Cops shot in Brussels...but...they have gun control..right?

Criminals don't obey the laws in the first place. Disarming citizens that aren't criminals makes no sense when guns are easy to buy on the black market and make in a basement.
Do you think it's good if a country has more guns than people?


Yes...and the Europeans who died in the gas chambers would agree....since they didn't have any guns...
 
In the on going look into the gun culture of Europe.......their criminals have guns......and they use them...they just don't kill each other as often.........they apparently shoot at police though...

Shots Fired At Police In Brussels During Search Linked To Paris Attacks

A police spokeswoman originally said one police officer had been injured slightly in today’s raid, which included French police officers, but that number has now risen to four. Three were wounded by gunfire during the initial raid, one during the police mobilisation which followed.

Earlier it was thought two suspects were on the run after the incident and a Kalashnikov was used in the shooting, as the Derniere Heure newspaper reported. It has since been reported that police sources say one suspect has been “neutralised”, meaning killed, but a further two still remain at large. Although identification has not been published, it has been confirmed the dead man is not Abdeslam.

The criminals and terrorists in Europe really like to use fully automatic weapons....a cultural preference, where American thugs like to use hand guns....

Do you really want to compare the gun violence rate of Belgium to the US?


Yes.....but to the point...I will compare criminal sub cultures of belgium to the U.S....since these guys had fully automatic weapons...gun control laws didn't stop them...dumb luck did since if they hadn't waited so long, they could have shot up any area they wanted......

OUr criminals commit murder more than European criminals do.....they have just as much access to guns...since they all get them and use them.

What is so hard for you anti gun nuts to understand that it isn't the guns that are the problem but the criminals who pull the triggers....?
 
Firearm death rate U.S.: 10.54/100K

Firearm death rate Belgium: 1.82/100K

Any questions?

Interesting. Yes....Belgiums gun deaths are much lower. They're a much smaller country with MUCH different demographics.

But you know what size/demographics are more comparable to Belgium? Utah. Massachusetts. Connecticut.

Utah: 0.9
Massachusetts: 2.0
Connecticut: 2.7
Belgium: 1.82

Hmmm. Combine those 3 states and their population/demographics/gun murder rate are about identical to Belgium.

WHY IS THAT?
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Exactly.......it is the criminal sub culture and their attitude toward committing murder that makes the difference....since the criminals of Europe have access to fully automatic weapons and grenades....
 
Criminals don't obey the laws in the first place. Disarming citizens that aren't criminals makes no sense when guns are easy to buy on the black market and make in a basement.
Do you think it's good if a country has more guns than people?


Yes...and the Europeans who died in the gas chambers would agree....since they didn't have any guns...

Gas chambers should be legal. Criminals will just get them anyways.
 
Criminals don't obey the laws in the first place. Disarming citizens that aren't criminals makes no sense when guns are easy to buy on the black market and make in a basement.

Oh, obviously. That's why the gun violence rate in Belgium is 5, 6 times higher than than here, where we have more guns.

Oh, wait.


nope......criminals in Belgium just don't commit murder as often as our criminals do.....access to guns isn't the issue...since the criminals in Belgium get them easily....terrorists too....
 
Criminals don't obey the laws in the first place. Disarming citizens that aren't criminals makes no sense when guns are easy to buy on the black market and make in a basement.
Do you think it's good if a country has more guns than people?


Yes...and the Europeans who died in the gas chambers would agree....since they didn't have any guns...

Gas chambers should be legal. Criminals will just get them anyways.
And pipe bombs, and biological weapons, and child pornography. No law will stop a criminal so, let's do away with them. That would be so much better.
 


And of course this is another anti gun, biased study with an anti gun agenda....

CPRC at Fox News: Researchers are wrong about private guns, police deaths - Crime Prevention Research Center

Researchers are wrong about private guns, police deaths | Fox News

The study, which was announced last week and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health, received extensive national and international news coverage.

But if the researchers hadn’t left out controls used by everyone else for this type of empirical work, they would have gotten the opposite results from what they claimed.

Previous research has done just that. And it has found that concealed handgun permits lead to fewer police deaths. The authors offered no explanation for the new study’s unorthodox approach.
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A similar point applies over time. Suppose a state passes a gun control law at the same time that crime rates are falling nationally. It would be a mistake to attribute the overall drop in national crime rates to the law that got passed. To account for that concern, researchers normally see whether the drop in crime rate for the state that had the change is greater or less than the overall national change.

Looking at data by state over many years allows researchers to account for both of these potential biases, but the American Journal of Public Health study doesn’t account for this bias over time and the authors offer no explanation for this lapse.

