Congratulations to Hillary Clinton!

[TemplarKormac]

"This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We’ve seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We’ve seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing do to with.”

-Hillary Clinton, September 14, 2012, at the Transfer of Remains Ceremony to Honor Those Lost in Attacks in Benghazi, Libya


Yeah, that's a fail.

There were attacks on 5 other US embassies directly resulting from protests over The Innocence of Muslims.

Correct, five other US embassies. No protests at the consulate in Benghazi, no mention of a video, just a planned terrorist attack. Remember, the consulate had been attacked numerous other times before the video ever surfaced. That alone says that the video had nothing whatsoever to do with it, and that this was the plan all along.

You know that even if they said it was a terrorist attack the next day it would change nothing....the four Americans would still be dead.

Is there a point you're trying to make here?

I think he's trying to point out that all of this has no purpose other than to trash Hillary Clinton.

That's news to me. Being the head of such a department, naturally she is and will be the sole focus of the the investigation.

 

[Nyvin]

It really was great of the GOP to give the Clinton campaign 11 free hours of widely viewed advertising time. It made her look really great! That's something they succeeded at.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I'm making dinner. Might be back later.

 

[bedowin62]

Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since …
cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-touts-al-qaeda-s-demise-32-times...
Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since Benghazi Attack. By Fred Lucas | November 1, 2012 | 4:16 PM EDT ...






how about 32 examples of that theme leftard??

lol

 

[bedowin62]

Actually two revelations came to light.

1) She told the Egyptians hours after the attack that it was terrorism, she told Chelsea that it "was done by an Al-Qaeda like group", but then spent the next few days, including the casket ceremony of the four dead men blaming the attacks on a video.

Those two claims - that the video was in part a cause in the attack, and that it was "done by an al-qaeda-like group" are not mutually exclusive, and in fact both true.

2) The consulate sent 600 separate requests to the State Department for extra security, and none of them ever reached Clinton's desk.

Sorry.

Correct. Because diplomatic security requests aren't supposed go to the SoS's desk, they're supposed to go to the Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security's desk.

1) There were no protests in Benghazi that night over a video. None. It was a pre-planned, premeditated terrorist attack. So the former of your statement is false.

2) Under 22 USC 4865 or SECCA, she responsible for, or at least capable of, making security decisions for consulates like the one in Benghazi, especially decisions regarding the FEST teams. She was not allowed to delegate those duties to anyone else.

22 U.S.C. § 4865 (2)(B)(ii)(I) and (6)(A)

(2)Site selection

(B) Waiver authority

(i) In general

Subject to clause (ii), the Secretary of State may waive subparagraph (A) if the Secretary, together with the head of each agency employing personnel that would not be located at the site, determine that security considerations permit and it is in the national interest of the United States.

(ii) Chancery or consulate building

(I) Authority not delegable
The Secretary may not delegate the waiver authority under clause (i) with respect to a chancery or consulate building.

and

(6) State Department support

(A) Foreign Emergency Support Team

The Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) of the Department of State shall receive sufficient support from the Department, including—

(i) conducting routine training exercises of the FEST;

(ii) providing personnel identified to serve on the FEST as a collateral duty;

(iii) providing personnel to assist in activities such as security, medical relief, public affairs, engineering, and building safety; and

(iv) providing such additional support as may be necessary to enable the FEST to provide support in a post-crisis environment involving mass casualties and physical damage.

1. The leader of the attack disagrees with you, since that's apparently what he said as the attack was happening according to multiple eyewitnesses.

2. Nothing in that section of code says that the Secretary of State "cannot delegate" overseeing embassy security - and Hillary Clinton did not create the office of the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, it's been a State Department office since 1985.

Obama's own officials, (and the murdered Ambassador's own top deputy) disagrees with the "leader of the attack" too; saying the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the Benghazi attack

Ok. I have no doubt that many people have differing views of what happened.

I'd say that the most likely situation is that the local al-qaeda wannabe group took advantage of the unrest over the video to attack a secret CIA base.

OR
murdered Ambassador Steven's top deputy was right and the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the attack




AS HE TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN FRONT OF CONGRESS

 

[theDoctorisIn]

There were attacks on 5 other US embassies directly resulting from protests over The Innocence of Muslims.

Correct, five other US embassies. No protests at the consulate in Benghazi, no mention of a video, just a planned terrorist attack. Remember, the consulate had been attacked numerous other times before the video ever surfaced. That alone says that the video had nothing whatsoever to do with it, and that this was the plan all along.

You know that even if they said it was a terrorist attack the next day it would change nothing....the four Americans would still be dead.

