Conservatives waking up to climate change

[S.J.]

S.J., when did you learn to adore Delingpole? Maybe on one of his Alex Jones appearances?

Perhaps it was this post, where he implied that anyone accepting AGW theory should be shot.

'Climate Change': there just aren't enough bullets ? Telegraph Blogs

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Always remember this: the Warmist faith so fervently held and promulgated by the Met Office is exactly the same faith so passionately, unswervingly followed by David Cameron, Chris Huhne, Greg Barker, the Coalition's energy spokesman in the Lords Lord Marland, and all but five members of the last parliament. And also by the BBC, the Prince of Wales, almost every national newspaper, the European Union, the Royal Society, the New York Times, CNBC, the Obama administration, the Australian and New Zealand governments, your children's schools, our major universities, our minor universities, the University of East Anglia, your local council….

Truly there just aren't enough bullets!
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Do you agree with your hero Delingpole that all those groups should be killed?

Frank, don't you be shy either. Do you also agree with the great and wise Delingpole that anyone accepting AGW theory should be shot?

Still shooting off your mouth and providing nothing of substance. Attack, attack, attack, that's all you can do.

 

[PMZ]

No they're not. They are merely another arm of the UN who's goal is to steal money from the First world nations and give it to tin pot Third World dictators....

Get a clue fool....

Eric Holder Promotes UN Redistribution Of Wealth To “Fight Terrorism”


Eric Holder Promotes UN Redistribution of Wealth to ?Fight Terrorism?



(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL):" First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

«Klimapolitik verteilt das Weltvermögen neu»: Klimaschutz hat mit Umweltschutz kaum mehr etwas zu tun, sagt der Ökonom Ottmar Edenhofer. Der nächste Weltklimagipfel in Cancún sei eigentlich ein Wirtschaftsgipfel, bei dem es um die Verteilung der Ress

''First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community.''

We have enjoyed the benefits of the free energy bequeathed to all people by the Carboniferous Period. You want those who haven't benefited to pay the bills due for our dumping of our waste in everyone's atmosphere. So that you can afford to buy a bigger gas waster than your neighbors.

I'm sure that I speak for a majority of the people in the world in rejecting that theivery.

Nice to see you admit it. Well done...first comes the realization you have a problem, then you can begin to work on a cure. The cure of course is to no longer support third world tyrants and remove them from power so that the people can finally generate enough wealth to join the first world club on their own. Then less resources are used and everyone prospers.

Just what you DON'T want to happen. Nope you want there to be a slave class and the ruling elite which you think you are a part of. Here's a clue....you're not. You're just yet another in a very long line of useful idiots who can be counted on to round up the "un desirables" and place them in the camps.

Then, when you are no longer useful you too get to go to the camps like the rest of the capo's....

I notice you avoided my other post...I wonder why?

Nice recital of the Dittohead Cult Mission. Eliminate the middle class of the world and create a super third world banana republic of the super wealthy.

With Rush as royalty.

The trouble that you have is that after the Bush debacle everybody caught on except a handful of you cultists. It will be so long before you win another significant national election, none of us will see it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

4 former EPA chiefs for Republican presidents ask for action on global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/o...e-for-climate-action.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Just another indication of what a extremist bunch the current batch of denialists is. According to them, even the Reagan administration was a bunch of dirty socialists. Denialism is now only a political cult, one that cares nothing about any actual science.

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington.

LOL! Obama should endorse a big fat carbon tax, it's the best path, these 4 Republicans agree.

If liberals were really scared about CO2, they'd jump on the nuke bandwagon.
But as bad as CO2 is, to them, nuclear power is worse.
Any solution that includes higher taxes and crappy "green" energy shows that they aren't serious.

 

[westwall]

S.J., when did you learn to adore Delingpole? Maybe on one of his Alex Jones appearances?

Perhaps it was this post, where he implied that anyone accepting AGW theory should be shot.

'Climate Change': there just aren't enough bullets ? Telegraph Blogs

---
Always remember this: the Warmist faith so fervently held and promulgated by the Met Office is exactly the same faith so passionately, unswervingly followed by David Cameron, Chris Huhne, Greg Barker, the Coalition's energy spokesman in the Lords Lord Marland, and all but five members of the last parliament. And also by the BBC, the Prince of Wales, almost every national newspaper, the European Union, the Royal Society, the New York Times, CNBC, the Obama administration, the Australian and New Zealand governments, your children's schools, our major universities, our minor universities, the University of East Anglia, your local council….

