CO2 Experiments posted here

[westwall]

You know that? You do? Then, the records must be absolutely FILLED with attempts to show such warming that have failed.

SHOW US ONE.

Every youtube "experiment" you post is a failed AGW experiment silly boy. BTW, why did you remove your siggie? You know .....the one where you want to murder all of the "deniers"..... Seems to be a pattern with you fraudsters. You can't present scientific evidence to support your opinions so you murder anyone who is against you... Now where else have we seen that done

Just wondering.

 

[Crick]

You know that? You do? Then, the records must be absolutely FILLED with attempts to show such warming that have failed.

SHOW US ONE.

Every youtube "experiment" you post is a failed AGW experiment silly boy.

Hardly.

BTW, why did you remove your siggie? You know .....the one where you want to murder all of the "deniers"

My siggie? That's SSDD's and as of this writing he's still sporting it. A good indication of the outright hypocrisy demonstrated at Deniers demonstrate their hypocrisy#post9523747

Seems to be a pattern with you fraudsters. You can't present scientific evidence to support your opinions so you murder anyone who is against you...

I have posted links to many times the number of peer reviewed studies as have you. So has mamooth.

Now where else have we seen that done

Just wondering.

You've seen it done by a significant number of your denier buddies right here, as noted at Click this link to see Westwall demonstrate his own hypocrisy#post9523747

 

[westwall]

You know that? You do? Then, the records must be absolutely FILLED with attempts to show such warming that have failed.

SHOW US ONE.

Every youtube "experiment" you post is a failed AGW experiment silly boy.

Hardly.



My siggie? That's SSDD's and as of this writing he's still sporting it. A good indication of the outright hypocrisy demonstrated at Deniers demonstrate their hypocrisy#post9523747

Seems to be a pattern with you fraudsters. You can't present scientific evidence to support your opinions so you murder anyone who is against you...

I have posted links to many times the number of peer reviewed studies as have you. So has mamooth.

Now where else have we seen that done

Just wondering.

Try at Westwall demonstrates his hypocrisy (or ignorance)#post9523747

What exactly does that show other than you want to murder people and we don't? You're not helping yourself jackass, you're just digging your hole deeper.

 

[Crick]

BTW: is this the result of a failed experiment:

 

[mamooth]

From the grave, Stalin smiles at his star pupil Westwall. Stalin especially appreciates the way the Westwall wants scientists imprisoned if they go against TheParty. Not just scientists, of course, as Westwall desires gulags filled with liberals and other EnemiesOfTheState, all so sorely in need of forced re-education.

Westwall also craves a huge body count. Primarily brown people, but that goes along with the sick racism that has historically defined Westwall's type of authoritarianism. Let's give a few examples.

Try DDT. Westwall is furious at Rachel Carlson for saving millions of lives from malaria by way of DDT restrictions. The world correctly praises her, but Westwall rages that Carson shouldn't have saved them, since it deprived his death-cult of the blood sacrifice it constantly demands.

His more current strategy to increase the body count would be to maximize the amount of global warming. The body count he'll get that way will start slow, but it will eventually ramp up to match that of his DearLeaderStalin.

Remember, don't just laugh at deniers; look at history and understand the danger to humanity that some of them represent.

 

[Crick]

Deniers demonstrate their hypocrisy#post9523747

What exactly does that show other than you want to murder people and we don't? You're not helping yourself jackass, you're just digging your hole deeper.

You seem to have a serious reading comprehension problem. Short term memory loss perhaps. The quotes at that link are ALL from deniers suggesting the deaths of people concerned about AGW including two quotes from YOU. What I've demonstrated -no, let me correct that - what YOU have demonstrated, is that it is the DENIER side of this argument that would rather murder its opponents than take them on in honest debate and that you are as hypocritical on the point as any of them.

 

[westwall]

From the grave, Stalin smiles at his star pupil Westwall. Stalin especially appreciates the way the Westwall wants scientists imprisoned if they go against TheParty. Not just scientists, of course, as Westwall desires gulags filled with liberals and other EnemiesOfTheState, all so sorely in need of forced re-education.

