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Bull Shit total bull shit
Is this your ignorant way of saying you can't dispute the links.
The numbers are there. They either right or wrong.
Does putting it in large font make you feel better ?
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Bull Shit total bull shit
you haven't any actual proof that illegales are on health care ... all you have is some rignwingnutcase blogger telling you this total bull shit ... there hasn't been any actual proof telling us deifferent... tell us your source and that will pretty much say rightwingnutcase ...
you haven't any actual proof that illegales are on health care ... all you have is some rignwingnutcase blogger telling you this total bull shit ... there hasn't been any actual proof telling us deifferent... tell us your source and that will pretty much say rightwingnutcase ...
The contention is that Obama and co. were claiming illegals in their numbers of uninsured.
So I can't really get why you are looking for proof they are on health care. Unless it is because you are drinking.
Here is Reuters explaining it:
UPDATE 1-Obama changes talking points on uninsured | Reuters
Tucked into President Barack Obama's speech to the U.S. Congress was a new talking point -- that his aim is to get health insurance for 30 million uninsured people, not 46 million.
"There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage," Obama said on Wednesday. Back in August, he had said: "We've got 46-47 million people without health insurance in our country."
Why the change?
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama was making the point that under his plan, illegal immigrants would not get health insurance.
"The proposal that the president outlined covers American citizens," Gibbs told reporters. "His plan would not cover illegal immigrants."
The U.S. Census Bureau said in a report on Thursday that the number of people in the United States without health insurance rose to 46.3 million in 2008 from 45.7 million a year earlier.
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This totally supports the OP's claim.
Even after this came out....liberal senators like Barbara "Bullshit" Boxer were still saying 50 million. This was even after Obama had modified his numbers.
This was because it is easier to sell it on 50 million instead of 30 million even though you know it is a total lie.
you haven't any actual proof that illegales are on health care ... all you have is some rignwingnutcase blogger telling you this total bull shit ... there hasn't been any actual proof telling us deifferent... tell us your source and that will pretty much say rightwingnutcase ...
The contention is that Obama and co. were claiming illegals in their numbers of uninsured.
So I can't really get why you are looking for proof they are on health care. Unless it is because you are drinking.
Here is Reuters explaining it:
UPDATE 1-Obama changes talking points on uninsured | Reuters
Tucked into President Barack Obama's speech to the U.S. Congress was a new talking point -- that his aim is to get health insurance for 30 million uninsured people, not 46 million.
"There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage," Obama said on Wednesday. Back in August, he had said: "We've got 46-47 million people without health insurance in our country."
Why the change?
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama was making the point that under his plan, illegal immigrants would not get health insurance.
"The proposal that the president outlined covers American citizens," Gibbs told reporters. "His plan would not cover illegal immigrants."
The U.S. Census Bureau said in a report on Thursday that the number of people in the United States without health insurance rose to 46.3 million in 2008 from 45.7 million a year earlier.
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This totally supports the OP's claim.
Even after this came out....liberal senators like Barbara "Bullshit" Boxer were still saying 50 million. This was even after Obama had modified his numbers.
This was because it is easier to sell it on 50 million instead of 30 million even though you know it is a total lie.
THANK YOU!!!
And as I've written countless times the Census ALSO admits that:
"In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)."
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
"UnderReports the 14 million that QUALIFIED for Medicaid BEFORE ACA was passed!
So the inept CMS that manages Medicaid couldn't find 14 million people that the CENSUS stated were at poverty levels that qualified for Medicaid!
Does that sound like a group that should THEN be responsible for 1/6th of the economy?
Subtract then the 14 million that due to the ineptness of CMS are eligible all need to do is register then there AREN'T 36 million uninsured.. but
now 22 MILLION!
Then as I've often written why were 18 million under 34 that refuse employers' health plan as they pay out of their own pocket for medical services less..
WHY were they bogusly counted as "uninsured"? The true number therefore of those that wanted, but couldn't get health insurance is less then 4 million!!
NOT 46 million! Not 36 million! NOT 22 million! But 4 million!
Do you think ACA would have even got to the Congress if the majority of Americans KNEW that 46 million was a bull shit NUMBER?
I know you know that by your comment!
Thanks AGAIN!!!
The contention is that Obama and co. were claiming illegals in their numbers of uninsured.
So I can't really get why you are looking for proof they are on health care. Unless it is because you are drinking.
Here is Reuters explaining it:
UPDATE 1-Obama changes talking points on uninsured | Reuters
Tucked into President Barack Obama's speech to the U.S. Congress was a new talking point -- that his aim is to get health insurance for 30 million uninsured people, not 46 million.
"There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage," Obama said on Wednesday. Back in August, he had said: "We've got 46-47 million people without health insurance in our country."
Why the change?
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama was making the point that under his plan, illegal immigrants would not get health insurance.
"The proposal that the president outlined covers American citizens," Gibbs told reporters. "His plan would not cover illegal immigrants."
The U.S. Census Bureau said in a report on Thursday that the number of people in the United States without health insurance rose to 46.3 million in 2008 from 45.7 million a year earlier.
*********************
This totally supports the OP's claim.
Even after this came out....liberal senators like Barbara "Bullshit" Boxer were still saying 50 million. This was even after Obama had modified his numbers.
This was because it is easier to sell it on 50 million instead of 30 million even though you know it is a total lie.
THANK YOU!!!
