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sure and why don't we go back to refusing black people a ride on the front of the bus while we are at it.
buses are usually a government funded service, and thus are required to provide equal services for equal cost.
Bakers are usually not government funded, nor do they have an irreplaceable role in interstate or even intrastate commerce.
the idea was to force them out of business....or kowtow to their gay agenda.
That's what I told somebody by PM. Fine, you want to 'teach them a lesson' or whatever, spread the word, take your money and walk, etc. But going after their vendors (in my estimation) - they went too far. That meant they couldn't honor the jobs they did have.
the refused in the wrong way......
personally i would NOT want someone who did not want to service me....making my cake.
For private enterprises there shouldnt be anti-discrimination laws.
The government is another matter.
I agree, private business should be able to discriminate based on any criteria they determine fits their business model including race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation or religion. (And yes I'm serious.)
Public Accommodation laws should apply to government entities and of course bar them from doing business with discriminatory businesses, but private businesses should not be limited.
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And those businesses can pay the price if their discrimination offends those in the market they serve.
That's free enterprise the way it's supposed to be. the market decides which business lives or dies
TODD'S AMERICAN DISPATCH: Christian bakery closes after LGBT threats, protests | Fox News
threats are something else.
Oh my!! Christians are so, so passively sensitive to those that would use the 1st Amendment. lol!! What threat?![]()
Not if it has a public license to serve customers, TemplarKormac. unless the can file and win over religious beliefs.
I think the SCOTUS conservative margin would not approve that. I could be wrong.
anti-discrimination laws against people are not a matter of consitutional rights, but a matter of local and federal law. The recontruction amendments only ban the federal and state/local GOVERNMENTS from discriminating.
The question then becomes is the government ALLOWED to force you to go into business with someone you do not want to go into business with?
Yours is a common and mistaken reading of the law.
Where in the consitution is it written that a buisiness can be forced to serve anyone?
Well, as memory serves, the congress got there via the commerce clause, and the supreme court said, OK. (which is why I suspect Roberts did not find Obamacare valid under the commerce clause) You may not like it, and I may disagree with it, but it's the law, and we live with it. And, it's not so onerous. Even those of us who disagreed, pointed out that eventually KFC with an non discriminatory policy would bury Maddux economically, regardless of who had better chicken.
TODD'S AMERICAN DISPATCH: Christian bakery closes after LGBT threats, protests | Fox News
threats are something else.
A family-owned Christian bakery, under investigation for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple, has been forced to close its doors after a vicious boycott by militant homosexual activists.
Better is a poor man who walks in integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways, read a posting from Proverbs on the bakerys Facebook page.
Nothing crooked morally or legally about baking a wedding cake for a lesbian couple...IMO.
Take the order from the customer, bake the cake, payment for it changes hands legally, all good.
Now, if one turns baking wedding cakes into a 'morals crusade', then one has to deal with the consequences.
Consequences that can be dire.
Also, there are discrimination laws.
Christian bakers who refused cake order for gay wedding forced to close shop - Washington Times
A year ago I would have said 'good.' But actually seeing that it happened, - I don't like how this feels. They shouldn't have been treated as they have been treated, not in my estimation.
Some of those threats were shocking. One emailer wished for the couples children to fall ill. Another expressed hope that Mr. Klein should be shot and even raped, The Blaze reported.
And yet another wrote: Heres hoping you go out of business, you bigot.
The couple said on top of that, their vendors were badgered and harassed into stopping all associations with the bakery.
The Kleins say theyre now closing up their doors and moving their operations to their home. Their business, they say, has suffered a serious revenue hit from the unexpected activism and backlash.
Looks like they need a Chik-Fil-A-type support system.
Klein is a jewish name.
I don't do links so I haven't read the article.
I am curios, however, as to how the owners of the bakery knew that the couple was gay?
It isn't like it is stamped on their foreheads.
I smell an agenda going on here.
The homosexual couple were not in the wrong here. The bakers were.
Why?
Their faith in God informs them that homosexuality is filthy and unholy and perverse and sinful and unclean and degenerate and emasculating and that association with homosexuals is either prohibited or otherwise condemned as consorting with those in whom God is greatly displeased.
And they live in a country whose history is steeped in the influence of that faith, and whose majority population adhere to such belief-systems.
Perhaps they saw it as a matter of Man's Law in conflict with God's Law, and chose God over Man?
Having children out of wedlock is a sin, and human cloning is immoral. Tattoos are clearly forbidden. Yet they are happy to support all of those things, just not the gays.
Simple question.
What if this was a homosexual bakery refusing service to Christians? Would any of you pro equality liberals be squealing your heads off right now? I highly think not. Think about it. And then think about how hypocritical you are.
Good night.
Simple question.
What if this was a homosexual bakery refusing service to Christians? Would any of you pro equality liberals be squealing your heads off right now? I highly think not. Think about it. And then think about how hypocritical you are.
Good night.
They wouldn't do that, having been on the receiving end of such bullshit for so long.
Having children out of wedlock is a sin, and human cloning is immoral. Tattoos are clearly forbidden. Yet they are happy to support all of those things, just not the gays.
Do we know that the Christian Bakery Owners support such things?