Is there a point you're trying to make here?

I think he's trying to point out that all of this has no purpose other than to trash Hillary Clinton.

except that Hillary herself didn't believe it was related to the video and said so

Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since …
cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-touts-al-qaeda-s-demise-32-times...
Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since Benghazi Attack. By Fred Lucas | November 1, 2012 | 4:16 PM EDT ...






how about 32 examples of that theme leftard??

lol

The organization al Qaeda (the one that attack the WTC) is, in fact, decimated - and had nothing to do with the attacks in Benghazi.

 

[bedowin62]

Correct, five other US embassies. No protests at the consulate in Benghazi, no mention of a video, just a planned terrorist attack. Remember, the consulate had been attacked numerous other times before the video ever surfaced. That alone says that the video had nothing whatsoever to do with it, and that this was the plan all along.

You know that even if they said it was a terrorist attack the next day it would change nothing....the four Americans would still be dead.

Is there a point you're trying to make here?

I think he's trying to point out that all of this has no purpose other than to trash Hillary Clinton.

except that Hillary herself didn't believe it was related to the video and said so

Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since …
cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-touts-al-qaeda-s-demise-32-times...
Obama Has Touted Al Qaeda’s Demise 32 Times since Benghazi Attack. By Fred Lucas | November 1, 2012 | 4:16 PM EDT ...






how about 32 examples of that theme leftard??

lol

The organization al Qaeda (the one that attack the WTC) is, in fact, decimated - and had nothing to do with the attacks in Benghazi.

yawn, such boring self-delusions

 

[Old Rocks]

Problem here for the teabaggers is that even Republicans are stating the hearings are negative for them.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Those two claims - that the video was in part a cause in the attack, and that it was "done by an al-qaeda-like group" are not mutually exclusive, and in fact both true.

Correct. Because diplomatic security requests aren't supposed go to the SoS's desk, they're supposed to go to the Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security's desk.

1) There were no protests in Benghazi that night over a video. None. It was a pre-planned, premeditated terrorist attack. So the former of your statement is false.

2) Under 22 USC 4865 or SECCA, she responsible for, or at least capable of, making security decisions for consulates like the one in Benghazi, especially decisions regarding the FEST teams. She was not allowed to delegate those duties to anyone else.

22 U.S.C. § 4865 (2)(B)(ii)(I) and (6)(A)

(2)Site selection

(B) Waiver authority

(i) In general

Subject to clause (ii), the Secretary of State may waive subparagraph (A) if the Secretary, together with the head of each agency employing personnel that would not be located at the site, determine that security considerations permit and it is in the national interest of the United States.

(ii) Chancery or consulate building

(I) Authority not delegable
The Secretary may not delegate the waiver authority under clause (i) with respect to a chancery or consulate building.

and

(6) State Department support

(A) Foreign Emergency Support Team

The Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) of the Department of State shall receive sufficient support from the Department, including—

(i) conducting routine training exercises of the FEST;

(ii) providing personnel identified to serve on the FEST as a collateral duty;

(iii) providing personnel to assist in activities such as security, medical relief, public affairs, engineering, and building safety; and

(iv) providing such additional support as may be necessary to enable the FEST to provide support in a post-crisis environment involving mass casualties and physical damage.

1. The leader of the attack disagrees with you, since that's apparently what he said as the attack was happening according to multiple eyewitnesses.

2. Nothing in that section of code says that the Secretary of State "cannot delegate" overseeing embassy security - and Hillary Clinton did not create the office of the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, it's been a State Department office since 1985.

Obama's own officials, (and the murdered Ambassador's own top deputy) disagrees with the "leader of the attack" too; saying the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the Benghazi attack

Ok. I have no doubt that many people have differing views of what happened.

I'd say that the most likely situation is that the local al-qaeda wannabe group took advantage of the unrest over the video to attack a secret CIA base.

OR
murdered Ambassador Steven's top deputy was right and the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the attack




AS HE TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN FRONT OF CONGRESS

Are you referring to Hicks? Because he was 400 miles away from the attacks in Benghazi when they happened.

 

[bedowin62]

you want to argue over semantics. this is why nobody takes left-wingers seriously

do you think Obama's message was only that the original incarnation of al qeada was on the run, or was he saying terrorism is on the run?

can any of you idiots be honest with YOURSELVES, LET ALONE OTHERS???

 

[bedowin62]

1) There were no protests in Benghazi that night over a video. None. It was a pre-planned, premeditated terrorist attack. So the former of your statement is false.