And as I've written countless times the Census ALSO admits that:
"In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)."
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
"UnderReports the 14 million that QUALIFIED for Medicaid BEFORE ACA was passed!
So the inept CMS that manages Medicaid couldn't find 14 million people that the CENSUS stated were at poverty levels that qualified for Medicaid!
Does that sound like a group that should THEN be responsible for 1/6th of the economy?
Subtract then the 14 million that due to the ineptness of CMS are eligible all need to do is register then there AREN'T 36 million uninsured.. but
now 22 MILLION!
Then as I've often written why were 18 million under 34 that refuse employers' health plan as they pay out of their own pocket for medical services less..
WHY were they bogusly counted as "uninsured"? The true number therefore of those that wanted, but couldn't get health insurance is less then 4 million!!
NOT 46 million! Not 36 million! NOT 22 million! But 4 million!
Do you think ACA would have even got to the Congress if the majority of Americans KNEW that 46 million was a bull shit NUMBER?
I know you know that by your comment!
Thanks AGAIN!!!
You'll notice that Billy didn't produce any numbers...just large font flailing.
I appreciate that someone came to the thread....just wish they try to actually address the premises of your numbers so we can see if the libs really do have a case for Obummercare.
Your original comment is right on and it is a shame that we didn't address the needs of 5 million by screwing with the health care of 320 million.
But the left has it's latent wants anyway.
I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.
After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.
I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!
There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!
HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!
Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
So it was 253.6 million with health insurance. In 2009, the US population was 306.27 million people.The number of people with health insurance decreased from 255.1 million in 2008 to 253.6 million in 2009.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p60-238.pdf
I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.
After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.
I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!
There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!
HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!
Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Here's your source:
So it was 253.6 million with health insurance. In 2009, the US population was 306.27 million people.The number of people with health insurance decreased from 255.1 million in 2008 to 253.6 million in 2009.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p60-238.pdf
https://www.census.gov/popest/data/state/totals/2009/tables/NA-EST2009-01.xls
That 's a difference of about 52 million. Well above your 36 million.
We do count legal immigrants in our census information. But they don't make up that large a group. In 2009 they represented about 1.13 million people.
https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/lpr_fr_2009.pdf
That's the family sponsored legal immigrants, the folks brought over by companies for employment, the refugees seeking asylum, all of them. Even if every single one didn't have insurance, your numbers wouldn't work. And there's nothing to indicate their rate of insurance coverage is any different than the general population. So with about 85% coverage that is typical for other US residents, that would mean that about 170,000 didn't have coverage.
58 times less than you estimated.
Which I would categorize as grossly inaccurate.
I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.
After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.
I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!
There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!
HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!
Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Here's your source:
So it was 253.6 million with health insurance. In 2009, the US population was 306.27 million people.The number of people with health insurance decreased from 255.1 million in 2008 to 253.6 million in 2009.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p60-238.pdf
https://www.census.gov/popest/data/state/totals/2009/tables/NA-EST2009-01.xls
That 's a difference of about 52 million. Well above your 36 million.
We do count legal immigrants in our census information. But they don't make up that large a group. In 2009 they represented about 1.13 million people.
https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/lpr_fr_2009.pdf
That's the family sponsored legal immigrants, the folks brought over by companies for employment, the refugees seeking asylum, all of them. Even if every single one didn't have insurance, your numbers wouldn't work. And there's nothing to indicate their rate of insurance coverage is any different than the general population. So with about 85% coverage that is typical for other US residents, that would mean that about 170,000 didn't have coverage.
58 times less than you estimated.
Which I would categorize as grossly inaccurate.
OP- How many times do we have to end this idiocy lol?
Don't want to get insurance? NO MORE FREELOADERS!!
10 million illegals included? They pay taxes, own homes- PASS IMMIGRATION REFORM WITH A GOOD SS WORK ID CARD!!!
OP- How many times do we have to end this idiocy lol?
Don't want to get insurance? NO MORE FREELOADERS!!
10 million illegals included? They pay taxes, own homes- PASS IMMIGRATION REFORM WITH A GOOD SS WORK ID CARD!!!
OK let's buy your premise... Don't want insurance.. NO MORE FREELOADERS... FRANCO.. how many are in that category?? 18 million!
Franco.. 10 million are NOT citizens so when Obama said:
I dont have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans dont have health insurance coverage today.
HE WAS LYING! 10 million counted as UNINSURED WERE NOT AMERICANS!
Finally FRANCO ADMIT it this administration can't handle anything obviously and proof is the 14 million people the administration have let
slip through the crack that qualify for Medicaid! They were already eligible why weren't they enrolled except through gross ineptness of Obama!
FRANCO the facts are
1) 10 million were counted but not Americans when Obama used the 46 million and NOW he backs down on that!
2) 14 million should have been enrolled but the inefficiency of Medicaid slipped through the crack! Tell me how good would ACA be using this example!
3) 18 million don't want and don't need to buy health insurance so why are you forcing them if there are only 5 million that truly want and need?
Do you get it???
There never were 46 million uninsured AMericans!
This is simple I guess you are such a simpleton you still don't get it!
OP- How many times do we have to end this idiocy lol?
Don't want to get insurance? NO MORE FREELOADERS!!
10 million illegals included? They pay taxes, own homes- PASS IMMIGRATION REFORM WITH A GOOD SS WORK ID CARD!!!