China Sends Aircraft Carrier Into Taiwan Strait

[Kosh]

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

And what did it do? It provided more and better health insurance to the people.

It is not Socialism, the argument put forth by the propaganda purveyors who sold it to the biddable; it allowed individual states to design their own system of care, or not as some chose to do, and it's costs are not rising annually in double digits as health insurance cost did for decades before the ACA was promulgated.

No, it made me shunt to a high deductible plan with higher premiums than I had before with a PPO plan.

I liked my plan, I didn't get to keep my plan, period.

Yet if you were honest and suffered a massive heart attack, stage four cancer or were hit by a truck, you might play a different a tune.

No you far left drones would have to admit that $6500 to $12,000 out of pocket hurts vs $2500 before Obamacare!

See how the far left drones fail with each and every post when faced with reality?

 

[beagle9]

The difference is China will have a hard time replacing the imports it imposes tarriffs on, especially the agricultural products, and some of the higher end products, like mining equipment, airplanes, and the like.

Couple that with it's own restive population, it has more to lose in a tit for tat fight than the US does.

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

Trump won on a promise to do things- exactly. And folks like yourself hopes he does something- and hope it works. Wow.....sounds like Obama's first election.

It is amazing how much Conservatives want to demand protections for American industry without really knowing what such protections would end up doing.

I hope Trump uses his negotiation skills with China to make America more competitive. Just slapping on a 30% tariff on China will hurt Americans- especially the poor and farmers.

. Not if the shift inward is revitalized, and the American markets are supported from within again. We became the strongest nation in the world from within, and the world marvelled at our success and progress, and when we traded with the world it was once a mutually respected thing. We have been bamboozled into thinking that this nation can't make itself great again.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Would it have made the world safer has the US sent a carrier group or two into the S. China Sea? Or drawn a line in the sea to confront China's ambition's?

Actually neither.

Introduce a scenario where China starts a war with Taiwan. It will give the US every excuse to project its military power in the South China Sea. No lines in the sea, and no considerations. You support Taiwan, crush China and as a stipulation of surrender demand they dismantle their little islands there.

 

[Syriusly]

Agriculture?

China is already sourcing from South America and Australia- if the U.S. is not competitive they can source from there.
Mining equipment? The EU and Canada will gladly take those jobs.
Airplanes? Airbus is already making competition tough on Boeing.

The United States is a huge market for China, but China is a huge market for the United States. We would be two guys in a canoe shooting holes in the canoe to get back at each other.

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

Trump won on a promise to do things- exactly. And folks like yourself hopes he does something- and hope it works. Wow.....sounds like Obama's first election.

It is amazing how much Conservatives want to demand protections for American industry without really knowing what such protections would end up doing.

I hope Trump uses his negotiation skills with China to make America more competitive. Just slapping on a 30% tariff on China will hurt Americans- especially the poor and farmers.

. Not if the shift inward is revitalized, and the American markets are supported from within again. We became the strongest nation in the world from within, and the world marvelled at our success and progress, and when we traded with the world it was once a mutually respected thing. We have been bamboozled into thinking that this nation can't make itself great again.

Why do you think that the United States is not a great nation?

No 'shift inward' will supply new markets for American farmers- a Trade war with China would wipe out a large portion of the diminishing American farmers.

The United States can negotiate better trade with China- but slapping an indiscriminate tariff on Chinese imports would just hurt Americans- from farmers, to manufacturing workers, to American consumers.

 

[Syriusly]

Would it have made the world safer has the US sent a carrier group or two into the S. China Sea? Or drawn a line in the sea to confront China's ambition's?

Actually neither.

Introduce a scenario where China starts a war with Taiwan. It will give the US every excuse to project its military power in the South China Sea. No lines in the sea, and no considerations. You support Taiwan, crush China and as a stipulation of surrender demand they dismantle their little islands there.

Oh great- so your solution is a war with another nuclear power.

That couldn't possibly end badly.

 

[Syriusly]

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

Yes far left drone!

China owns the factories that other companies use. You are not allowed to own land in China, any troll like you claiming that they are in China would know that...

Sigh- you are such an ignorant troll.

Most American companies who run factories don't own the land- or even the building.

In China, private companies lease land and build factories- amazingly rapidly.

Chinese government companies can't compete with private employers which are much, much more efficient. Only government industries where China provides huge subsidies(which are fewer and fewer) can compete with the capitalism in China.