2) Under 22 USC 4865 or SECCA, she responsible for, or at least capable of, making security decisions for consulates like the one in Benghazi, especially decisions regarding the FEST teams. She was not allowed to delegate those duties to anyone else.

22 U.S.C. § 4865 (2)(B)(ii)(I) and (6)(A)

(2)Site selection

(B) Waiver authority

(i) In general

Subject to clause (ii), the Secretary of State may waive subparagraph (A) if the Secretary, together with the head of each agency employing personnel that would not be located at the site, determine that security considerations permit and it is in the national interest of the United States.

(ii) Chancery or consulate building

(I) Authority not delegable
The Secretary may not delegate the waiver authority under clause (i) with respect to a chancery or consulate building.

and

(6) State Department support

(A) Foreign Emergency Support Team

The Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) of the Department of State shall receive sufficient support from the Department, including—

(i) conducting routine training exercises of the FEST;

(ii) providing personnel identified to serve on the FEST as a collateral duty;

(iii) providing personnel to assist in activities such as security, medical relief, public affairs, engineering, and building safety; and

(iv) providing such additional support as may be necessary to enable the FEST to provide support in a post-crisis environment involving mass casualties and physical damage.

1. The leader of the attack disagrees with you, since that's apparently what he said as the attack was happening according to multiple eyewitnesses.

2. Nothing in that section of code says that the Secretary of State "cannot delegate" overseeing embassy security - and Hillary Clinton did not create the office of the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, it's been a State Department office since 1985.

Obama's own officials, (and the murdered Ambassador's own top deputy) disagrees with the "leader of the attack" too; saying the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the Benghazi attack

Ok. I have no doubt that many people have differing views of what happened.

I'd say that the most likely situation is that the local al-qaeda wannabe group took advantage of the unrest over the video to attack a secret CIA base.

OR
murdered Ambassador Steven's top deputy was right and the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the attack




AS HE TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN FRONT OF CONGRESS

Are you referring to Hicks? Because he was 400 miles away from the attacks in Benghazi when they happened.

Hillary was even farther away; but you believe her version of events

ur a joke making a fool of yourself

 

[Iron Head]

Actually two revelations came to light.

1) She told the Egyptians hours after the attack that it was terrorism, she told Chelsea that it "was done by an Al-Qaeda like group, but then spent the next few days, including the casket ceremony of the four dead men blaming the attacks on a video.

2) The consulate sent 600 separate requests to the State Department for extra security, and none of them ever reached Clinton's desk.

Sorry.

Kudos, Templar! You must be experiencing a lucid interval, as you are spot on tonight!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

1. The leader of the attack disagrees with you, since that's apparently what he said as the attack was happening according to multiple eyewitnesses.

2. Nothing in that section of code says that the Secretary of State "cannot delegate" overseeing embassy security - and Hillary Clinton did not create the office of the Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, it's been a State Department office since 1985.

Obama's own officials, (and the murdered Ambassador's own top deputy) disagrees with the "leader of the attack" too; saying the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the Benghazi attack

Ok. I have no doubt that many people have differing views of what happened.

I'd say that the most likely situation is that the local al-qaeda wannabe group took advantage of the unrest over the video to attack a secret CIA base.

OR
murdered Ambassador Steven's top deputy was right and the video was a "non-event" as a cause of the attack




AS HE TESTIFIED UNDER OATH IN FRONT OF CONGRESS

Are you referring to Hicks? Because he was 400 miles away from the attacks in Benghazi when they happened.

Hillary was even farther away; but you believe her version of events

ur a joke making a fool of yourself

What makes you think that I "believe" anyone's version of the events?

As I've said before, I'm sure that most of the details of the attack are hidden because it was part of a still-secret CIA operation.

 

[nat4900]

No one will ever 'accuse" right wingers on this thread of being good losers.

That committee just helped hand over to Clinton the oval office. Congratulations !!!

 

[Treeshepherd]

Hillary contacts Egypts Prime Minister shortly after the attacks and tells him we know this was a pre planned attack it was not about a video then she and the administration tells the public for weeks after that it was about a video. I'm not sure very many would consider that as a win.

Not "shortly after" - 24 hours after her first press conference on the matter (the one where she supposedly "blamed it on a video").

Here's a thought if you don't know who was behind the attacks or the motive behind them simply say we don't have enough information right now to answer those questions doing this would have avoided the current situation. It's amazing how many problems could be avoided if politicans and I mean all of them Democrat and Republican didn't automatically go into bullshit the people mode as soon as something that could be a problem for them comes up.

Stipulated. But so fucking what?

What's the fucking scandal? Her comments on that day were specifically noncommittal. Perhaps you're right, and it would have been better PR for her to say "We don't know anything yet" - but what would that change, in the end?