Truly there just aren't enough bullets!
---

Do you agree with your hero Delingpole that all those groups should be killed?

Frank, don't you be shy either. Do you also agree with the great and wise Delingpole that anyone accepting AGW theory should be shot?

Yes, that was certainly an unacceptable sentence. Of course it wasn't nearly as direct as your folks... Below are just a couple...add to that the call to confine sceptics to mental institutions, to toss them in gulags etc. and it has been your side that has universally made the call to kill or otherwise "deal with the problem of sceptics" as a normal course of operation.

He would be so proud of you....

"In this article I am going to suggest that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for influential GW deniers..."- Professor Richard Parncutt of the University of Graz

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

Daily Kos Editor Says Skeptics Should Commit Suicide
July 28, 2010

Daily Kos Editor Says Skeptics Should Commit Suicide | Green Hell Blog


"What is so frustrating about these fools is that they are the politicians and greedy bastards who don’t want a cut in their profits who use bogus science or the lowest scientists in the gene pool who will distort data for a few bucks. The vast majority of the scientific minds in the World agree and understand it’s a very serious problem that can do an untold amount of damage to life on Earth.

So when the right wing fucktards have caused it to be too late to fix the problem, and we start seeing the devastating consequences and we start seeing end of the World type events – how will we punish those responsible. It will be too late. So shouldn’t we start punishing them now?"-

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.co...t-what-point-do-we-jail-or-ex.php?ref=reccafe

 

[westwall]

''First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community.''

We have enjoyed the benefits of the free energy bequeathed to all people by the Carboniferous Period. You want those who haven't benefited to pay the bills due for our dumping of our waste in everyone's atmosphere. So that you can afford to buy a bigger gas waster than your neighbors.

I'm sure that I speak for a majority of the people in the world in rejecting that theivery.

Nice to see you admit it. Well done...first comes the realization you have a problem, then you can begin to work on a cure. The cure of course is to no longer support third world tyrants and remove them from power so that the people can finally generate enough wealth to join the first world club on their own. Then less resources are used and everyone prospers.

Just what you DON'T want to happen. Nope you want there to be a slave class and the ruling elite which you think you are a part of. Here's a clue....you're not. You're just yet another in a very long line of useful idiots who can be counted on to round up the "un desirables" and place them in the camps.

Then, when you are no longer useful you too get to go to the camps like the rest of the capo's....

I notice you avoided my other post...I wonder why?

Nice recital of the Dittohead Cult Mission. Eliminate the middle class of the world and create a super third world banana republic of the super wealthy.

With Rush as royalty.

The trouble that you have is that after the Bush debacle everybody caught on except a handful of you cultists. It will be so long before you win another significant national election, none of us will see it.

That certainly seems to be your goal. Remember when Gore said that the Africans should not be allowed to industrialize or otherwise improve their lot? Nahhh, I didn't think you would. You're not very well read...

 

[freedombecki]

Interesting to see science data quietly commissioned by the conservative government in New Zealand offering immense detail as to how climate change has impacted New Zealand's vital farming sector...I think this is interesting because it details how localised some climate impacts will be, something that often seems to confuse right-wingers here, who seem to think the entire world should experience the same impacts.

Note that the report does highlight some positives - and also notes that many of the impacts have already occured:

A new report has spelled out our future under climate change - but warns there is still much to learn over what it will mean for extreme events, diseases, pests and other impacts.

The report, published by the Office of the Chief Science Adviser yesterday, also says more work is needed to understand what 2C of change over the next century will mean for different regions.

There would be less rainfall in summer and autumn over the west of the North Island - but rates could increase by 5 per cent in winter and spring.

The picture was again different on the other side of the island; the Gisborne and Hawkes Bay regions stood to lose up to 10 per cent of its winter and spring rainfall.

Extreme weather on the horizon - National - NZ Herald News

Your article was punctuated with numerous and repetitive disclaimers, i.e.:

However, typical cold snaps, frost and snow conditions will continue.
Rainfall is forecast to be normal or above normal in the east and north of the North Island as well as the west of the South Island, while normal or below normal rainfall is likely for the west of the North Island and the north of the South Island.

