County Council has authorized 1,740 officers for IMPD, Owensby said, and the current roster contains a few more than 1,500. The department had more than 1,700 officers about five years ago, he said.

"If we had 250 more officers on the street," Owensby said, "we could do wonderful things for crime reduction. The way things are now, if we don't do something soon, we will have to cut services."

An IMPD recruit class of 50 will graduate this year and another class of 50 will be hired next year. But an internal Public Safety Department review found that IMPD would need nearly 700 more officers to reach parity with other similar-sized cities.

Thomas Stucky, an associate professor of criminology at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, said he isn't sure adding cops would reduce homicides, because there are so many variables for the causes of murder. He said some cities have fewer officers per capita than Indianapolis and have a lower murder rate. Others have more cops and a higher murder rate.

"I don't know of any research that supports direct links between the two," Stucky said. "After all, the police are not gone, altogether. They're still there. Even if you've got 'X' number of officers and put them in somewhere, it is hard to measure the prevention of something."

"The important thing is what you do with the officers you have on the ground," Stucky said, "and I think IMPD has done a number of cutting-edge things."

You've been watching way too much TV. This isn't Chicago PD.

Well, I'll toss the grenade in this thread. Let's put aside the almost five decades of failure that is the War...On...Drugs!!

The relevant question is, If Chicago is a gun free city by law...where..do..the..guns..come..from???
Answer this, and maybe, just maybe, you'll be on the road to figuring out how to stop the carnage.

3..2..1..Go!....

Be careful. You're awfully close to realizing that criminals don't obey the law, and that will lead you places you don't want to go.

Which answers...nothing. Again. How do the guns make it into the city? Are you positing that they are made right there in basements in Chicago?
How do they get there if Chicago is a gun free zone by law?

I GAVE you the answer...and you refuse to see it.

You didn't answer the question. You just said "criminals gonna be criminals".

You didn't answer the question.....

Here ...

The Chicago Gun Myth | National Review

Lightfoot claims that 60 percent of the guns used in Chicago murders are bought from out of state. I assume she is relying on 2017’s suspect “gun trace report,” which looked at guns confiscated in criminal acts from 2013 and 2016. Even if we trusted the city’s data, most guns used in Illinois crimes are bought in-state. If gun laws in Illinois — which earns a grade of “A-“ from the pro-gun-control Gifford Law Center, tied for second highest in the country after New Jersey — are more effective than gun laws in Missouri, Wisconsin, or Indiana, why is it that FFL dealers in suburban Cook County are the origin point for a third of the crime guns recovered in Chicago, and home to “seven of the top ten source dealers”?

According to the trace study, 11.2 percent of all crime guns recovered in Chicago could be tracked to just two gun shops.


The only reason, it seems, criminals take the drive to Indiana is because local gun shops are tapped out. There is a tremendous demand for weapons in Chicago. That’s not Mississippi’s fault. And Lightfoot’s contention only proves that criminals in her city can get their hands on guns rather easily, while most law-abiding citizens have no way to defend themselves.


Lightfoot may also be surprised to learn that California borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon. Yet no big city in California has quite the murder and criminality of Chicago. New York borders on states with liberal gun laws, such as Vermont, Pennsylvania, and New Hampshire. Yet NYC’s murder rate is only fraction of Chicago’s. Texas gets an “F” from Gifford Law Center, yet Houston and Dallas have murder rates that are half of that in Chicago. The rates in Austin and El Paso are tiny when compared to Chicago.

Cherry picked twattle. Lightfoot is undershooting the %. It's more like 67%.

What We Know About the Effectiveness of Universal Gun Background Checks

Examining the research on the policy Democrats hope to push through Congress.

www.thetrace.org

Wrong......criminals use straw buyers to buy their guns....which means they can pass any background check......so no, universal background checks will not stop criminals or do anything.......the research is stupid from the word go.....

And you didn't answer the question....why does Houston, flooded with guns and gun stores have less gun murder than Chicago....dittos California, bordered by Arizona and Nevada, and New York bordered by Pennsylvania, and other gun friendly states?

And why doesn't Indiana have the same problem as Chicago?

You can't answer that because it shows you are wrong.

Wrong. Straw buyers sell their guns to criminals..jeez...facepalm. Again, stop with the deflections. This has been researched to the nth degree.

Chicago gun violence, drug cartel mayhem fueled by straw purchases

The I-Team is investigating a loophole linking recent high profile shootings: Criminals getting around gun safety laws by exploiting legal sales.

abc7chicago.com

Moron, the article on gangs and democrat politicians is Chicago Magazine...you twit.

You did not answer the question about Houston vs. Chicago and California and New York vs. Chicago...that is because you can't........it shows that your argument is dumb and doesn't hold up to basic logic....


Do you understand what a straw purchase is? It means that

NO..ONE..CARES about your deflection. Chicago, not Houston, or New York, or Rainbow Unicorns. Answer the f'ing question. Where do the F'ing guns come from?

This is why Chicago has the gun crime problem.......

The Left’s Phony War on Guns | National Review
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Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.

Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.

One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.

Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.

A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.

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But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.

The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.