Condemning communism

[bripat9643]

I've been asking for their definition of communism throughout the entire thread. None has been forthcoming, even though the term was used six (6) times in the OP. When definitions are different, communication breaks down.

They don't even know what they're talking about, even though the definition of the word isn't exactly difficult to find. They just spit the word out without thinking, like a weird Trumpster Tourette's.

Modern day Archie Bunkers, nothing more.

The problem with the definition of communism is that every leftwinger has a different definition of the term. The real definition is where the state runs all productive enterprises and owns all property.

It's really quit simple once you blow away all the leftwing smoke on the issue.

 

[Mac1958]

The problem with the definition of communism is that every leftwinger has a different definition of the term. The real definition is where the state runs all productive enterprises and owns all property.

It's really quit simple once you blow away all the leftwing smoke on the issue.

It's a bit more than that. The government owns all productive enterprises as well.

So, I'm sure now you can point out many examples of Democrats and Democratic politicians advancing communism.

Go ahead.

 

[bripat9643]

It's a bit more than that. The government owns all productive enterprises as well.

So, I'm sure now you can point out many examples of Democrats and Democratic politicians advancing communism.

Go ahead.

Every Democrat administration has advanced it, starting with Wilson.

 

[Mac1958]

Every Democrat administration has advanced it, starting with Wilson.

Holy crap.

Examples, please. Particularly modern day.

 

[dblack]

It's a bit more than that. The government owns all productive enterprises as well.

So, I'm sure now you can point out many examples of Democrats and Democratic politicians advancing communism.

Go ahead.

Well, let's look at the hit list of targets for advancing communism (from the Communist Manifesto):

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.

How many of the above are, or have been, promoted by Democrats?

 

[Mac1958]

Well, let's look at the hit list of targets for advancing communism (from the Communist Manifesto):



How many of the above are, or have been, promoted by Democrats?

I don't know. Examples, please.

 

[dblack]

I don't know. Examples, please.

Not really interested in putting that much work into it.

Are you denying that Dems pursue any of those goals?

 

[bripat9643]

Holy crap.

Examples, please. Particularly modern day.

ROFL. Ever heard of war socialism? That was a Wilson policy. During the war the government controlled every major industry. They even schedule the trains. Wilson also passed the income tax and created the Federal Reserve.

 

[Mac1958]

Not really interested in putting that much work into it.

Are you denying that Dems pursue any of those goals?

The Dems are not after government ownership and control of all production and distribution.

The Dems are to the Left of the GOP on the continuum that is the scale, scope and cost of government. That's it.

 

[Mac1958]

ROFL. Ever heard of war socialism? That was a Wilson policy. During the war the government controlled every major industry. They even schedule the trains. Wilson also passed the income tax and created the Federal Reserve.

So, no modern-day examples.

Why do you even post to me, knowing that you're not going to back up your words?

 

[dblack]

The Dems are not after government ownership and control of all production and distribution.

Right. They just promote the inroads that communists claim will lead to communism.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't know. Examples, please.

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

 

[Mac1958]

Right. They just promote the inroads that communists claim will lead to communism.

Sure, okay.

 

[dblack]

Sure, okay.

It is ok with Democrats, that's the problem.

 

[Mr Natural]

The Dems are to the Left of the GOP on the continuum that is the scale, scope and cost of government. That's it.

But anything to the left of the GOP is communism.

 

[bripat9643]

So, no modern-day examples.

Why do you even post to me, knowing that you're not going to back up your words?

Just look at Bidens so-called "infrastructure" bill.

Why do you always lie?

 

[Mac1958]

But anything to the left of the GOP is communism.

Yep. As we see here.

Incredible.

 

[Mac1958]

Just look at Bidens so-called "infrastructure" bill.

Why do you always lie?

The infrastructure bill creates government-owned production and distribution?

Capitalism has been removed in this bill?

Link, please.

 

[Mr Natural]

Yep. As we see here.

Incredible.

Well, they do tend to be binary thinkers afterall.

 

[sartre play]

The 50s are back in full force, look out!