Ergo, whatever comes, the author is correct!!!

 

[PMZ]

4 former EPA chiefs for Republican presidents ask for action on global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/o...e-for-climate-action.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Just another indication of what a extremist bunch the current batch of denialists is. According to them, even the Reagan administration was a bunch of dirty socialists. Denialism is now only a political cult, one that cares nothing about any actual science.

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington.

LOL! Obama should endorse a big fat carbon tax, it's the best path, these 4 Republicans agree.

If liberals were really scared about CO2, they'd jump on the nuke bandwagon.
But as bad as CO2 is, to them, nuclear power is worse.
Any solution that includes higher taxes and crappy "green" energy shows that they aren't serious.

The truth is that the last thing that the world needs is advice from you about sustainable energy. We're doing quite well, thank you very much, without you.

You have removed yourself from any serious energy technology discussion and that's best for all concerned.

 

[freedombecki]

4 former EPA chiefs for Republican presidents ask for action on global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/o...e-for-climate-action.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Just another indication of what a extremist bunch the current batch of denialists is. According to them, even the Reagan administration was a bunch of dirty socialists. Denialism is now only a political cult, one that cares nothing about any actual science.

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington.

LOL! Obama should endorse a big fat carbon tax, it's the best path, these 4 Republicans agree.

If liberals were really scared about CO2, they'd jump on the nuke bandwagon.
But as bad as CO2 is, to them, nuclear power is worse.
Any solution that includes higher taxes and crappy "green" energy shows that they aren't serious.

The truth is that the last thing that the world needs is advice from you about sustainable energy. We're doing quite well, thank you very much, without you.

You have removed yourself from any serious energy technology discussion and that's best for all concerned.

So being pushed to live within your means on the environment is a claim you'd prefer not to think about?

When the best alternative advocated - which is nuclear power - is out of the question because ... anything affordable is questionable because ... conservatives are for it?

Seems the only denialists are in your corner of this match. And you shouldn't be cutting off your nose to spite your face, really, by not hearing the rational and true side of the debate presented by environment-loving conservatives like Mr. Patriot, Mr. Westwall, Mr. Flacaltenn, Mr. SJ, Mr. Ernie S, and others.

 

[Flopper]

Each year we see forest fire devastation growing, the melting of glaciers increasing at alarming rates, heat indexes rising, and the intensity of storms increasing.

I have absolutely no faith in the governments of this planet taking any action that might remedy the situation. Scientist have not been able to tell us that we can take action which would stop the climate change. What seems to make sense is that the nations should work together to prepare for the disasters that are forthcoming, yet nothing is being done. Some of us labor under the false assumption that the nations of this planet will wake up to the danger. That is simply not going to happen.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

4 former EPA chiefs for Republican presidents ask for action on global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/o...e-for-climate-action.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Just another indication of what a extremist bunch the current batch of denialists is. According to them, even the Reagan administration was a bunch of dirty socialists. Denialism is now only a political cult, one that cares nothing about any actual science.

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington.

LOL! Obama should endorse a big fat carbon tax, it's the best path, these 4 Republicans agree.

If liberals were really scared about CO2, they'd jump on the nuke bandwagon.
But as bad as CO2 is, to them, nuclear power is worse.
Any solution that includes higher taxes and crappy "green" energy shows that they aren't serious.

The truth is that the last thing that the world needs is advice from you about sustainable energy. We're doing quite well, thank you very much, without you.

You have removed yourself from any serious energy technology discussion and that's best for all concerned.

You can't use the term "sustainable energy" and "serious energy technology discussion" in the same post.

 

[PMZ]

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington.

LOL! Obama should endorse a big fat carbon tax, it's the best path, these 4 Republicans agree.

If liberals were really scared about CO2, they'd jump on the nuke bandwagon.
But as bad as CO2 is, to them, nuclear power is worse.
Any solution that includes higher taxes and crappy "green" energy shows that they aren't serious.

The truth is that the last thing that the world needs is advice from you about sustainable energy. We're doing quite well, thank you very much, without you.

You have removed yourself from any serious energy technology discussion and that's best for all concerned.