China has essentially a quasi Communist government- really more of an oligarchy- with a largely capitalist economy.

 

[Syriusly]

One part of that is true- which is that China has been stealing intellectual property for decades.

But the other part of that is just hyperbole.

China is competing with the world- for years Chinese workers were cheaper. Now Chinese workers are more expensive, so in the last 10 years manufacturers have been relocating labor intensive work to Vietnam and Bangladesh and other countries.

You put tariff's on China- it will not miraculously create new American jobs.

But almost certainly it will cost Americans jobs, and probably a lot of farmers their farms.

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

NORINCO is the Northern Army of China. PolyTech is the Southern Army of China. They control ALL manufacturing within their sphere's of influence and get a cut of all manufacturing profits. That's how they fund their respective military units. Funny, that you a supposed "expert" on China, didn't know that. It is common knowledge within the business world.

And their total employment is a mere blip in Chinese manufacturing- focusing primarily on defense items.

I deal with companies from Northern to Southern China and have never dealt with either company.
And have no need to.

And I don't claim to be an expert on China- I just am more knowledgeable about the reality of the economy than you are.

Since I go to China, do business in China- and understand economics.

 

[westwall]

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

NORINCO is the Northern Army of China. PolyTech is the Southern Army of China. They control ALL manufacturing within their sphere's of influence and get a cut of all manufacturing profits. That's how they fund their respective military units. Funny, that you a supposed "expert" on China, didn't know that. It is common knowledge within the business world.

And their total employment is a mere blip in Chinese manufacturing- focusing primarily on defense items.

I deal with companies from Northern to Southern China and have never dealt with either company.
And have no need to.

And I don't claim to be an expert on China- I just am more knowledgeable about the reality of the economy than you are.

Since I go to China, do business in China- and understand economics.

That's because they are MANAGERS you halfwit! All they do is keep track of what is happening, and who owes them what. The Chinese State OWNS all the property. You can only buy the right to use it, which they can rescind at any time they wish. For someone who claims to spend so much time in China you know remarkably little.

 

[Syriusly]

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

NORINCO is the Northern Army of China. PolyTech is the Southern Army of China. They control ALL manufacturing within their sphere's of influence and get a cut of all manufacturing profits. That's how they fund their respective military units. Funny, that you a supposed "expert" on China, didn't know that. It is common knowledge within the business world.

And their total employment is a mere blip in Chinese manufacturing- focusing primarily on defense items.

I deal with companies from Northern to Southern China and have never dealt with either company.
And have no need to.

And I don't claim to be an expert on China- I just am more knowledgeable about the reality of the economy than you are.

Since I go to China, do business in China- and understand economics.

That's because they are MANAGERS you halfwit! All they do is keep track of what is happening, and who owes them what. The Chinese State OWNS all the property. You can only buy the right to use it, which they can rescind at any time they wish. For someone who claims to spend so much time in China you know remarkably little.

Sigh.

Business's get long term leases- which they in turn lease out to other business's- and down the line.

The government legally can't rescind at any time, but being the Chinese government, they can really do most of whatever they want.They don't do that because China extremely encourages business- which is why the air and water is so damned polluted in China. China often turns a blind eye towards environmental abuses for the benefit of private business's that their entire economy depends on.

Meanwhile- most of the factories- the ones who are actually doing most of the business with the West are privately owned. Leasing land just like most companies in the United States do.

Capitalism is thriving in China.

Don't believe me? Ask Jack Ma.

 

[westwall]

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

NORINCO is the Northern Army of China. PolyTech is the Southern Army of China. They control ALL manufacturing within their sphere's of influence and get a cut of all manufacturing profits. That's how they fund their respective military units. Funny, that you a supposed "expert" on China, didn't know that. It is common knowledge within the business world.

And their total employment is a mere blip in Chinese manufacturing- focusing primarily on defense items.

I deal with companies from Northern to Southern China and have never dealt with either company.
And have no need to.

And I don't claim to be an expert on China- I just am more knowledgeable about the reality of the economy than you are.

Since I go to China, do business in China- and understand economics.

That's because they are MANAGERS you halfwit! All they do is keep track of what is happening, and who owes them what. The Chinese State OWNS all the property. You can only buy the right to use it, which they can rescind at any time they wish. For someone who claims to spend so much time in China you know remarkably little.

Sigh.

Business's get long term leases- which they in turn lease out to other business's- and down the line.

The government legally can't rescind at any time, but being the Chinese government, they can really do most of whatever they want.