If they had done what everyone else does, it would have reversed their results. Instead of their claim of a one-percentage point increase in the percent of suicides committed with guns increasing the total number of police killed by 3.5 percent, they would have found it reducing police killed by 3.6 percent.

Previous work has shown that letting law-abiding citizens carry guns reduces the rate that criminals carry guns, thus making it safer for both civilians and police alike.

But perhaps the craziest thing about this study is how it “measures” gun ownership.

While the media talks about gun ownership being related to police deaths, what they are actually measuring is the percentage of suicides committed with guns. While this may have some relationship to gun ownership, this much more likely picks up whether the population is relatively more male, as men are more likely to use guns for suicide, as well as other demographic and geographical differences. For example, even when women own guns, they are more likely than men to use other methods of committing suicide.
 


And of course this is another anti gun, biased study with an anti gun agenda....

CPRC at Fox News: Researchers are wrong about private guns, police deaths - Crime Prevention Research Center

Researchers are wrong about private guns, police deaths | Fox News

The study, which was announced last week and is forthcoming in the American Journal of Public Health, received extensive national and international news coverage.

But if the researchers hadn’t left out controls used by everyone else for this type of empirical work, they would have gotten the opposite results from what they claimed.

Previous research has done just that. And it has found that concealed handgun permits lead to fewer police deaths. The authors offered no explanation for the new study’s unorthodox approach.

Lott? Haha he is an economist. Shouldnt he be studying the economy?
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.
A medical examination and a written exam before purchasing a gun? Unarmed police? Interesting that you would support that.
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.
From your link;
" However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test."
Maybe the US should have more stringent controls on who can own a gun...just like Iceland...then the US would have lower rates of gun death...just like Iceland.
I get your point and it's certainly worth pondering.
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.
A medical examination and a written exam before purchasing a gun? Unarmed police? Interesting that you would support that.

And in Mexico you don't need a medical exam, or a written exam because you cannot have any guns......and their gun murder rate is higher than ours......dittos Puerto Rico...and island with strict gun controls...and the highest gun murder rate in the world....

Access to guns isn't the issue......icelandic criminals can get around medical exams and written exams the same way criminals do in Europe....I have links where a police officer in Europe points out the book you have to know for the exam to own a gun...and a criminal can get a gun in less than an hour...

Your point about guns being the cause of gun crime is just stupid....if you notice....it isn't ethnic Belgians doing the shooting....it is immigrants....same thing you find with Australia, Britain and the countries all over Europe...they do not share the same cultural value against violence that natural Europeans do...and that is who is committing the gun crime over there....

And the young males raised by single mothers...another group of shooters in Europe...who also do not value the limits placed on shooting other people...which is why in Britain...a country that confiscated their gun...had their gun crime rate, go up 4%.....

And that is also why Australia has seen their gun crime rate go up....another country that confiscated guns......

Access to guns is not he issue....it is the criminal sub culture and their attitude toward murder....
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.
From your link;
" However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test."
Maybe the US should have more stringent controls on who can own a gun...just like Iceland...then the US would have lower rates of gun death...just like Iceland.
I get your point and it's certainly worth pondering.


We already do have strict limits on who can own guns.....violent, convicted felons cannot own guns.....the mentally ill cannot own guns.....

And yet 90% of murderers have long criminal histories.....70-80% of gun murder victims also have violent criminal histories.....

While in 2014 there were 8,124 gun murders....the rest of the country owned 356,991,876 million guns and did not murder anyone.....
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.

Maybe it is the free college?
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.

Maybe it is the free college?


Keep trying.......little drug use.....little crime...Iceland is a law abiding society...but that too is changing.....Icelanders have guns...they don't commit murder.....The currently don't have the social pathologies that turn their young men into killers....
 
So...the shooter was not an ethnic Belgian.........

2 Suspects on the Run After Terror Shooting in Belgium

After a three-hour police operation, an officer neutralized one of the suspects who was about to shoot, according to the spokesman. His body was later found inside the apartment next to a Kalashnikov rifle, 11 battery chargers, as well as a book on Salafism religious ideology and an ISIS flag.

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The dead person has been identified as Algerian national Mohamed Belkaid, 35. He had been unknown to police except for a theft case in 2014.


access to guns is not the issue here...since this foreigner in Belgium was able to get an illegal, fully automatic rifle.......his attitude toward murder is......


 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.
A medical examination and a written exam before purchasing a gun? Unarmed police? Interesting that you would support that.

And in Mexico you don't need a medical exam, or a written exam because you cannot have any guns......and their gun murder rate is higher than ours......dittos Puerto Rico...and island with strict gun controls...and the highest gun murder rate in the world....