So being pushed to live within your means on the environment is a claim you'd prefer not to think about?

When the best alternative advocated - which is nuclear power - is out of the question because ... anything affordable is questionable because ... conservatives are for it?

Seems the only denialists are in your corner of this match. And you shouldn't be cutting off your nose to spite your face, really, by not hearing the rational and true side of the debate presented by environment-loving conservatives like Mr. Patriot, Mr. Westwall, Mr. Flacaltenn, Mr. SJ, Mr. Ernie S, and others.

You seem to have completely fallen for the idiocy that doing nothing is the least expensive alternative. In other words pay for the damages of AGW caused extreme weather, and pay for relocating agriculture to where the rain moved, and pay for protecting our cities from rising sea levels, then do nothing as fossil fuels run out.

Must of us are sick of paying for conservative do nothing. That’s why it will be many moons before we'll trust our government to people who don't want government.

We tried your advice, it failed us spectacularly, we've moved on. End of story.

 

[PMZ]

Each year we see forest fire devastation growing, the melting of glaciers increasing at alarming rates, heat indexes rising, and the intensity of storms increasing.

I have absolutely no faith in the governments of this planet taking any action that might remedy the situation. Scientist have not been able to tell us that we can take action which would stop the climate change. What seems to make sense is that the nations should work together to prepare for the disasters that are forthcoming, yet nothing is being done. Some of us labor under the false assumption that the nations of this planet will wake up to the danger. That is simply not going to happen.

Governments like ours, democracies, will do what we, the people demand from them. As long as there is a significant percentage of the electorate bent on electing people to destroy government, this current stalemate resulting in doing nothing, will continue. Not caused by 'them', but us. Our choice.

 

[westwall]

Interesting to see science data quietly commissioned by the conservative government in New Zealand offering immense detail as to how climate change has impacted New Zealand's vital farming sector...I think this is interesting because it details how localised some climate impacts will be, something that often seems to confuse right-wingers here, who seem to think the entire world should experience the same impacts.

Note that the report does highlight some positives - and also notes that many of the impacts have already occured:

A new report has spelled out our future under climate change - but warns there is still much to learn over what it will mean for extreme events, diseases, pests and other impacts.

The report, published by the Office of the Chief Science Adviser yesterday, also says more work is needed to understand what 2C of change over the next century will mean for different regions.

There would be less rainfall in summer and autumn over the west of the North Island - but rates could increase by 5 per cent in winter and spring.

The picture was again different on the other side of the island; the Gisborne and Hawkes Bay regions stood to lose up to 10 per cent of its winter and spring rainfall.

Extreme weather on the horizon - National - NZ Herald News

Your article was punctuated with numerous and repetitive disclaimers, i.e.:

However, typical cold snaps, frost and snow conditions will continue.
Rainfall is forecast to be normal or above normal in the east and north of the North Island as well as the west of the South Island, while normal or below normal rainfall is likely for the west of the North Island and the north of the South Island.

Ergo, whatever comes, the author is correct!!!

Yep, they are worse than the charlatans when it comes to making vague predictions and statements!

 

[westwall]

4 former EPA chiefs for Republican presidents ask for action on global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/o...e-for-climate-action.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Just another indication of what a extremist bunch the current batch of denialists is. According to them, even the Reagan administration was a bunch of dirty socialists. Denialism is now only a political cult, one that cares nothing about any actual science.

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington.

LOL! Obama should endorse a big fat carbon tax, it's the best path, these 4 Republicans agree.

If liberals were really scared about CO2, they'd jump on the nuke bandwagon.
But as bad as CO2 is, to them, nuclear power is worse.
Any solution that includes higher taxes and crappy "green" energy shows that they aren't serious.

The truth is that the last thing that the world needs is advice from you about sustainable energy. We're doing quite well, thank you very much, without you.

You have removed yourself from any serious energy technology discussion and that's best for all concerned.

So claims the idjit who sucks off goats

 

[westwall]

Each year we see forest fire devastation growing, the melting of glaciers increasing at alarming rates, heat indexes rising, and the intensity of storms increasing.

I have absolutely no faith in the governments of this planet taking any action that might remedy the situation. Scientist have not been able to tell us that we can take action which would stop the climate change. What seems to make sense is that the nations should work together to prepare for the disasters that are forthcoming, yet nothing is being done. Some of us labor under the false assumption that the nations of this planet will wake up to the danger. That is simply not going to happen.

