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[Ray From Cleveland]

...Oh, and like in 5 years no one has died on our lake because someone was drunk. The cop said, "I don't care if you have a beer in your hand just don't be drunk"

Is that how you want the laws enforced on drinking and driving on the highways? How fucking stupid is that?

You wouldn’t understand you don’t have a boat and you’re a square. I’m high on it too. Boat not a car.

Then you should go to jail before your irresponsible behavior harms another boater.

Funny that he seems to think driving a boat impaired is somehow okay.

What an asinine position to hold.

It's the same "oh, isn't it a lark!" bullshit attitude that a lot of people used to take to drunk driving on the highways 40 or 50 years ago. How many people, how many families, were killed because of such fucking assholes? Unfortunately, it is also the attitude that many people who come here from countries 40-50 years behind in cultural development bring with them. No excuse for someone born and raised here to be so fucking stupid and irresponsible.

You’ve never lived on a lake you ignorant little man

I've never lived in Utah either, but I know the law applies there, stupid.

I live on a lake. Private property private lake.

you should also don’t know people in gated communities drive golf carts drunk. You wouldn’t know because they have cops who will pull you over because you don’t belong clearly by how you are dressed and the car you drive which is?

If you live on a private lake why are cops out in boats?

We asked them to be there. Just don't torment us and give buzzed drivers DUI's. I bet they could give 100 DUI's on any given Saturday.

Oh and I like Ray from Cleveland's comment yesterday. Cops catch a lot of criminals by pulling people over for bullshit. Really? Fuck that Ray. How about we have checkpoints like in Palestine? So any criminals will be caught if they are out on the road. Or how about stop and frisk? Ray is right. We need more of a police state. LOL

We already do have checkpoints like that, they're called DUI checkpoints or Border patrol checkpoints.

You didn't think those were actually about drunk drivers or illegal aliens, did you?

We don’t have dui checkpoints here in Michigan and border patrol is watching the border. Do you object to border patrol?

But in a way I agree. If we are free we should be able to freely travel to mexico and Canada but we aren’t.

We used to be free to travel to Mexico and Canada, but what changed that? 911. We let bad people into the country freely that gave us the worse domestic attack in US history.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The problem is the other officers had nothing to do with Floyd's death. They were only holding his legs down which is procedure for restraining an out of control suspect. In essence, they were arrested and charged for doing their job exactly how they were trained. This is the problem when you're a cop working in a commie city. I hope when they are found not guilty, they sue that city into bankruptcy.

The people watching were screaming at them to let him go. Floyd was pleading for his life.

The other three officers did NOTHING while Chauvin slowly murdered Floyd right in front of them.

We need better officers than that.

Being on a police force is like being in the military. There is a chain of command. If a lower ranking officer stops his superior, they would be disciplined and that goes on your record. One of those citizens could have stopped him to, but they would have been arrested and charged.

The murderer was the training officer. Like I said, we need better officers than that.

Obviously the citizens would have been arrested for stopping the officers.

That's what I said. My point however is that these other officers should not have been charged. They were pretty much helpless to do anything. They are assuming the senior officer knows that they are doing. I'm sure if they could have predicted the death of Floyd, they would have done things differently. But I've watched hundreds of episodes of the show COPS (which has been taken off the air) and a lot of irate suspects claim they can't breathe just so they can get a chance at running away.

How much common sense is needed to step up and do something when a guy is pleading for his life saying that he can't breathe?

We need better officers than that.

I don't know what they're teaching those idiots in the academy, but if they can walk out of the academy and stand by and do NOTHING while one of them slowly murders a man right in front of them, then they need to re-evaluate their training program.

We deserve better officers than that. That's ridiculous.

None of the officers knew he was being killed. They see suspects put on the same act all the time. I do agree that the officer should have got off his neck, but if they charge him with murder, and the state doesn't allow the jury to rule on a lesser charge, this guy just might walk free because it really wasn't murder. It was more like manslaughter.

"None of the officers knew he was being killed."