If you don't know what the scandal is then you simply don't want to know saying we don't know would have changed the fact that she was saying one thing privately and another pubically especially given the public statement puts out a story that would be helpful to the administration in an election year where the private one would not and could have possibily hurt them.

There is no political advantage that could have been gained by misidentifying the cause of the attacks as an online video. It doesn't make any sense.

The attacks in Libya came on 9/11. That's a date you're supposed to be on high alert. The advantages of saying it was a video; misdirect attention from lack of preparation; say the attack was fomented to excuse our Libyan 'buddies' who we saved with our awesome foreign policy.

 

[EriktheRed]

Hillary contacts Egypts Prime Minister shortly after the attacks and tells him we know this was a pre planned attack it was not about a video then she and the administration tells the public for weeks after that it was about a video. I'm not sure very many would consider that as a win.

Not "shortly after" - 24 hours after her first press conference on the matter (the one where she supposedly "blamed it on a video").

Here's a thought if you don't know who was behind the attacks or the motive behind them simply say we don't have enough information right now to answer those questions doing this would have avoided the current situation. It's amazing how many problems could be avoided if politicans and I mean all of them Democrat and Republican didn't automatically go into bullshit the people mode as soon as something that could be a problem for them comes up.

Stipulated. But so fucking what?

What's the fucking scandal? Her comments on that day were specifically noncommittal. Perhaps you're right, and it would have been better PR for her to say "We don't know anything yet" - but what would that change, in the end?

If you don't know what the scandal is then you simply don't want to know saying we don't know would have changed the fact that she was saying one thing privately and another pubically especially given the public statement puts out a story that would be helpful to the administration in an election year where the private one would not and could have possibily hurt them.

And what difference did it make, exactly?

 

[TemplarKormac]

1. The leader of the attack disagrees with you, since that's apparently what he said as the attack was happening according to multiple eyewitnesses.

So you're telling me that all those intelligence sources, plus Hillary were lying when they said the video wasn't the cause of the attack?

 

[ogibillm]

Actually two revelations came to light.

1) She told the Egyptians hours after the attack that it was terrorism, she told Chelsea that it "was done by an Al-Qaeda like group", but then spent the next few days, including the casket ceremony of the four dead men blaming the attacks on a video.

Those two claims - that the video was in part a cause in the attack, and that it was "done by an al-qaeda-like group" are not mutually exclusive, and in fact both true.

2) The consulate sent 600 separate requests to the State Department for extra security, and none of them ever reached Clinton's desk.

Sorry.

Correct. Because diplomatic security requests aren't supposed go to the SoS's desk, they're supposed to go to the Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security's desk.

1) There were no protests in Benghazi that night over a video. None. It was a pre-planned, premeditated terrorist attack. So the former of your statement is false.

2) Under 22 USC §4865, or SECCA, she responsible for, or at least capable of, making security decisions for consulates like the one in Benghazi, especially decisions regarding the FEST teams. She was also not allowed to delegate those duties to anyone else.

22 U.S.C. § 4865 (2)(B)(ii)(I) and (6)(A)

(2)Site selection

(B) Waiver authority

(i) In general

Subject to clause (ii), the Secretary of State may waive subparagraph (A) if the Secretary, together with the head of each agency employing personnel that would not be located at the site, determine that security considerations permit and it is in the national interest of the United States.

(ii) Chancery or consulate building

(I) Authority not delegable
The Secretary may not delegate the waiver authority under clause (i) with respect to a chancery or consulate building.

and

(6) State Department support

(A) Foreign Emergency Support Team

The Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) of the Department of State shall receive sufficient support from the Department, including—

(i) conducting routine training exercises of the FEST;

(ii) providing personnel identified to serve on the FEST as a collateral duty;

(iii) providing personnel to assist in activities such as security, medical relief, public affairs, engineering, and building safety; and

(iv) providing such additional support as may be necessary to enable the FEST to provide support in a post-crisis environment involving mass casualties and physical damage.

I'm not a lawyer, but i don't think thay says what you seem to think it does

 

[theDoctorisIn]

1. The leader of the attack disagrees with you, since that's apparently what he said as the attack was happening according to multiple eyewitnesses.

So you're telling me that all those intelligence sources, plus Hillary were lying when they said the video wasn't the cause of the attack?

I didn't say that the video was the "cause" of the attack. But that doesn't mean it wasn't involved.

You're looking at this in a comically black and white way.

 

[TemplarKormac]

DOJ court documents in Benghazi suspect case put video narrative to rest