Colorado, extreme weather event in progress

[RollingThunder]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events.

From a few years ago...

Flooding
(excerpts)
What the heck is it with all the floods? Just in 2007 alone, monsoons sparked catastrophic floods that displaced 10 million people in India; England and Wales saw their wettest summers ever recorded in more than two centuries of recordkeeping; China's heavy rains in early June killed 120 in flooding and landslides. And that's not all -- Mozambique, Uruguay and Sudan suffered remarkable floods, while experts warned that more extreme weather is likely to come if global warming continues unabated. The United Nations calls extreme weather a sign of global warming, and it blamed the year's record hot average global temperature for spawning flooding, deadly heat waves and wildfires. There's a 90 percent chance we'll see more frequent heavy rainfalls and heat waves this century, according to a worldwide consortium of scientists and government officials known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Already, it reports, "the frequency of heavy precipitation events has increased over most land areas." What gives? First, there's a simple principle. Warm air holds more moisture than colder air. So as the planet warms, more moisture is suspended in air... then periodically falls to the ground.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't want to speak for him but I bet he does.

The topic of this thread is, more or less, the impact of a warming climate on weather extremes.

Did you catch my use of the word "weather" in the sentence above?

Yes, we noticed that you believe a weather event is the same as climate change.

Don't be embarrassed by ESL. It's not your fault.

Why would I be embarrassed about the fact that you think a weather event proves the theory of anthropogenic global warming? Or are you claiming the flooding in Colorado isn't a weather event.

 

[bripat9643]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events

SO when we have unusually cold weather, that's just weather, but when we have unusually heavy rains, that's an "EXTREME" climate event?

You guys are kidding us with this stuff, right?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I thought the ocean ate all the Global Warming?

 

[Old Rocks]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events

SO when we have unusually cold weather, that's just weather, but when we have unusually heavy rains, that's an "EXTREME" climate event?

You guys are kidding us with this stuff, right?

Actually, and extreme cold weather event is still an extreme weather event. While I am under no illusion that the willfully ignorant will listen to this lecture by Dr. Jennifer Francis, Phd meteorologist who teachs at Rutgers University, some who are interest in some of the mechanisms creating extreme weather events may find it interesting.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRvcXUIyZg]Weather and Climate Summit - Day 5, Jennifer Francis - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mr. H.]

Before Gore the whore invented the internets, weather was just weather.

I miss the good ol' days.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, we noticed that you believe a weather event is the same as climate change.

Don't be embarrassed by ESL. It's not your fault.

Why would I be embarrassed about the fact that you think a weather event proves the theory of anthropogenic global warming? Or are you claiming the flooding in Colorado isn't a weather event.

Now we all realize that you are a bit retarded, but I will spell it out for you as simply as possible. Over a given period of time, the longer the better, we can expect, from past history, a certain number of extreme weather events. If a couple of decades have substancially more extreme weather events, then we can say that there is a very good chance that something has changed. And that is exactly what we are seeing.

 

[bripat9643]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events

SO when we have unusually cold weather, that's just weather, but when we have unusually heavy rains, that's an "EXTREME" climate event?

You guys are kidding us with this stuff, right?

Actually, and extreme cold weather event is still an extreme weather event. While I am under no illusion that the willfully ignorant will listen to this lecture by Dr. Jennifer Francis, Phd meteorologist who teachs at Rutgers University, some who are interest in some of the mechanisms creating extreme weather events may find it interesting.

Yeah . . we know. If the weather is unusually warm, that proves global warming. If the weather is unusually cold, that proves global warming. If we have a drought, that proves global warming. If we have flooding, that proves global warming. No matter what the weather does, it's proof of global warming.

You guy just don't realize what a bunch of dipstick nutburgers you sound like, do you?

 

[bripat9643]

Don't be embarrassed by ESL. It's not your fault.

Why would I be embarrassed about the fact that you think a weather event proves the theory of anthropogenic global warming? Or are you claiming the flooding in Colorado isn't a weather event.

Now we all realize that you are a bit retarded, but I will spell it out for you as simply as possible. Over a given period of time, the longer the better, we can expect, from past history, a certain number of extreme weather events. If a couple of decades have substancially more extreme weather events, then we can say that there is a very good chance that something has changed. And that is exactly what we are seeing.

ROFL! No it's not, dipstick. We are seeing few hurricanes and fewer tornadoes. Of course, you are eager to leap to a conclusion after just one flood, even though U.S. history is full of flooding events.

Face it, Chicken Little, you're a kook. You're like the guy walking in the street with the sandwich boards saying "The end is near!"

It's amazing that average Americans aren't already laughing you into hiding

 

[westwall]

Why would I be embarrassed about the fact that you think a weather event proves the theory of anthropogenic global warming? Or are you claiming the flooding in Colorado isn't a weather event.