The forest fires are due to mismanagement. The Arctic sea ice is 1.5 MILLION sq. km GREATER than last year. Heat indexes rise thanks to the Urban Heat Island effect. Rural weather stations are showing a temperature decrease. Storm intensity is actually DECREASING. We have seen fewer and fewer tornado's and of lower intensity than were seen in the 1940's.

You need to read some real science and not the propaganda you are focusing on....

 

[freedombecki]

Each year we see forest fire devastation growing, the melting of glaciers increasing at alarming rates, heat indexes rising, and the intensity of storms increasing.

I have absolutely no faith in the governments of this planet taking any action that might remedy the situation. Scientist have not been able to tell us that we can take action which would stop the climate change. What seems to make sense is that the nations should work together to prepare for the disasters that are forthcoming, yet nothing is being done. Some of us labor under the false assumption that the nations of this planet will wake up to the danger. That is simply not going to happen.

Well, up in Yellowstone Park a number of years ago, the environmentalist Park Service refused to allow a forest fire to be controlled. As a consequence, over one million acres of irreplaceable forests were burned down. The kill of small fauna was heart-wrenching, because their population was protected there where they prospered, and few remained. The towering forests were gone, and the spring melt took years of the best soil to eventually muddy the Columbia River/Pacific and tributaries to the Gulf of Mexico/Atlantic. It was not a pretty sight for years. The environmentalists could only agree on one thing--something would come back. But the solemn beauty of the forest before was gone. I saw it in summer and in winter before and after. I missed the majesty of the awesome home for millions of birds and tiny creatures. Their loss was legion, and it will take hundreds of years to get back what was, except some things will never come back. If they had just spared a hundred thousand acres, that would have helped.

Not one person I knew while living in the Equality State where most of the burn occurred was happy about it and were plum angry.

Mankind is part of nature and could have done quite a bit to prevent the massive loss of trees that one million acres wears, and it was a shame to see nature so naked afterward. There are no guarantees in a modern world that has so many people in it people see blank land as a place to put another landfill for human wastes that will not recover due to anaerobic failures. Garbage that is buried 50 feet below will still be garbage in a hundred years, because *snap* stuff is preserved where there is no air!

/soapbox

 

[PMZ]

A market-based approach, like a carbon tax, would be the best path to reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, but that is unachievable in the current political gridlock in Washington.

LOL! Obama should endorse a big fat carbon tax, it's the best path, these 4 Republicans agree.

If liberals were really scared about CO2, they'd jump on the nuke bandwagon.
But as bad as CO2 is, to them, nuclear power is worse.
Any solution that includes higher taxes and crappy "green" energy shows that they aren't serious.

The truth is that the last thing that the world needs is advice from you about sustainable energy. We're doing quite well, thank you very much, without you.

You have removed yourself from any serious energy technology discussion and that's best for all concerned.

You can't use the term "sustainable energy" and "serious energy technology discussion" in the same post.

Why?

 

[PMZ]

Each year we see forest fire devastation growing, the melting of glaciers increasing at alarming rates, heat indexes rising, and the intensity of storms increasing.

I have absolutely no faith in the governments of this planet taking any action that might remedy the situation. Scientist have not been able to tell us that we can take action which would stop the climate change. What seems to make sense is that the nations should work together to prepare for the disasters that are forthcoming, yet nothing is being done. Some of us labor under the false assumption that the nations of this planet will wake up to the danger. That is simply not going to happen.

Well, up in Yellowstone Park a number of years ago, the environmentalist Park Service refused to allow a forest fire to be controlled. As a consequence, over one million acres of irreplaceable forests were burned down. The kill of small fauna was heart-wrenching, because their population was protected there where they prospered, and few remained. The towering forests were gone, and the spring melt took years of the best soil to eventually muddy the Columbia River/Pacific and tributaries to the Gulf of Mexico/Atlantic. It was not a pretty sight for years. The environmentalists could only agree on one thing--something would come back. But the solemn beauty of the forest before was gone. I saw it in summer and in winter before and after. I missed the majesty of the awesome home for millions of birds and tiny creatures. Their loss was legion, and it will take hundreds of years to get back what was, except some things will never come back. If they had just spared a hundred thousand acres, that would have helped.