The guy was pleading that he can't breathe and the onlookers were screaming their concerns as the nine minutes went on. No excuses for those piece of shit former officers.

And I can pretty much guarantee that if not for the cell phone video, all four of them would have gone along with whatever bullshit story they could come up with to avoid getting fired.

Then they would have been charged with also filing a false police report. Like I said, watch the show COPS sometime. Many episodes show suspects cry about not being able to breathe. I think after a while they get numb to the claim. I don't think the other officers believed Floyd, and probably not the cop that was kneeling on his neck. I'd be willing to bet this isn't the first time he restrained a suspect like that. He was on the force close to 20 years.

I'll reserve judgments until the official autopsy report is out and we find out what he died from, and if it had anything to do with the cops knee. The preliminary autopsy showed he had illegal narcotics in his system, several serous health issues, and they used the word "restrained" as part of the reason he likely died, but never said anything about the knee.

They would have been charged with filing a false police report if they got caught, which they probably wouldn't have.

Everyone has watched the show Cops. When someone says they can't breathe, they should evaluate the situation instead of ignoring it. They should also not kneel on the handcuffed suspect's neck for 9 minutes, including 3 minutes after he has gone unconscious. This isn't complicated.

Maybe, just maybe, he's saying he can't breathe because his airway is restricted.
Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the officer kneeling on his neck.
Maybe, just maybe, having an officer kneel on your neck for nine minutes is detrimental to your breathing.

Did these thoughts ever go through their minds? They can't plead ignorance, like you're trying to do, because he was clearly pleading for help and onlookers were clearly getting their attention this his life was in danger if they didn't stop kneeling on him. The other three officers did NOTHING while all of this happened and we don't need pieces of shit like that with a badge.

The independent autopsy says that he died from asphyxia.

"Attorneys for Floyd's family released the results of an independent autopsy report Monday afternoon showing that Floyd's death was caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."

George Floyd's family, county officials release autopsy results declaring homicide

Results released Monday from two separate autopsies declared the May 25 death of George Floyd a homicide.

www.foxnews.com

And independent autopsy is not an official unbiased autopsy. After all, who paid for that independent autopsy anyway?

How am I being ignorant by saying wait until all the investigations and official autopsy come out before making judgement? The cop might be guilty as all hell, and he may not be. It's not like we're talking about a sober guy here with no health problems. Anything is possible, and the American way is to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I have no horse in this race.

Again, the officers that were holding down his legs didn't know he was killing Floyd, if that's what indeed killed them. They aren't going to risk their career by assuming the suspect was genuine, and losing their job and perhaps their career over a criminal. If they knew he was killing Floyd, I'm sure they would have done something.

The person who conducted the independent autopsy is more knowledgeable on that subject than you or I. What gives you the authority to think his work is wrong? Oh right, none.

"Again, the officers that were holding down his legs didn't know he was killing Floyd"

He was pleading for his life and onlookers were screaming at them to let him go in fear that he was going to die. Are they blind, deaf, and retarded? I don't see how else they could have been as oblivious as you claim them to be.

Maybe when the suspect is pleading that he can't breathe while their fellow officer is kneeling on his neck for nine minutes, they should fucking do something about it. Maybe. What a crazy concept.

Hindsight is 20/20.

So how many medical experts were in that crowd screaming at the officers anyhow?

Yes, the doctor that did the independent autopsy knows much more about it than anybody here, but his results are suspect given who paid him. That's why an unbiased report needs to come out before I make a decision on right or wrong. But that begs the question: What would you say if the state autopsy shows that he died from something else, and not the knee on the neck? Then what position will you take????

We don't know if any of them were medical experts. As far as we know, they weren't - just civilians. Those civilians had enough common sense to determine that kneeling on a guy's neck for nine minutes while he pleads for his life might mean that his life is in danger.

The civilians understood that. Why couldn't the other three officers???

I know what I saw. Chauvin murdered him. That's why even your fellow conservatives aren't defending them. One of my friends is a police officer and very conservative - he didn't hesitate to call this what we all know it is. Murder.

Murder requires proof, and that proof is not in just yet.

