Communist is the worst idea ever invented and yet it is believed in by millions

[Soupnazi630]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

 

[danielpalos]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

 

[Soupnazi630]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

 

[danielpalos]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

Which minorities are being rounded up?

The wall will probably not work but integrity of the border and enforcing law is a legititmate function of government. Handouts in the name of humanitarian interests is not

 

[danielpalos]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

Which minorities are being rounded up?

The wall will probably not work but integrity of the border and enforcing law is a legititmate function of government. Handouts in the name of humanitarian interests is not

People from south of the border? Right-wingers only seem to complain about them the most.

And, there is no express Immigration clause in our federal Constitution. Be legal to the laws, right-wingers, not just plain practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy (unto God) upon the less fortunate.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

Which minorities are being rounded up?

The wall will probably not work but integrity of the border and enforcing law is a legititmate function of government. Handouts in the name of humanitarian interests is not

People from south of the border? Right-wingers only seem to complain about them the most.

And, there is no express Immigration clause in our federal Constitution. Be legal to the laws, right-wingers, not just plain practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy (unto God) upon the less fortunate.

Those are criminals whether minorities or not. being a minority does not give one a pass to break the law. The law is not limited to the constitution. Your idea of god has nothing to do with this and being less fortunate does not justify criminals behavior nor does it cause criminal behavior.

Stop supporting illegals you hypocrite

 

[danielpalos]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

Which minorities are being rounded up?

The wall will probably not work but integrity of the border and enforcing law is a legititmate function of government. Handouts in the name of humanitarian interests is not

People from south of the border? Right-wingers only seem to complain about them the most.

And, there is no express Immigration clause in our federal Constitution. Be legal to the laws, right-wingers, not just plain practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy (unto God) upon the less fortunate.

Those are criminals whether minorities or not. being a minority does not give one a pass to break the law. The law is not limited to the constitution. Your idea of god has nothing to do with this and being less fortunate does not justify criminals behavior nor does it cause criminal behavior.

Stop supporting illegals you hypocrite

You only claim that because they are poor and in the minority.

And, you are the hypocrite because you can't show us any Immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

Which minorities are being rounded up?

The wall will probably not work but integrity of the border and enforcing law is a legititmate function of government. Handouts in the name of humanitarian interests is not

People from south of the border? Right-wingers only seem to complain about them the most.

And, there is no express Immigration clause in our federal Constitution. Be legal to the laws, right-wingers, not just plain practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy (unto God) upon the less fortunate.

Those are criminals whether minorities or not. being a minority does not give one a pass to break the law. The law is not limited to the constitution. Your idea of god has nothing to do with this and being less fortunate does not justify criminals behavior nor does it cause criminal behavior.

Stop supporting illegals you hypocrite

You only claim that because they are poor and in the minority.

And, you are the hypocrite because you can't show us any Immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

You are a liar. I state fact because it is fact.

No You are the hypocrite, you are also a proven liar and uneducated fucking fool.

I never said there was such a clause.

 

[daveman]

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

Unfortunately, you are speaking to an uneducated fool who doesn't understand a word you are saying. He's got a tattoo on the palm of one hand, "Capitalism, good" "Communism, bad" that he can glance at any time a political discussion arises. He has no idea of what philosophy goes into each of them or how many different ways they can be applied.

And yet, oddly, with all the ways Communism can be applied, it always winds up with tyranny and oppression.

Some people think that's a success. Some people are retarded.

Well, isn't Capitalism the same?

Hasn't the US pounded on a lot of people? Still does.

News flash, dumbass: Capitalism isn't government.

You need to stop now. Although it doesn't look like you mind looking retarded.

 

[daveman]

1) Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

2) Let's not give it another chance.

1) That is a vast exaggeration. I support Leon Trotsky, thus I oppose Totalitarian Communism. But these numbers are vastly exaggerated.

2) Positive Rights to food, shelter, and medical care are important.

1) No exaggeration. If anything, it's low. Your acceptance is neither sought nor required.

Communist Body Count​

149,469,610​

2) Then you support slavery. Good job.

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

Deflection noted and discarded. You picked the wrong side, retard.

 

[daveman]

1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.

Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.

Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.

There is no rational way to make the case for Communism, unless you want millions more people dead.

Yeah, I'm quite sure from your perspective, and your level of thinking, that is the case.

One of us is thinking.

Hint: It's not you.

 

[daveman]

Well, isn't Capitalism the same?

Hasn't the US pounded on a lot of people? Still does.

That's an understatement. Half of Asia, much of Africa, all of the Middle East, virtually every nook and cranny in Latin America and the Carib.

So that makes the millions killed by Communism okay?

Every defense you retards make simply means you don't mind mass graves being filled.

 

[daveman]

1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.

Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.

Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.

An accurate statement with more understanding than you possess. You are NOT better educated informed or enlightened about this subject you are strictly spi8uting knee jerk talking points

So, are you saying that if something doesn't work, it should never be tried again? Should never be improved upon?

Also you're missing the FACT that China is rising, Vietnam is rising, Laos is doing much better than before, all with Socialism.