Not one person I knew while living in the Equality State where most of the burn occurred was happy about it and were plum angry.

Mankind is part of nature and could have done quite a bit to prevent the massive loss of trees that one million acres wears, and it was a shame to see nature so naked afterward. There are no guarantees in a modern world that has so many people in it people see blank land as a place to put another landfill for human wastes that will not recover due to anaerobic failures. Garbage that is buried 50 feet below will still be garbage in a hundred years, because *snap* stuff is preserved where there is no air!

/soapbox

One of the things that environmentalists have learned over the years is that forest fires are an integral part of ecology. They've been going on since the beginning of time and forests depend on them to control overgrowth. In fact some trees cannot reproduce without the aid of fire.

Forest fires are however inconvenient to mankind who insists that mother nature be subservient to our needs. Mother nature sees it opposite to that.

So we dump our fossil fuel waste in the atmosphere and as weather patterns inexorably change, we say that it's merely mother nature being bitchy.

She is just going to have to adapt to us.

Right. We're learning an important lesson here. At least some of us are. Others are unable to.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The truth is that the last thing that the world needs is advice from you about sustainable energy. We're doing quite well, thank you very much, without you.

You have removed yourself from any serious energy technology discussion and that's best for all concerned.

You can't use the term "sustainable energy" and "serious energy technology discussion" in the same post.

Why?

Because you're an idiot.

 

[westwall]

Each year we see forest fire devastation growing, the melting of glaciers increasing at alarming rates, heat indexes rising, and the intensity of storms increasing.

I have absolutely no faith in the governments of this planet taking any action that might remedy the situation. Scientist have not been able to tell us that we can take action which would stop the climate change. What seems to make sense is that the nations should work together to prepare for the disasters that are forthcoming, yet nothing is being done. Some of us labor under the false assumption that the nations of this planet will wake up to the danger. That is simply not going to happen.

Well, up in Yellowstone Park a number of years ago, the environmentalist Park Service refused to allow a forest fire to be controlled. As a consequence, over one million acres of irreplaceable forests were burned down. The kill of small fauna was heart-wrenching, because their population was protected there where they prospered, and few remained. The towering forests were gone, and the spring melt took years of the best soil to eventually muddy the Columbia River/Pacific and tributaries to the Gulf of Mexico/Atlantic. It was not a pretty sight for years. The environmentalists could only agree on one thing--something would come back. But the solemn beauty of the forest before was gone. I saw it in summer and in winter before and after. I missed the majesty of the awesome home for millions of birds and tiny creatures. Their loss was legion, and it will take hundreds of years to get back what was, except some things will never come back. If they had just spared a hundred thousand acres, that would have helped.

Not one person I knew while living in the Equality State where most of the burn occurred was happy about it and were plum angry.

Mankind is part of nature and could have done quite a bit to prevent the massive loss of trees that one million acres wears, and it was a shame to see nature so naked afterward. There are no guarantees in a modern world that has so many people in it people see blank land as a place to put another landfill for human wastes that will not recover due to anaerobic failures. Garbage that is buried 50 feet below will still be garbage in a hundred years, because *snap* stuff is preserved where there is no air!

/soapbox

One of the things that environmentalists have learned over the years is that forest fires are an integral part of ecology. They've been going on since the beginning of time and forests depend on them to control overgrowth. In fact some trees cannot reproduce without the aid of fire.

Forest fires are however inconvenient to mankind who insists that mother nature be subservient to our needs. Mother nature sees it opposite to that.

So we dump our fossil fuel waste in the atmosphere and as weather patterns inexorably change, we say that it's merely mother nature being bitchy.

She is just going to have to adapt to us.

Right. We're learning an important lesson here. At least some of us are. Others are unable to.

Yes, we've known about it for decades. Unfortunately the fuel that would normally be burnt in the hundreds of small fires that used to occur, isn't, and instead builds up on the forest floor.

Then when there is a fire it is catastrophic and becomes an inferno instead which incinerates everything in its path.

The alternative to that is of course going in and clearing out the dead wood but the enviro Nazis won't allow that to happen so you end up with the massive destruction.