Westwall also craves a huge body count. Primarily brown people, but that goes along with the sick racism that has historically defined Westwall's type of authoritarianism. Let's give a few examples.

Try DDT. Westwall is furious at Rachel Carlson for saving millions of lives from malaria by way of DDT restrictions. The world correctly praises her, but Westwall rages that Carson shouldn't have saved them, since it deprived his death-cult of the blood sacrifice it constantly demands.

His more current strategy to increase the body count would be to maximize the amount of global warming. The body count he'll get that way will start slow, but it will eventually ramp up to match that of his DearLeaderStalin.

Remember, don't just laugh at deniers; look at history and understand the danger to humanity that some of them represent.

Stalin is actually patting you on the head there admiral....funny you claim that Carlson has saved all those people and yet DDT would have saved at least 60 million from dying of malaria. Your propaganda needs work silly boy.

You're failing at your job for your masters. They are very displeased with you.

 

[westwall]

Deniers demonstrate their hypocrisy#post9523747

What exactly does that show other than you want to murder people and we don't? You're not helping yourself jackass, you're just digging your hole deeper.

You seem to have a serious reading comprehension problem. Short term memory loss perhaps. The quotes at that link are ALL from deniers suggesting the deaths of people concerned about AGW including two quotes from YOU. What I've demonstrated -no, let me correct that - what YOU have demonstrated, is that it is the DENIER side of this argument that would rather murder its opponents than take them on in honest debate and that you are as hypocritical on the point as any of them.

Now you're simply lying. I have never called for the death of anyone. Legally tried and if found guilty sent to prison, but never incarcerated for no reason and certainly not murdering anyone. That is you clowns.

You had best go back and check your source material there cricky, you seem to be altering quotations and that is a violation of Board rules.

 

[Crick]

It's Carson gentlemen.

The ban on DDT saved the lives of innumerable instar of species at the top of their respective food chains (like humans).

Found this looking for Carson info:

Robert White-Stevens, the American Cyanamid scientist who had already been speaking on Silent Spring around the country, also appeared on camera during the “CBS Reports” show. He was interviewed in a laboratory setting, in white lab coat surrounded by beakers and other lab equipment. “When pesticides, registered pesticides, are used in accordance with label instructions and recommendations, then there is no danger to either man or to animals and wildlife,” he stated at one point. Of Carson and her book he said: “The major claims in Miss Rachel Carson’s book, Silent Spring, are gross distortions of the actual facts, completely unsupported by scientific experimental evidence and general practical experience in the field. If man were to faithfully follow the teachings of Miss Carson, we would return to the Dark Ages, and the insects and diseases and vermin would once again inherit the Earth.” In the telecast, with Carson and White-Stevens cast as the primary focal points, Carson came across as the more rational messenger, and certainly not the “hysterical woman” she was portrayed to be by some of her critics. The show was seen by 10-to-15 million TV viewers, and was especially important for those who had not read the book or had little knowledge of the pesticide issue.

Sound familiar?

 

[Crick]

Very thorough link about Rachel Carson, her work and her books at The Pop History Dig » DDT 1950s

 

[mamooth]

Stalin is actually patting you on the head there admiral....funny you claim that Carlson has saved all those people and yet DDT would have saved at least 60 million from dying of malaria. Your propaganda needs work silly boy.

You're failing at your job for your masters. They are very displeased with you.

Predictably, you choose to fabricate some insane numbers.

If you're not just regurgitating idiot propaganda, show us your calculations, how you got your crazy 60 million figure. But everyone here already knows know you won't. You're going into evade mode now, like you do every time I catch you parroting your cult's nonsense dogma. On the bright side, at least you've got consistency going for you.

And there is an easy way you can show you're not a Stalinist. Simply announce that Republicans were morally wrong to demand a prosecution of Dr. Mann. If you won't do so, it will be a clear confirmation of your heir-of-Stalin status, as sending scientists to kangaroo courts is textbook Stalinism.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

BTW: is this the result of a failed experiment:

....and the experiment that shows the temperature increase from a 120ppm increase in CO2...where do we find that???