And even if they did...
So, they cherry-picked the Bible for the parts that THEY want to believe-in or to consider operative as God's Law or Moral Law...
Big deal...
Some parts of ancient sacred texts are still relevant today...
Some parts are not...
Most folks hold that the ancient prohibitions against homosexuality still hold true...
Some folks do not...
And our secular government has - very recently- begun issuing rulings and laws and regulations as if those ancient prohibitions against homosexuality do not still hold true...
To the displeasure of much of the population - in contravention to the Consent of the Governed...
A thoroughly Conservative President and Congress, and a sizable Conservative contingent within the Supreme Court, may end-up reversing some of that recent social engineering...
Just as we now see Roe v Wade being slowly eroded in State after State after State, so many years after it first became operative...
Time will tell...
Meanwhile...
You really can't fault normal, decent people for shunning fudge-packers and carpet-to-carpet munchers, and being grossed-out by them, and wanting nothing to do with them...
Their faith tells them that such folks are deviants and unclean and an abomination in the eyes of God and Nature and Man...
And a lot of good folks who do NOT have such strong beliefs, also perceive Gays in that manner...
Generally speaking, Hate is an evil and unworthy thing, but there is ONE kind of Hate (or, at least, revulsion) which most of us are taught from childhood to be acceptable... ONE kind of Hate that is supposed to be OK...
The Hatred of Evil...
And, if homosexuality is tagged as Evil, or if its perception as an Evil Thing is valid, well...
The hating of EVIL things is considered a GOOD thing, right?
Sigh...
The People will sort this out in their own good time...
What a very long post to say "O HAI! I'm a bigot too!"
No Christian should judge homosexuals as sinners. It is really none of their business.
They should judge whether their own conduct is a sin and whether accepting the normalcy of homosexuality is the sin they are committing. If a gay couple got married it is none of my concern whether or not that is a sin. If I went to the wedding that would be my sin.
Personally, I happen to think that there's more right than wrong with such thinking; after all, did not The Founder (Jesus of Nazareth) serve-up a 'judge not, lest ye be judged' maxim or two? Did he not serve-up a 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone' maxim or two? And I ask myself, how can a Christian ignore such maxims, which go to the core of that Belief System?
Then again, I understand the arguments in favor of allowing Christians to judge, as well, who will argue that Jesus gave copious examples of man judging man's sinful behaviors and that Jesus did not intend for his teachings to be used as a cover for moral relativism nor aberration.
It's a dilemma, alright, and folks who practice that Belief System come to the best conclusions that their own intellects and hearts and spirit permit them to reach.
That's one of the reasons why I don't condemn any of the three types of Believers in this context (those tolerant of homosexuality, those who condemn but do not actively oppose, and those who both condemn and oppose).
so-called "Christians" who persecute Gays but leave alone drunks, thieves, liars, cheats, are not real Christians.
Their religion is HYPOCRISY.
Not to mention child molesters and rapists.
so-called "Christians" who persecute Gays but leave alone drunks, thieves, liars, cheats, are not real Christians.
Their religion is HYPOCRISY.
Not to mention child molesters and rapists.
Like I told BDBoop, if you are judging the entire religion based on the actions of those whose actions don't represent Christianity, you are foolish and making a grave error. And speaking of hypocrisy, you gay folks seem to think people are stereotyping you, well just what exactly do you think you're doing to Christians?
so-called "Christians" who persecute Gays but leave alone drunks, thieves, liars, cheats, are not real Christians.
Their religion is HYPOCRISY.
Not to mention child molesters and rapists.
Like I told BDBoop, if you are judging the entire religion based on the actions of those whose actions don't represent Christianity, you are foolish and making a grave error. And speaking of hypocrisy, you gay folks seem to think people are stereotyping you, well just what exactly do you think you're doing to Christians?
Christian bakers who refused cake order for gay wedding forced to close shop - Washington Times
A year ago I would have said 'good.' But actually seeing that it happened, - I don't like how this feels. They shouldn't have been treated as they have been treated, not in my estimation.Some of those threats were shocking. One emailer wished for the couples children to fall ill. Another expressed hope that Mr. Klein should be shot and even raped, The Blaze reported.
And yet another wrote: Heres hoping you go out of business, you bigot.
The couple said on top of that, their vendors were badgered and harassed into stopping all associations with the bakery.
The Kleins say theyre now closing up their doors and moving their operations to their home. Their business, they say, has suffered a serious revenue hit from the unexpected activism and backlash.
Looks like they need a Chik-Fil-A-type support system.
I understand OP what you mean by how they were treated, and it makes me feel the same way. It is one thing to protest what seems to be a bias and prejudice by a business; it's another to threaten and harrass the people out of business, to threaten their children, etc.
If people are going to do that kind of thing, it just weakens their case for equal and fair treatment.
I do think in our country, and as far as the capitalism ethic goes, if you are going to be in business, your business has to be open to everyone. This is the proverbial slippery slope. If these people refuse to bake a cake for someone because they disagree with their lifestyle, all over the country people can bar customers from their businesses because they don't like the way they live or dress or their religion or whatever. There has to be one standard and one law for everyone. If you want to be in business, you have to make your business open to everyone.