Meanwhile- most of the factories- the ones who are actually doing most of the business with the West are privately owned. Leasing land just like most companies in the United States do.

Capitalism is thriving in China.

Don't believe me? Ask Jack Ma.

Of course it is. The Chinese government likes making money. It has allowed them to build their bluewater navy, steal technology from the west at an unheard of rate, and develop their aerospace industry. What's not to like. However, every person knows that if they piss off the ruling elite, this will happen to them...

China executes Ferrari-loving billionaire 'gangster'
Liu Han, a mining tycoon known for his love of cigars, casinos and fast cars, is executed for "tyrannical" crimes and mafia killings as Xi Jinping's anti-corruption drive continues

China executes Ferrari-loving billionaire 'gangster'

 

[Kosh]

Wrong. Who actually controls the factories in the north and south of China?

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

Yes far left drone!

China owns the factories that other companies use. You are not allowed to own land in China, any troll like you claiming that they are in China would know that...

Sigh- you are such an ignorant troll.

Most American companies who run factories don't own the land- or even the building.

In China, private companies lease land and build factories- amazingly rapidly.

Chinese government companies can't compete with private employers which are much, much more efficient. Only government industries where China provides huge subsidies(which are fewer and fewer) can compete with the capitalism in China.

China has essentially a quasi Communist government- really more of an oligarchy- with a largely capitalist economy.

See how the far left drones act when they get caught telling lies?

So instead of admitting that they are wrong they have use terms like " ignorant troll", yet it is they that are the ignorant Trolls!

Yes I posted that China owns the land already, guess you missed that in your haste to use words like troll!

Yes you are a far left drone!

No China is a communist run country and capitalism is not practiced. The CCP’s goal in the past was to eradicate capitalism. Maoist red China completely eliminated private ownership, and the majority of capital assets were taken away from the people. But it uses Communist Party capitalism to strengthen the authoritarian system set up by Mao. The red elite and their relatives were the most likely ones to get rich, and they protected their privileges with political power. That all sounds like the far left goal here in the US that you far left drone trolls support without question or hesitation.

Yet companies like Apple rent out buildings and labor that is not paid well in places that are not safe. Yet Obama has called them a great company!

No matter how you far left drone trolls want to spin it, you are ok with child slave labor and unsafe working conditions.

Especially when you buy and support companies like Apple!

The textile industry in China is the same way, a whole village is dedicated to make fake Christmas trees in horrid conditions.

And yet you far left drone trolls look the other way!

 

[martybegan]

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

And what did it do? It provided more and better health insurance to the people.

It is not Socialism, the argument put forth by the propaganda purveyors who sold it to the biddable; it allowed individual states to design their own system of care, or not as some chose to do, and it's costs are not rising annually in double digits as health insurance cost did for decades before the ACA was promulgated.

No, it made me shunt to a high deductible plan with higher premiums than I had before with a PPO plan.

I liked my plan, I didn't get to keep my plan, period.

Yet if you were honest and suffered a massive heart attack, stage four cancer or were hit by a truck, you might play a different a tune.

I would have been covered anyway. When i was an intern I paid $200 a month for an HMO (when I was making $400 a week), and I got on my companies insurance right away.

I planned for the future, so even in those situations I would have been covered.

But then Obamacare came along and fucked my shit up, so people who didn't plan get their asses taken out of the fire.

 

[beagle9]

Can South America and Australia make up the sheer volume of US agricultural exports to China?
Why wouldn't the EU and Canada jump on the bandwagon, considering their own trade balance issues?
Does Airbus have the production capacity to meet China's growing need for multiple modern aircraft?

More importantly, what is more crucial, the US placating its population, or China, placating it's rapidly expanding middle class, which currently has a sizable male/female gender imbalance?

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

Trump won on a promise to do things- exactly. And folks like yourself hopes he does something- and hope it works. Wow.....sounds like Obama's first election.

It is amazing how much Conservatives want to demand protections for American industry without really knowing what such protections would end up doing.

I hope Trump uses his negotiation skills with China to make America more competitive. Just slapping on a 30% tariff on China will hurt Americans- especially the poor and farmers.

. Not if the shift inward is revitalized, and the American markets are supported from within again. We became the strongest nation in the world from within, and the world marvelled at our success and progress, and when we traded with the world it was once a mutually respected thing. We have been bamboozled into thinking that this nation can't make itself great again.

Why do you think that the United States is not a great nation?