 

[CrusaderFrank]

From the grave, Stalin smiles at his star pupil Westwall. Stalin especially appreciates the way the Westwall wants scientists imprisoned if they go against TheParty. Not just scientists, of course, as Westwall desires gulags filled with liberals and other EnemiesOfTheState, all so sorely in need of forced re-education.

Westwall also craves a huge body count. Primarily brown people, but that goes along with the sick racism that has historically defined Westwall's type of authoritarianism. Let's give a few examples.

Try DDT. Westwall is furious at Rachel Carlson for saving millions of lives from malaria by way of DDT restrictions. The world correctly praises her, but Westwall rages that Carson shouldn't have saved them, since it deprived his death-cult of the blood sacrifice it constantly demands.

His more current strategy to increase the body count would be to maximize the amount of global warming. The body count he'll get that way will start slow, but it will eventually ramp up to match that of his DearLeaderStalin.

Remember, don't just laugh at deniers; look at history and understand the danger to humanity that some of them represent.

There's something seriously wrong with you. You're totally fucked in the head.

 

[SSDD]

BTW: is this the result of a failed experiment:

Definitely failed. CO2 absorbs at 2.7, 4.3 and 15 micrometers..look at where CO2 is shown on your chart.

 

[SSDD]

Claiming that you can't provide any evidence because those with whom you disagree have hidden the evidence is about as pathetic as you can get. We've been told on numerous occasions that the "real science" supports your position. WHAT real science? The work of Pielke Sr? Spencer? Soon & Bailunas? If, as you contend, there is no scientific evidence available supporting your claim, ON WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR OPINION?

What's pathetic is spending millions of public dollars in the effort to keep the information hidden.

 

[SSDD]

From the grave, Stalin smiles at his star pupil Westwall. Stalin especially appreciates the way the Westwall wants scientists imprisoned if they go against TheParty. Not just scientists, of course, as Westwall desires gulags filled with liberals and other EnemiesOfTheState, all so sorely in need of forced re-education.

Westwall also craves a huge body count. Primarily brown people, but that goes along with the sick racism that has historically defined Westwall's type of authoritarianism. Let's give a few examples.

Try DDT. Westwall is furious at Rachel Carlson for saving millions of lives from malaria by way of DDT restrictions. The world correctly praises her, but Westwall rages that Carson shouldn't have saved them, since it deprived his death-cult of the blood sacrifice it constantly demands.

His more current strategy to increase the body count would be to maximize the amount of global warming. The body count he'll get that way will start slow, but it will eventually ramp up to match that of his DearLeaderStalin.

Remember, don't just laugh at deniers; look at history and understand the danger to humanity that some of them represent.

Project much?

 

[SSDD]

It's Carson gentlemen.

The ban on DDT saved the lives of innumerable instar of species at the top of their respective food chains (like humans).

Found this looking for Carson info:

Robert White-Stevens, the American Cyanamid scientist who had already been speaking on Silent Spring around the country, also appeared on camera during the “CBS Reports” show. He was interviewed in a laboratory setting, in white lab coat surrounded by beakers and other lab equipment. “When pesticides, registered pesticides, are used in accordance with label instructions and recommendations, then there is no danger to either man or to animals and wildlife,” he stated at one point. Of Carson and her book he said: “The major claims in Miss Rachel Carson’s book, Silent Spring, are gross distortions of the actual facts, completely unsupported by scientific experimental evidence and general practical experience in the field. If man were to faithfully follow the teachings of Miss Carson, we would return to the Dark Ages, and the insects and diseases and vermin would once again inherit the Earth.” In the telecast, with Carson and White-Stevens cast as the primary focal points, Carson came across as the more rational messenger, and certainly not the “hysterical woman” she was portrayed to be by some of her critics. The show was seen by 10-to-15 million TV viewers, and was especially important for those who had not read the book or had little knowledge of the pesticide issue.

Sound familiar?

You guys will believe anything, won't you. You are the perfect dupes.