Now we all realize that you are a bit retarded, but I will spell it out for you as simply as possible. Over a given period of time, the longer the better, we can expect, from past history, a certain number of extreme weather events. If a couple of decades have substancially more extreme weather events, then we can say that there is a very good chance that something has changed. And that is exactly what we are seeing.

ROFL! No it's not, dipstick. We are seeing few hurricanes and fewer tornadoes. Of course, you are eager to leap to a conclusion after just one flood, even though U.S. history is full of flooding events.

Face it, Chicken Little, you're a kook. You're like the guy walking in the street with the sandwich boards saying "The end is near!"

It's amazing that average Americans aren't already laughing you into hiding

Before one takes refuge in hiding one must first have a sense of shame.....these people are shameless. They have no ethics or morals.

 

[Abraham3]

If you want to think that's why we feel no need to hide, go for it.

 

[bripat9643]

If you want to think that's why we feel no need to hide, go for it.

My theory is that you're just plain stupid.

 

[Katzndogz]

The 60% increase in arctic ice, this early in winter has caused cold air to move south and collide with the warm air still lingering from summer resulting in heavy rainfall. This is the coldest summer in the arctic on record.

According to my half brother who lives in Colorado Springs and my weather wiget, the temperature in Co. Springs right now is 52F which is unusually chilly for this time of the year.

 

[peach174]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events.

From a few years ago...

Flooding
(excerpts)
What the heck is it with all the floods? Just in 2007 alone, monsoons sparked catastrophic floods that displaced 10 million people in India; England and Wales saw their wettest summers ever recorded in more than two centuries of recordkeeping; China's heavy rains in early June killed 120 in flooding and landslides. And that's not all -- Mozambique, Uruguay and Sudan suffered remarkable floods, while experts warned that more extreme weather is likely to come if global warming continues unabated. The United Nations calls extreme weather a sign of global warming, and it blamed the year's record hot average global temperature for spawning flooding, deadly heat waves and wildfires. There's a 90 percent chance we'll see more frequent heavy rainfalls and heat waves this century, according to a worldwide consortium of scientists and government officials known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Already, it reports, "the frequency of heavy precipitation events has increased over most land areas." What gives? First, there's a simple principle. Warm air holds more moisture than colder air. So as the planet warms, more moisture is suspended in air... then periodically falls to the ground.

The Colorado Flood is a 500 year event.
So does that mean we had Global Warming 500 years ago?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

AGW Cults is as in love with their CO2 Messiah/Avenging Angel as any Fundamentalist Christian Cultist loves his idea of Jesus

 

[Samson]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events.

From a few years ago...

Flooding
(excerpts)
What the heck is it with all the floods? Just in 2007 alone, monsoons sparked catastrophic floods that displaced 10 million people in India; England and Wales saw their wettest summers ever recorded in more than two centuries of recordkeeping; China's heavy rains in early June killed 120 in flooding and landslides. And that's not all -- Mozambique, Uruguay and Sudan suffered remarkable floods, while experts warned that more extreme weather is likely to come if global warming continues unabated. The United Nations calls extreme weather a sign of global warming, and it blamed the year's record hot average global temperature for spawning flooding, deadly heat waves and wildfires. There's a 90 percent chance we'll see more frequent heavy rainfalls and heat waves this century, according to a worldwide consortium of scientists and government officials known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Already, it reports, "the frequency of heavy precipitation events has increased over most land areas." What gives? First, there's a simple principle. Warm air holds more moisture than colder air. So as the planet warms, more moisture is suspended in air... then periodically falls to the ground.

The Colorado Flood is a 500 year event.
So does that mean we had Global Warming 500 years ago?

Yes, and it was caused by paleolithic indians burning Wooly Mammoths.



Huge CARBON FOOTPRINTS!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events.

From a few years ago...

Flooding
(excerpts)
What the heck is it with all the floods? Just in 2007 alone, monsoons sparked catastrophic floods that displaced 10 million people in India; England and Wales saw their wettest summers ever recorded in more than two centuries of recordkeeping; China's heavy rains in early June killed 120 in flooding and landslides. And that's not all -- Mozambique, Uruguay and Sudan suffered remarkable floods, while experts warned that more extreme weather is likely to come if global warming continues unabated. The United Nations calls extreme weather a sign of global warming, and it blamed the year's record hot average global temperature for spawning flooding, deadly heat waves and wildfires. There's a 90 percent chance we'll see more frequent heavy rainfalls and heat waves this century, according to a worldwide consortium of scientists and government officials known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Already, it reports, "the frequency of heavy precipitation events has increased over most land areas." What gives? First, there's a simple principle. Warm air holds more moisture than colder air. So as the planet warms, more moisture is suspended in air... then periodically falls to the ground.