No 'shift inward' will supply new markets for American farmers- a Trade war with China would wipe out a large portion of the diminishing American farmers.

The United States can negotiate better trade with China- but slapping an indiscriminate tariff on Chinese imports would just hurt Americans- from farmers, to manufacturing workers, to American consumers.

. Then somebody's lying then. What is our Trade deficit again ?

 

[Syriusly]

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

NORINCO is the Northern Army of China. PolyTech is the Southern Army of China. They control ALL manufacturing within their sphere's of influence and get a cut of all manufacturing profits. That's how they fund their respective military units. Funny, that you a supposed "expert" on China, didn't know that. It is common knowledge within the business world.

And their total employment is a mere blip in Chinese manufacturing- focusing primarily on defense items.

I deal with companies from Northern to Southern China and have never dealt with either company.
And have no need to.

And I don't claim to be an expert on China- I just am more knowledgeable about the reality of the economy than you are.

Since I go to China, do business in China- and understand economics.

That's because they are MANAGERS you halfwit! All they do is keep track of what is happening, and who owes them what. The Chinese State OWNS all the property. You can only buy the right to use it, which they can rescind at any time they wish. For someone who claims to spend so much time in China you know remarkably little.

Sigh.

Business's get long term leases- which they in turn lease out to other business's- and down the line.

The government legally can't rescind at any time, but being the Chinese government, they can really do most of whatever they want.

Meanwhile- most of the factories- the ones who are actually doing most of the business with the West are privately owned. Leasing land just like most companies in the United States do.

Capitalism is thriving in China.

Don't believe me? Ask Jack Ma.

Of course it is. The Chinese government likes making money. It has allowed them to build their bluewater navy, steal technology from the west at an unheard of rate, and develop their aerospace industry. What's not to like. However, every person knows that if they piss off the ruling elite, this will happen to them...

China executes Ferrari-loving billionaire 'gangster'
Liu Han, a mining tycoon known for his love of cigars, casinos and fast cars, is executed for "tyrannical" crimes and mafia killings as Xi Jinping's anti-corruption drive continues

China executes Ferrari-loving billionaire 'gangster'

China executing someone for corruption- how horrible.

China in its own way is as tyrannical as Russia and Putin. But the free market thrives in China.

 

[Syriusly]

Most of the factories in the North and the South are privately owned- though the Chinese government entities have their finger in many business's- more so with the older dirtier industries up north.

The south is much more the hotbed of Chinese entreprenuership.

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

Yes far left drone!

China owns the factories that other companies use. You are not allowed to own land in China, any troll like you claiming that they are in China would know that...

Sigh- you are such an ignorant troll.

Most American companies who run factories don't own the land- or even the building.

In China, private companies lease land and build factories- amazingly rapidly.

Chinese government companies can't compete with private employers which are much, much more efficient. Only government industries where China provides huge subsidies(which are fewer and fewer) can compete with the capitalism in China.

China has essentially a quasi Communist government- really more of an oligarchy- with a largely capitalist economy.

See how the far left drones !

Kosh being the troll he always is.

 

[Syriusly]

Yes
No- because the EU and Canada would jump on the chance to take away American jobs.
Yes

What is more crucial?

Starting a trade war with China that would hurt all Americans?

Or not.

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

Trump won on a promise to do things- exactly. And folks like yourself hopes he does something- and hope it works. Wow.....sounds like Obama's first election.

It is amazing how much Conservatives want to demand protections for American industry without really knowing what such protections would end up doing.

I hope Trump uses his negotiation skills with China to make America more competitive. Just slapping on a 30% tariff on China will hurt Americans- especially the poor and farmers.

. Not if the shift inward is revitalized, and the American markets are supported from within again. We became the strongest nation in the world from within, and the world marvelled at our success and progress, and when we traded with the world it was once a mutually respected thing. We have been bamboozled into thinking that this nation can't make itself great again.

Why do you think that the United States is not a great nation?

No 'shift inward' will supply new markets for American farmers- a Trade war with China would wipe out a large portion of the diminishing American farmers.

The United States can negotiate better trade with China- but slapping an indiscriminate tariff on Chinese imports would just hurt Americans- from farmers, to manufacturing workers, to American consumers.

. Then somebody's lying then. What is our Trade deficit again ?

Someone's lying about what?

Why do you think it is a lie to say that the United States is a great nation?

 

[Kosh]

Showing how little you really know about China. Ever heard of a company called NORINCO? Or how about Poly Technologies?