Bald eagles were reportedly threatened with extinction in 1921 — 25 years before widespread use of DDT. [Van Name, WG. 1921. Ecology 2:76]

After 15 years of heavy and widespread usage of DDT, Audubon Society ornithologists counted 25 percent more eagles per observer in 1960 than during the pre-DDT 1941 bird census. [Marvin, PH. 1964 Birds on the rise. Bull Entomol Soc Amer 10(3):184-186; Wurster, CF. 1969 Congressional Record S4599, May 5, 1969; Anon. 1942. The 42nd Annual Christmas Bird Census. Audubon Magazine 44:1-75 (Jan/Feb 1942; Cruickshank, AD (Editor). 1961. The 61st Annual Christmas Bird Census. Audubon Field Notes 15(2):84-300; White-Stevens, R.. 1972. Statistical analyses of Audubon Christmas Bird censuses. Letter to New York Times, August 15, 1972]

No significant correlation between DDE residues and shell thickness was reported in a large series of bald eagle eggs. [Postupalsky, S. 1971. (DDE residues and shell thickness). Canadian Wildlife Service manuscript, April 8, 1971]

Thickness of eggshells from Florida, Maine and Wisconsin was found to not be correlated with DDT residues.


Data from Krantz, WC. 1970. Pesticides Monitoring Journal 4(3):136-140.
State Thickness (mm) DDE residue (ppm)
Florida 0.50 About 10
Maine 0.53 About 22
Wisconsin 0.55 About 4


U.S. Forest Service studies reported an increase in nesting bald eagle productivity (51 in 1964 to 107 in 1970). [U.S. Forest Service (Milwaukee, WI). 1970. Annual Report on Bald Eagle Status]

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists fed large doses of DDT to captive bald eagles for 112 days and concluded that “DDT residues encountered by eagles in the environment would not adversely affect eagles or their eggs.” [Stickel, L. 1966. Bald eagle-pesticide relationships. Trans 31st N Amer Wildlife Conference, pp.190-200]

Wildlife authorities attributed bald eagle population reductions to a “widespread loss of suitable habitat”, but noted that “illegal shooting continues to be the leading cause of direct mortality in both adult and immature bald eagles.” [Anon.. 1978. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Endangered Species Tech Bull 3:8-9]

Every bald eagle found dead in the U.S., between 1961-1977 (266 birds) was analyzed by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists who reported no adverse effects caused by DDT or its residues. [Reichel, WL. 1969. (Pesticide residues in 45 bald eagles found dead in the U.S. 1964-1965). Pesticides Monitoring J 3(3)142-144; Belisle, AA. 1972. (Pesticide residues and PCBs and mercury, in bald eagles found dead in the U.S. 1969-1970). Pesticides Monitoring J 6(3): 133-138; Cromartie, E. 1974. (Organochlorine pesticides and PCBs in 37 bald eagles found dead in the U.S. 1971-1972). Pesticides Monitoring J 9:11-14; Coon, NC. 1970. (Causes of bald eagle mortality in the US 1960-1065). Journal of Wildlife Diseases 6:72-76]
Don't give me the crap that you care anything about the animals or environment, you 'Conservatives' have too many times said the hell with both in order for a rich man to make even more money.[/QUOTE]

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service biologists linked high intake of mercury from contaminated fish with eagle reproductive problems. [Spann, JW, RG Heath, JF Kreitzer, LN Locke. 1972. (Lethal and reproductive effects of mercury on birds) Science 175:328- 331]

The decline in the U.S. peregrine falcon population occurred long before the DDT years. [Hickey JJ. 1942. (Only 170 pairs of peregrines in eastern U.S. in 1940) Auk 59:176; Hickey JJ. 1971 Testimony at DDT hearings before EPA hearing examiner. (350 pre-DDT peregrines claimed in eastern U.S., with 28 of the females sterile); and Beebe FL. 1971. The Myth of the Vanishing Peregrine Falcon: A study in manipulation of public and official attitudes. Canadian Raptor Society Publication, 31 pages]

