confederate flag vs. health care for the mentally ill

[featherlite]

which is the true issue in sc...the confederate flag or the lack of good mental health care in the u.s.


i say the latter....that the confederate flag is just an issue of distraction

no need to pick and choose... that flag has no place on our government buildings, either way.

It is flying on the confederate memorial, not on the state house.

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

It has no place blatantly flying on any gov buildings but it is part of history.. this ^^^ seems like a reasonable compromise.
You cant pound into people "never forget the past" then turn around and erase everything offensive.

No one really knows how to deal with random violence by a disturbed person, so each time something like this happens, people choose something concrete and make new laws.
Roof would have just chosen another hateful symbol to do his "deed".
The flag isn't the main issue at all.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

which is the true issue in sc...the confederate flag or the lack of good mental health care in the u.s.


i say the latter....that the confederate flag is just an issue of distraction

no need to pick and choose... that flag has no place on our government buildings, either way.

It is flying on the confederate memorial, not on the state house.

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

If you Democrats want to take down your flag because you're ashamed of your past it represents, vaya con dios. I won't stand in your way.

 

[jknowgood]

which is the true issue in sc...the confederate flag or the lack of good mental health care in the u.s.


i say the latter....that the confederate flag is just an issue of distraction

no need to pick and choose... that flag has no place on our government buildings, either way.

It is flying on the confederate memorial, not on the state house.

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

 

[paddymurphy]

no need to pick and choose... that flag has no place on our government buildings, either way.

It is flying on the confederate memorial, not on the state house.

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

 

[paddymurphy]

no need to pick and choose... that flag has no place on our government buildings, either way.

It is flying on the confederate memorial, not on the state house.

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

If you Democrats want to take down your flag because you're ashamed of your past it represents, vaya con dios. I won't stand in your way.

Good. Shut up about it then.

 

[jknowgood]

It is flying on the confederate memorial, not on the state house.

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

 

[paddymurphy]

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

It is flying on the confederate memorial, not on the state house.

It is flying on the grounds of the state Capitol.

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

If you Democrats want to take down your flag because you're ashamed of your past it represents, vaya con dios. I won't stand in your way.

Good. Shut up about it then.

I would if you racists weren't so busy trying to make your past our past.

 

[Lakhota]

which is the true issue in sc...the confederate flag or the lack of good mental health care in the u.s.


i say the latter....that the confederate flag is just an issue of distraction

They should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Two issues ain't the difficult.

 

[paddymurphy]

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

From an article about the removal of the flag in 2000. Not a word about a memorial to African Americans.

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S.C. Lawmakers OK Rebel Flag Plan
May 19, 2000|From Associated Press

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COLUMBIA, S.C. — Ending months of fierce debate, the South Carolina Legislature approved a compromise plan Thursday to move the Confederate flag from the Statehouse dome to a monument on the grounds.

The bill goes to Democratic Gov. Jim Hodges, who said he would sign it. The flag will come down July 1.

"I hope this represents the last battle of the Civil War," said Democratic state Sen. Dick Elliott.

South Carolina is the only state that still flies the flag, with its blue cross with white stars on a red background, above its statehouse.

It was hoisted in 1962 to commemorate the Civil War centennial, though critics say it was a gesture of defiance toward the civil rights movement. In 1995, the Legislature gave itself sole power to take the flag down.

The agreement that passed Thursday came after months of debate, marches and demonstrations that attracted thousands of flag supporters and opponents to the Statehouse. Supporters say it is an important part of the state's heritage; opponents say it represents slavery and racism.

The fervor is far from over. The National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People opposes moving the flag to a monument on Statehouse grounds, which it contends is still too prominent a place, and has said it will continue its 5-month-old tourism boycott of the state.

"The governor and the Legislature have taken a political position. The NAACP has a principled position," said Kweisi Mfume, president of the the civil rights group. "To take it from the top of the dome, where you had to strain to see it, and move it to a place where anyone coming down the main street will see it is an insult."

As for the NAACP boycott, Hodges said: "Well, I think that's going to fizzle."

The plan would move the flag to a 30-foot flagpole at a monument to Confederate War dead on the Statehouse grounds.

"I hope it brings finality. I hope it brings healing," said state Sen. Tom Moore, a Democrat who helped broker the deal.

 

[jknowgood]

It is flying on a confederate memorial on state house grounds. Part of the compromise that took it off the state house, was building a memorial for black people. So, if the flag goes, only fair the black memorial should go to? Right?

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

Just goes to prove never trust a leftist

 

[paddymurphy]

They are not removing the memorial, just the hateful, racist symbol. That you would think that removing a flag from a memorial should result in the entire memorial to African Americans being removed is idiotic.

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

I did. I posted an article about it. Nothing about a memorial. The NAACP opposed the movement of the flag to the memorial. They wanted then what most decent people want now, the flag of traitors and racists off state grounds.

 

[paddymurphy]

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

I did. I posted an article about it. Nothing about a memorial. The NAACP opposed the movement of the flag to the memorial. They wanted then what most decent people want now, the flag of traitors and racists off state grounds.