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

Yes far left drone!

China owns the factories that other companies use. You are not allowed to own land in China, any troll like you claiming that they are in China would know that...

Sigh- you are such an ignorant troll.

Most American companies who run factories don't own the land- or even the building.

In China, private companies lease land and build factories- amazingly rapidly.

Chinese government companies can't compete with private employers which are much, much more efficient. Only government industries where China provides huge subsidies(which are fewer and fewer) can compete with the capitalism in China.

China has essentially a quasi Communist government- really more of an oligarchy- with a largely capitalist economy.

See how the far left drones !

Kosh being the troll he always is.

Coming from a far left drone troll!

This is how they act when you show them that their religious dogma is not connected to reality!

Next they will Claim that China is more Capitalist than the US!

Remember if you post facts against the far left drones, they will call you a troll!

As they have no way to back up their religious dogma!

 

[Kosh]

Well the status quo is resulting in loss of lower end american jobs, and Trump won on a promise to do something about it.

It's amazing how tame progressives can be when it comes to things like this, yet decide to pass a law unilaterally that completely reorganizes US healthcare, without really knowing what the law would end up doing.

Trump won on a promise to do things- exactly. And folks like yourself hopes he does something- and hope it works. Wow.....sounds like Obama's first election.

It is amazing how much Conservatives want to demand protections for American industry without really knowing what such protections would end up doing.

I hope Trump uses his negotiation skills with China to make America more competitive. Just slapping on a 30% tariff on China will hurt Americans- especially the poor and farmers.

. Not if the shift inward is revitalized, and the American markets are supported from within again. We became the strongest nation in the world from within, and the world marvelled at our success and progress, and when we traded with the world it was once a mutually respected thing. We have been bamboozled into thinking that this nation can't make itself great again.

Why do you think that the United States is not a great nation?

No 'shift inward' will supply new markets for American farmers- a Trade war with China would wipe out a large portion of the diminishing American farmers.

The United States can negotiate better trade with China- but slapping an indiscriminate tariff on Chinese imports would just hurt Americans- from farmers, to manufacturing workers, to American consumers.

. Then somebody's lying then. What is our Trade deficit again ?

Someone's lying about what?

Why do you think it is a lie to say that the United States is a great nation?

See how the far left drone trolls deflect when asked to provide proof of their religious dogma!

Here is the question that the far left drone is deflecting from:

What is our Trade deficit again ?

 

[Syriusly]

Well I have been doing business in China for years, and have usually spent a few weeks a year in China going to factories- but hey I guess that isn't 'real' knowledge.

A quick check on NORINCO shows it is a Chinese state controlled manufacturer with about 300,000 employees.

Which makes it a large employer but barely a blip on the radar when you consider how many millions of Chinese work in manufacturing.

Yes far left drone!

China owns the factories that other companies use. You are not allowed to own land in China, any troll like you claiming that they are in China would know that...

Sigh- you are such an ignorant troll.

Most American companies who run factories don't own the land- or even the building.

In China, private companies lease land and build factories- amazingly rapidly.

Chinese government companies can't compete with private employers which are much, much more efficient. Only government industries where China provides huge subsidies(which are fewer and fewer) can compete with the capitalism in China.

China has essentially a quasi Communist government- really more of an oligarchy- with a largely capitalist economy.

See how the far left drones !

Kosh being the troll he always is.

Coming from a far left drone troll!

This is how they act when you show them that their religious dogma is not connected to reality!

Next they will Claim that China is more Capitalist than the US!

Remember if you post facts against the far left drones, they will call you a troll!

As they have no way to back up their religious dogma!

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on your ass.

Troll.

 

[Kosh]

Yes far left drone!

China owns the factories that other companies use. You are not allowed to own land in China, any troll like you claiming that they are in China would know that...

Sigh- you are such an ignorant troll.

Most American companies who run factories don't own the land- or even the building.

In China, private companies lease land and build factories- amazingly rapidly.

Chinese government companies can't compete with private employers which are much, much more efficient. Only government industries where China provides huge subsidies(which are fewer and fewer) can compete with the capitalism in China.

China has essentially a quasi Communist government- really more of an oligarchy- with a largely capitalist economy.

See how the far left drones !

Kosh being the troll he always is.

Coming from a!

Troll

Yes you are a far left dro9ne troll and you edited the my comments!

That is what you far left drone trolls do!

So you have any facts to back up you comments?