Peregrine falcons were deemed undesirable in the early 20th century. Dr. William Hornaday of the New York Zoological Society referred to them as birds that “deserve death, but are so rare that we need not take them into account.” [Hornaday, WT. 1913. Our Vanishing Wild Life. New York Zoological Society, p. 226]

he 1950′s and 1960′s saw continuing harassment trapping brooding birds in their nests, removing fat samples for analysis and operating time-lapse cameras beside the nests for extended periods of time), predation and habitat destruction. [Hazeltine, WE. 1972. Statement before Secretary of State's Advisory Committee on United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, March 16, 1972; Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada). Condor 70:149-153; Enderson, JH.. 1972. (Time lapse photography in peregrine nests) Living Bird 11: 113- 128; Risebrough, RW. 1970. (Organochlorines in peregrines and merlins migrating through Wisconsin). Canadian Field-Naturalist 84:247-253]

During the 1960′s, peregrines in northern Canada were “reproducing normally,” even though they contained 30 times more DDT, DDD, and DDE than the midwestern peregrines that were allegedly extirpated by those chemicals. [Enderson, JH and DD Berger. 1968. (Chlorinated hydrocarbons in peregrines from Northern Canada) Condor 70:170-178]

There was no decline in peregrine falcon pairs in Canada and Alaska between 1950 and 1967 despite the presence of DDT and DDE. [Fyfe, RW. 1959. Peregrine Falcon Populations, pp 101-114; and Fyfe, RW. 1968. Auk 85: 383-384]

The peregrine with the very highest DDT residue (2,435 parts per million) was found feeding three healthy young. [Enderson, JH. 1968. (Pesticide residues in Alaska and Yukon Territory) Auk 85: 683]

The decline in British peregrine falcons ended by 1966, though DDT was as abundant as ever. The Federal Advisory Committee on Pesticides concluded “There is no close correlation between the declines in populations of predatory birds, particularly the peregrine falcon and the sparrow hawk, and the use of DDT.” [Wilson report. 1969. Review of Organochlorine pesticides in Britain. Report by the Advisory Committee on toxic chemicals. Department of Education and Science]

Peregrine falcon and sparrow hawk egg shells thinned in Britain prior to the use of DDT. [Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210; Redcliff, DH. 1970 J Applied Biology 7:67; and Redcliff, DH. 1967. Nature 215: 208-210]

In congressional testimony, Charles Wurster, a biologist for the Environmental Defense Fund, noted the abundance of birds during the DDT years, referring to “increasing numbers of pheasants, quail, doves, turkeys and other game species.” [Wurster, C.F. 1969 Congressional Record S4599, May 5, 1969]

The Audubon Society’s annual bird census in 1960 reported that at least 26 kinds of birds became more numerous during 1941 – 1960. [See Anon. 1942. The 42nd annual Christmas bird census." Audubon Magazine 44;1-75 (Jan/Feb 1942), and Cruicjshank, AD (editor) 1961. The 61st annual Christmas bird census. Audubon Field Notes 15(2); 84-300]

Great increases inmost kinds of hawks during the DDT years were reported by the Hawk Mountain Sanctuary Association (Hawk Mountain, Pennsylvania). [Taylor, JW. Summaries of Hawk Mountain migrations of raptors, 1934 to 1970. In Hawk Mountain Sanctuary Association Newsletters]

National forest studies from Wisconsin and Michigan reported an increase in nesting osprey productivity from 11 young in 1965 to 74 young in 1970. [U.S. Forest Service, Milwaukee. 1970. Annual report on osprey status in national forests in Wisconsin and Michigan]

A study of fish-eaters at Funk Island (on the North Atlantic coast) reported that, despite diets contaminated with DDT, gannet and murres pairs increased by 1,500 percent and 10,000 percent from 1945 to the early 1970s. [Bruemmer, F. 1971. Animals Magazine, p.555, April]