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

Vietnam's annual growth has been above 5% since 2000.

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

2019 was the first time this century that Laos' has been below 5% at 4.6%.

And China is in a similar situation.

Facts suggest that you're wrong.

You don't have to keep saying you support slavery and organ harvesting from political prisoners. We already know.

 

[daveman]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

 

[daveman]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

Indeed not. You demand slavery to an all-powerful government.

 

[daveman]

How many native Americans died with no communism involved?

And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!

None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you

In the name of What, were they committed?

Racism

Are right wingers just plain false witness bearing hypocrites regarding natural rights?

You are

Right wingers run a wide spectrum of beliefs some good some bad some true some false.

I am not the one rounding up poverty stricken minorities or trying to build walls instead of come up with better humanitarian solutions.

Which minorities are being rounded up?

The wall will probably not work but integrity of the border and enforcing law is a legititmate function of government. Handouts in the name of humanitarian interests is not

People from south of the border? Right-wingers only seem to complain about them the most.

And, there is no express Immigration clause in our federal Constitution. Be legal to the laws, right-wingers, not just plain practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy (unto God) upon the less fortunate.

Those are criminals whether minorities or not. being a minority does not give one a pass to break the law. The law is not limited to the constitution. Your idea of god has nothing to do with this and being less fortunate does not justify criminals behavior nor does it cause criminal behavior.

Stop supporting illegals you hypocrite

You only claim that because they are poor and in the minority.

And, you are the hypocrite because you can't show us any Immigration clause in our federal Constitution.

Dear Diary:

Today I learned there is no such thing as immigration law, and therefore nobody can break it. People can just cross the border with no repercussions.

Of course, it was a Commie retard who said that, so take it for what it's worth. Nothing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why do Progressives never have a bad word to say about Communism or mankind's most prolific mass murders, all Communists?

Because communism has never killed anyone.
Stalin was not a communist, but a capitalist bank robber, who infiltrated the Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, killed them all, took over, and implemented state capitalism instead.

Look at the characteristics. Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and the way humans normally treat each other in small social groups like families, clubs, tribes, etc.
Those who think communism implies a large centralized state, simply do not know anything about communism.
And what Stalin implemented was not at all collaborative, cooperative, communal, or voluntary.
It was forced, state, capitalism, with purely a profit motive for the ruling elite.

Communism has killed un toldf tens of millions.

Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

Communism is totalitarian and never cooperative or communial or cllobaorative,

It is you who grapss nothing about communism and is ignorant of it.

Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Do you think Stalin gave a damn about Communism at all? What did Stalin do that was either Communist or pushing for Communism?

He was a communist through and through. he etablished the comintern specifically for the purpose of spreading communism world wide just as Marx required communism to work. He forced the entire nation to work and live in accordance with his interpretation of Marx which is precisely what the dictatorship of the proletariate is meant to do.

Well, the Comintern was established in 1919 before Stalin was a major force. Stalin was on the delegate's list, but it's not known if he actually went.

Stalin was one of those guys who'd use the system he was in in order to gain the power he wanted. Nothing seems to suggest he was a Communist.

Even the early Communists in Russia thought he might be an agent provocateur.The proven worldwide railure of socialism

Everything proves he was a communist inclluding his own admission.

Yeah, only if you see things in simple.

You mean seeing things clearly without denial

The problem is you think you're seeing things clearly, but mostly this is because you don't actually bother looking at much.

I look at it all you selectively ignore what is inconvenient.

Such as?

The fact that Stalin was a communist

Ah, so, what we seem to be dealing with is this sort of "fact" that most people "know", but haven't actually thought about.

Why, exactly, was Stalin a Communist? Just because he was leader of the USSR?

Because he stated he was and enforced communism on people as envisioned by marx. He followed the play book as directed.

So, if North Korea says it's democracy, IT'S DEMOCRATIC?????

What you have to remember about people and politics is they'll say anything and pretend to be anything to get power.

Try the anti-gay politician caught having gay sex.

Anti-LGBT politician 'caught having sex with a man in his office' facing 30 accusations of sexual misconduct

Ohio state legislator resigns after witness reports extramarital affair to House Chief of Staff

www.independent.co.uk

"Wes Goodman: Anti-LGBT Republican politician 'caught having sex with man in his office' facing 30 sexual misconduct accusations"

Try Xi Jinping who was sent to the countryside under Mao and ran away. He literally ran away from Communism. But he wanted power, and in a one party state, if you want power, you go to the party.

The cave the Chinese president called home

The Chinese president spent his formative years living in a cave in a backwater village. Now, it is being transformed into a theme park-style tourist attraction, as the Chinese leader’s past is used to legitimise Communist Party rule

s.telegraph.co.uk

"Xi Jinping has said that he experienced his political awakening when he was “sent down” to Liangjiahe in Shaanxi province,"

"But the misery of life in the impoverished village of a few dozen houses was too much for the 15-year-old Xi. Longing for his home comforts, he escaped."