Here is another one.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — In a historic move, South Carolina's House of Representatives voted Wednesday night to remove the Confederate battle flag from atop the Statehouse dome.

After 12 hours of debate Wednesday and five hours on Tuesday, the Republican-controlled House voted, 63 to 56, to accept a Senate compromise that would remove the flag July 1 and place it in a high-profile spot near the Confederate Soldiers Monument on the Statehouse grounds. Because of technical changes House members made concerning lighting and the height of the flag, and after another House vote today on a technicality, the bill will go to a conference committee of Senate and House members.

"Thank you for your hard work. I'm proud of you," House Speaker David Wilkins, a Republican, said after the vote.

But the decision may not end the long-running controversy about the flag--or the tourism boycott of the state called by the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People since January. NAACP officials and many black legislators, who vehemently opposed the compromise approved by the state Senate last month, say it does not change their position.

"Why bring it down from the dome and wave it right in our faces? That's an insult. We can't accept that," said James Gallman, president of the state conference of the NAACP, who wanted the flag placed in "a historical perspective."

During their long hours of debate, House members considered everything from an avenue of flags representing the various wars to a bronze monument that contained a likeness of the Rebel flag. It seemed that an agreement was impossible.

"Do you really want to satisfy this thing? Or do you want to continue year after year after year to revisit it?" state Rep. John Scott, a Democrat who is black, asked other representatives as they launched their debate on the issue. "When will we turn it loose? When will the war be over?"

The emotions stirred by this symbolic cloth are complex and deep and have spread to other Southern states, where the flag and other icons of a bygone time are also being called into question.

To supporters, the battle flag represents a dearly held concept, "our Southern heritage." To opponents, it is an offensive emblem of slavery, white supremacy and a stubborn reluctance to give up the past. The battle lines are still drawn 135 years after the end of the Civil War.

Since 1962, the Rebel flag has flown atop the Statehouse, beneath the American flag and the state flag. Officially, it was placed there in honor of the centennial of the Civil War, but some, noting the struggle against integration at the time, suspected more sinister motives.

In recent years, black leaders and others had pushed to have it removed, but the plan did not really gain momentum until last year, when the NAACP announced a boycott of the state's tourism and convention spots, beginning in January. Since then, a national media spotlight has been focused here, many groups and individuals have canceled plans to visit the state, and the rancor over the issue--and the layers of complexity--have increased.

The debate was further highlighted during the South Carolina Republican presidential primary campaign, when both Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) were pressed to take a stand on the flag issue. Both avoided wading into the controversy when they said it was up to the people of the state to decide.

 

[paddymurphy]

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

Just goes to prove never trust a leftist

And yet here the right wing nut job is lying.

 

[paddymurphy]

The agreement that the black caucus and state leaders came up with. Was to take the confederate flag off the state capital and move it to the confederate memorial, and then build a black memorial on the state grounds. That was the agreement. Now they want to go against the agreement. You take the flag, there goes your black memorial. That's only fair.

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

Just goes to prove never trust a leftist

Here is that memorial to true American heroes. And you clowns want to honor traitors.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

That was not the agreement nor is that reflected in any legislation. That you would equate a memorial to loyal Americans to a flag of traitors and racists is sickening.

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

Just goes to prove never trust a leftist

Here is that memorial to true American heroes. And you clowns want to honor traitors.

You're getting really tiresome. If you don't like the flag don't look at it. Simple enough, bawl baby

 

[paddymurphy]

It was a deal, your the type of person if it doesn't go your way. You cry and run home with your ball. Lol

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

Just goes to prove never trust a leftist

Here is that memorial to true American heroes. And you clowns want to honor traitors.

You're getting really tiresome. If you don't like the flag don't look at it. Simple enough, bawl baby

Take it off the property that the people of South Carolina, black and white, pay for. Fly it on private property. How anyone can like a flag flown by traitors and displayed now by racists is inconceivable.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

And, of course, other than the tiny voices you hear in your head, you have no proof of any such deal.

I live in south Carolina, they made the deal after the ncaap boycotted south Carolina over the flag being flown on top of the state house. The deal was made and the flag was transferred to the confederate memorial on the grounds, and a memorial for black people was built as part of the agreement. Look it up.

Just goes to prove never trust a leftist

Here is that memorial to true American heroes. And you clowns want to honor traitors.

You're getting really tiresome. If you don't like the flag don't look at it. Simple enough, bawl baby

Take it off the property that the people of South Carolina, black and white, pay for. Fly it on private property. How anyone can like a flag flown by traitors and displayed now by racists is inconceivable.

 

[JoeB131]

which is the true issue in sc...the confederate flag or the lack of good mental health care in the u.s.


i say the latter....that the confederate flag is just an issue of distraction

is there any evidence that Roof was mentally ill?

Are you kidding me?

I didn't ask, "Did he have repulsive ideas", I asked, is there any evidence that he was suffering from any kind of mental disorder...

Legally, he doesn't have a leg to stand on. He does not meet the definition of legally insane. He was aware of what he was doing was wrong and he fled the scene.