Gas chromatography detected DDT in samples of wildlife and soil collected before DDT was even produced. [Scott, ML et al. 1975. Poultry Science 54: 350-368 ("Many reports relating reproductive declines of wild birds (and body stores in those birds) to DDT and DDE were based on analytical procedures that did not distinguish between DDT and PCBs."); Sherman, RW. 1973. Artifacts and mimics of DDT and other insecticides. J New York Entomol Soc 81:152-163 (Robin collected in 1938); Coon, FB. 1966. Electron capture gas chromatograph analyses of selected samples of authentic pre-DDT origin. Presented at the Conference of American Chemical Society in New York (Gibbon collected in 1935); Frazier, BE et al. 1970. Pesticides Monitoring J 4:67-70, 1970 (Soil collected in 1911); Bowman, MC et al. 1965. J Econ Entomology 58: 896-902 (Soil collected in 1940); Hom, W. 1974. Science 184:1197-1199 (1930-vintage Santa Barbara basin sediment)]

DDT was mistaken for other organochlorines. [Glotfelty, DE.. 1970. Anal Chem 42:82-84 (Misidentifications of DDT resulted from interference by "pigment-related natural products in photosynthesic tissues."); Hylin, JW. 1969. Residue Reviews 26:127 ("Organochlorine compounds in plants can cause interference in residue analyses "); Sims, JJ. 1977. Press release, June 15, 1977 (Certain marine algae produce halogen compounds that are detected by gas chromatography and may be misidentified as DDT metabolites);George JL and DEH Frear. 1966. Pesticides in the Antarctic. J Appld Ecology 3 (suppl): 155-167 (Antarctic samples of fish and birds widely touted as containing DDT residues likely contained PCBs instead that leached from the plastic containers they were stored in for 6 months prior to analysis)]

And I could go on and on and on....as usual, the facts, and observation don't match your story.

 

[SSDD]

From the grave, Stalin smiles at his star pupil Westwall. Stalin especially appreciates the way the Westwall wants scientists imprisoned if they go against TheParty. Not just scientists, of course, as Westwall desires gulags filled with liberals and other EnemiesOfTheState, all so sorely in need of forced re-education.

Westwall also craves a huge body count. Primarily brown people, but that goes along with the sick racism that has historically defined Westwall's type of authoritarianism. Let's give a few examples.

Try DDT. Westwall is furious at Rachel Carlson for saving millions of lives from malaria by way of DDT restrictions. The world correctly praises her, but Westwall rages that Carson shouldn't have saved them, since it deprived his death-cult of the blood sacrifice it constantly demands.

His more current strategy to increase the body count would be to maximize the amount of global warming. The body count he'll get that way will start slow, but it will eventually ramp up to match that of his DearLeaderStalin.

Remember, don't just laugh at deniers; look at history and understand the danger to humanity that some of them represent.

There's something seriously wrong with you. You're totally fucked in the head.

We already knew that. The claim of being ex military is an attempt to gain some self respect by associating herself with a respectable organization. She doesn't understand that the association only degrades the military....if she actually was in the military, she is a disgrace to an honorable organization.

 

[mamooth]

SSDD, you're plagiarizing by not giving your source. You're lying by pretending you read those studies, being you haven't looked at a single one. You don't even know if they exist. You just did a cut-and-paste of a load of crap from a blog. If we looked it all up, we'd find much of it is misrepresented by your liars' cult, and the rest is a big ol' cherrypicking fallacy. The world thinks your science is cult nonsense, because it is cult nonsense. And in response ... you'll tell us IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

Turn your brain on, and lose your patronizing racist assumption that tropical nations are just stupid brown people who are being duped by white liberals. Brown people do science too, they know that your science is crap and would kill millions of their citizens, so they reject it.

That's why I have to oppose you. Your crank opinions are not harmless. They would kill millions, ravage the economy, ravage the ecology. Any decent human being is morally obligated to point out your depravity and oppose the genocide you'd initiate. With the best of intentions, of course, but that doesn't make your victims any less dead.

 

[SSDD]

SSDD, you're plagiarizing by not giving your source.

The sources are the studies themselves...Which one do you think doesn't exist? You get crazier all the time fur ball...defending crick when he suggests killing off deniers...asking for sources to papers themselves...how much nuttier can you get?