People will pretend to be anything. China still has Mao on its banknotes. You have to wonder why, when it was DengXiaoPing who set up the modern China, not Mao. Mao tried to destroy China.

But he didn't enforce Communism as Marx envisioned at all.

Marxism was a classless society.

The USSR clearly had some people more equal than others.

He did enforce communism as envisioned. Marxism calls for a classless society at the end which of course is never reached in reality. However Marxism calls for and demands a new arrangement of class in society before the end is reached. That is why it calls for a dictatorship of the proletariate. Marx clearly stated despotism would be necessary while striving to reach that end. Stalin merely provided the dictatorship while striving for thaty end exactly as Marx demanded.

Once again commubnism is not the end result it is the revolution and ideology to reach that result.

Any evidence that what Stalin was doing was moving towards Communism, rather than Stalin just being in power and doing whatever he liked?

The two are the same so yes

Oh jeez. Are we really debating on such a low level?

You don't know what Communism is, do you?

You think that what you saw from the USSR, without even understand that country, is "Communism". Oh dear.

I do know what it is you lack comprehension.

I understand it better than you.

People who defend communism or apologize for it as you are doing ALWAYS have massive hubris claiming they know better when in fact you are ignoerant as hell

"I do know what it is you lack comprehension." You're right. I totally don't comprehend this sentence. Something's missing.

"I do know what it is you lack: comprehension" seems to work fine. Grammar.....

So, let's work from the hypothesis that you know better than me.

So, tell me, what is Communism? (and don't do the "I don't need to tell you, go look it up for yourself" bullshit, it's embarrassing to see people do that).

Communism is an ideology first espoused by Karl Marx. It demands that a revolution be accomplished with violence by first stealing the means of production from the owners. Which of course means destrpoying the means of production. This is followed by or accompanied by overthrowing the government and estsblishing a despotic dictatorship over all people.Ultimately this dictatorship will cheerfully disband and whither away when it is no longer needed and all people will happliy live in a state of perpetual slavery.

Marx believed this was inevitable based on his stupid and highly innacurate critique of capitalism but his followers in the twentieth century adjusted it to force the revolution.n Much the same way foolowers of christianity start new religions with slight adjustments in the details but the same basic gods.

Where does it say they should establish "a despotic dictatorship"?

There's the term "dictatorship of the proletariat", but this only means a Socialist state. It doesn't determine whether this is a "despotic dictatorship" or a full on democracy.

"The term dictatorship indicates full control of the means of production by the state apparatus."

Dictatorship of the proletariat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[frigidweirdo]

1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.

Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.

Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.

An accurate statement with more understanding than you possess. You are NOT better educated informed or enlightened about this subject you are strictly spi8uting knee jerk talking points

So, are you saying that if something doesn't work, it should never be tried again? Should never be improved upon?

Also you're missing the FACT that China is rising, Vietnam is rising, Laos is doing much better than before, all with Socialism.

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

Vietnam's annual growth has been above 5% since 2000.

World Bank Open Data

Free and open access to global development data

data.worldbank.org

2019 was the first time this century that Laos' has been below 5% at 4.6%.

And China is in a similar situation.

Facts suggest that you're wrong.

I am saying the definition of insanity is trying the same bad idea over and over expecting different results.

Yes we do not try horrific ideas such as naziism again and for good reason. No human should ever try communism again for the exact same reason. It never works, never will and always fails.

You are quite wrong. Those natons are rising because they reluctantly allowed capitalism to grow. Until then they were failures in every respect.

Facts prove me right.

Yes, the definition of insanity is to do "the same bad idea" over and over.

Are you suggesting China is doing the same thing as the USSR?

I mean, the Chinese state 2021 and the USSR are two very, VERY different places. It's not the same thing. Same with Vietnam and Laos.

So, they're not doing the same bad idea over and over. People have changed the way Socialism is seen and they're potentially improving it.

Yes, Vietnam and China are using Capitalism. As in, they've taken an idea and they're adapting to it. They're not full Capitalist, they're not full Socialist. They're doing something different. But that doesn't mean they're not working toward Communism (doesn't mean they are either.)

 

[frigidweirdo]

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

Unfortunately, you are speaking to an uneducated fool who doesn't understand a word you are saying. He's got a tattoo on the palm of one hand, "Capitalism, good" "Communism, bad" that he can glance at any time a political discussion arises. He has no idea of what philosophy goes into each of them or how many different ways they can be applied.

And yet, oddly, with all the ways Communism can be applied, it always winds up with tyranny and oppression.

Some people think that's a success. Some people are retarded.

Well, isn't Capitalism the same?

Hasn't the US pounded on a lot of people? Still does.

No it is not and the US pounding on others is a government not capitalism

Then the same would be said about Communism. It's a GOVERNMENT pounding on people, killing people, not COMMUNISM.

You can't have it both ways.

The same would not be said about communism as it is specifcally and explicitly designed to do those things where other governments are not.

Well, the problem is Capitalist countries kill.

Capitalist companies would be willing to kill people for profit, or destroy their local area for profit. We've seen it time and time and time again.