The Colorado Flood is a 500 year event.
So does that mean we had Global Warming 500 years ago?

What an amazingly stupid question. You seem very clueless about all this.

No, numbnuts, global warming means that "500 year" floods in some places (or heatwaves or droughts in other places or intense storms) will now happen much more often, every 50 years perhaps or eventually every 5 years.

Here's an example of some of the research being done on this subject.

Increased flood risk linked to global warming
Likelihood of extreme rainfall may have been doubled by rising greenhouse-gas levels.
Nature
Quirin Schiermeier
(excerpts)
Climate change may be hitting home. Rises in global average temperature are remote from most people's experience, but two studies in this week's Nature1,2 conclude that climate warming is already causing extreme weather events that affect the lives of millions. The research directly links rising greenhouse-gas levels with the growing intensity of rain and snow in the Northern Hemisphere, and the increased risk of flooding in the United Kingdom.

 

[peach174]

The flooding in Colorado and elsewhere are just tastes of what is to come in many places around the world as the water vapor levels in the atmosphere continue to climb due to anthropogenic global warming. Water vapor levels are up over the previous pre-AGW levels by about 4% now and they will get higher as the world continues to heat up.

Of course there have always been some confluences of unusual weather conditions that produced flooding. Very rarely in most places. As a result of AGW, there are going to be more such episodes of extreme weather and continuing storms that will have more water available in the air to drop, thus creating a higher incidence of major flooding events.

From a few years ago...

Flooding
(excerpts)
What the heck is it with all the floods? Just in 2007 alone, monsoons sparked catastrophic floods that displaced 10 million people in India; England and Wales saw their wettest summers ever recorded in more than two centuries of recordkeeping; China's heavy rains in early June killed 120 in flooding and landslides. And that's not all -- Mozambique, Uruguay and Sudan suffered remarkable floods, while experts warned that more extreme weather is likely to come if global warming continues unabated. The United Nations calls extreme weather a sign of global warming, and it blamed the year's record hot average global temperature for spawning flooding, deadly heat waves and wildfires. There's a 90 percent chance we'll see more frequent heavy rainfalls and heat waves this century, according to a worldwide consortium of scientists and government officials known as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Already, it reports, "the frequency of heavy precipitation events has increased over most land areas." What gives? First, there's a simple principle. Warm air holds more moisture than colder air. So as the planet warms, more moisture is suspended in air... then periodically falls to the ground.

The Colorado Flood is a 500 year event.
So does that mean we had Global Warming 500 years ago?

What an amazingly stupid question. You seem very clueless about all this.

No, numbnuts, global warming means that "500 year" floods in some places (or heatwaves or droughts in other places or intense storms) will now happen much more often, every 50 years perhaps or eventually every 5 years.

Here's an example of some of the research being done on this subject.

Increased flood risk linked to global warming
Likelihood of extreme rainfall may have been doubled by rising greenhouse-gas levels.
Nature
Quirin Schiermeier
(excerpts)
Climate change may be hitting home. Rises in global average temperature are remote from most people's experience, but two studies in this week's Nature1,2 conclude that climate warming is already causing extreme weather events that affect the lives of millions. The research directly links rising greenhouse-gas levels with the growing intensity of rain and snow in the Northern Hemisphere, and the increased risk of flooding in the United Kingdom.

I see that you don't understand Satire.

The Twentieth Century Reanalysis Project is the latest attempt to find out more about extreme climate change, using super-computers to generate a dataset of global atmospheric circulation from 1871 to the present.

As it happens, the project's initial findings...show no evidence of an intensifying weather trend. "In the climate models, the extremes get more extreme as we move into a doubled CO2 world in 100 years," atmospheric scientist Gilbert Compo, one of the researchers on the project, says from his office at the University of Colorado, Boulder. "So we were surprised that none of the three major indices of climate variability that we used show a trend of increased circulation going back to 1871."

In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. "There's no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather," adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher."

 

[Abraham3]

How many models had predicted a discernible increase in weather extremes at this point in time? I think none. Mensurate increases in weather extremes will not occur for several more decades, even if the current hiatus ended immediately.

That is not to say we have not experienced an increase. It is just that, at present, it is very, very small. Certainly still within normal variation.

I'm a lot more concerned about sea level rise. With trapped solar heat currently being shuttled into the deep ocean, I don't think the currently high rate of rise is going to settle down for some time. And a rising ocean increases the chance that sea water is going to get under those extensive areas of Antarctica where the bedrock is actually below sea level. We could have absolutely catastrophic breakup of the West Antarctic ice sheet and see a sea level rise of feet virtually overnight.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Remember how right after Katrina they told us these cat 5 hurricanes were going to be frequent visitors to our shores