Access to guns isn't the issue......icelandic criminals can get around medical exams and written exams the same way criminals do in Europe....I have links where a police officer in Europe points out the book you have to know for the exam to own a gun...and a criminal can get a gun in less than an hour...

Your point about guns being the cause of gun crime is just stupid....if you notice....it isn't ethnic Belgians doing the shooting....it is immigrants....same thing you find with Australia, Britain and the countries all over Europe...they do not share the same cultural value against violence that natural Europeans do...and that is who is committing the gun crime over there....

And the young males raised by single mothers...another group of shooters in Europe...who also do not value the limits placed on shooting other people...which is why in Britain...a country that confiscated their gun...had their gun crime rate, go up 4%.....

And that is also why Australia has seen their gun crime rate go up....another country that confiscated guns......

Access to guns is not he issue....it is the criminal sub culture and their attitude toward murder....
Mexico and Puerto Rico are neighbors of the greatest gun flooding nation on the planet. And their governments are not capable of enforcing gun control. The U.S. has the highest homicide rate in the entire first world, and by embarrassing proportions the highest rate of gun crime in the first world. Maybe the entire world on that second point.
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.
A medical examination and a written exam before purchasing a gun? Unarmed police? Interesting that you would support that.

And in Mexico you don't need a medical exam, or a written exam because you cannot have any guns......and their gun murder rate is higher than ours......dittos Puerto Rico...and island with strict gun controls...and the highest gun murder rate in the world....

Access to guns isn't the issue......icelandic criminals can get around medical exams and written exams the same way criminals do in Europe....I have links where a police officer in Europe points out the book you have to know for the exam to own a gun...and a criminal can get a gun in less than an hour...

Your point about guns being the cause of gun crime is just stupid....if you notice....it isn't ethnic Belgians doing the shooting....it is immigrants....same thing you find with Australia, Britain and the countries all over Europe...they do not share the same cultural value against violence that natural Europeans do...and that is who is committing the gun crime over there....

And the young males raised by single mothers...another group of shooters in Europe...who also do not value the limits placed on shooting other people...which is why in Britain...a country that confiscated their gun...had their gun crime rate, go up 4%.....

And that is also why Australia has seen their gun crime rate go up....another country that confiscated guns......

Access to guns is not he issue....it is the criminal sub culture and their attitude toward murder....
Mexico and Puerto Rico are neighbors of the greatest gun flooding nation on the planet. And their governments are not capable of enforcing gun control. The U.S. has the highest homicide rate in the entire first world, and by embarrassing proportions the highest rate of gun crime in the first world. Maybe the entire world on that second point.


Wrong....Puerto Rico is an island......Mexico has strict gun control laws......they get most of their cartel guns from China and Europe, not the U.S......

Their governments are very capable of disarming law abiding citizens..which they have....the criminals are the ones who get the guns...easily.
 
Let's take a look at another country with a lot of guns.....according to you guys the mere presence of guns will make people go out and use them....which is how you get to the idea less guns/less gun crime.......

Iceland shows how you are wrong...lots of guns very little crime...

Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland? - BBC News

Crimes in Iceland - when they occur - usually do not involve firearms, though Icelanders own plenty of guns.

GunPolicy.org estimates there are approximately 90,000 guns in the country - in a country with just over 300,000 people.

The country ranks 15th in the world in terms of legal per capita gun ownership. However, acquiring a gun is not an easy process -steps to gun ownership include a medical examination and a written test.

Police are unarmed, too. The only officers permitted to carry firearms are on a special force called the Viking Squad, and they are seldom called out.

In addition, there are, comparatively speaking, few hard drugs in Iceland.

According to a 2012 UNODC report, use among 15-64-year-olds in Iceland of cocaine was 0.9%, of ecstasy 0.5%, and of amphetamines 0.7%.

There is also a tradition in Iceland of pre-empting crime issues before they arise, or stopping issues at the nascent stages before they can get worse.

Right now, police are cracking down on organised crime while members of the Icelandic parliament, Althingi, are considering laws that will aid in dismantling these networks.

Maybe it is the free college?


Keep trying.......little drug use.....little crime...Iceland is a law abiding society...but that too is changing.....Icelanders have guns...they don't commit murder.....The currently don't have the social pathologies that turn their young men into killers....

Things People Say Without Thinking- Gun Ownership in Iceland

There is no guaranteed right to own a gun in Iceland.

You may only own a gun with permission of the government.

All sales of guns are registered and kept with an official registrar.

You must demonstrate a valid purpose for owning a firearm.

"Self Defense" is specifically not a valid purpose for owning a firearm.

You may only own a firearm if you have done the required training, and you are 18 years old.

A unique identifying mark is required by law on all guns.
 

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