The proof is in but the verdict isn’t yet

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

...Oh, and like in 5 years no one has died on our lake because someone was drunk. The cop said, "I don't care if you have a beer in your hand just don't be drunk"

Is that how you want the laws enforced on drinking and driving on the highways? How fucking stupid is that?

You wouldn’t understand you don’t have a boat and you’re a square. I’m high on it too. Boat not a car.

Then you should go to jail before your irresponsible behavior harms another boater.

Funny that he seems to think driving a boat impaired is somehow okay.

What an asinine position to hold.

It's the same "oh, isn't it a lark!" bullshit attitude that a lot of people used to take to drunk driving on the highways 40 or 50 years ago. How many people, how many families, were killed because of such fucking assholes? Unfortunately, it is also the attitude that many people who come here from countries 40-50 years behind in cultural development bring with them. No excuse for someone born and raised here to be so fucking stupid and irresponsible.

You’ve never lived on a lake you ignorant little man

I've never lived in Utah either, but I know the law applies there, stupid.

I live on a lake. Private property private lake.

you should also don’t know people in gated communities drive golf carts drunk. You wouldn’t know because they have cops who will pull you over because you don’t belong clearly by how you are dressed and the car you drive which is?

If you live on a private lake why are cops out in boats?

We asked them to be there. Just don't torment us and give buzzed drivers DUI's. I bet they could give 100 DUI's on any given Saturday.

Oh and I like Ray from Cleveland's comment yesterday. Cops catch a lot of criminals by pulling people over for bullshit. Really? Fuck that Ray. How about we have checkpoints like in Palestine? So any criminals will be caught if they are out on the road. Or how about stop and frisk? Ray is right. We need more of a police state. LOL

The problem with your argument is that stop and frisk actually worked. It saved many black lives that would have otherwise been lost. If you don't break any laws on the road, you don't have to worry about getting pulled over. Outside of my job as a truck driver for random inspections, I haven't been pulled over by a cop in over 20 years in my car. How did I accomplish that? Not by being white. I accomplished that by obeying the laws on the road.

yea ray just suspending the bill of rights would reduce the crime rate....

We can be like the Japanese?

Stop it

It worked beyond ending in constant unconstitutional searches and just general harassment along with a reduced crime rate.

Your anecdote proves the point....You've never had a cop roll up on the passing lane and purposely slow down to get you to try to pass him (illegal to pass on the right in my state)

That's pure delusion and you fucking know it.

Oh please, cops have better things to do. Stop and Frisk worked and there is evidence to back me up. Sometimes you have to bend with the wind if you want or need a little extra protection.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

...Oh, and like in 5 years no one has died on our lake because someone was drunk. The cop said, "I don't care if you have a beer in your hand just don't be drunk"

Is that how you want the laws enforced on drinking and driving on the highways? How fucking stupid is that?

You wouldn’t understand you don’t have a boat and you’re a square. I’m high on it too. Boat not a car.

Then you should go to jail before your irresponsible behavior harms another boater.

Funny that he seems to think driving a boat impaired is somehow okay.

What an asinine position to hold.

It's the same "oh, isn't it a lark!" bullshit attitude that a lot of people used to take to drunk driving on the highways 40 or 50 years ago. How many people, how many families, were killed because of such fucking assholes? Unfortunately, it is also the attitude that many people who come here from countries 40-50 years behind in cultural development bring with them. No excuse for someone born and raised here to be so fucking stupid and irresponsible.

You’ve never lived on a lake you ignorant little man

I've never lived in Utah either, but I know the law applies there, stupid.

I live on a lake. Private property private lake.

you should also don’t know people in gated communities drive golf carts drunk. You wouldn’t know because they have cops who will pull you over because you don’t belong clearly by how you are dressed and the car you drive which is?

If you live on a private lake why are cops out in boats?

We asked them to be there. Just don't torment us and give buzzed drivers DUI's. I bet they could give 100 DUI's on any given Saturday.

Oh and I like Ray from Cleveland's comment yesterday. Cops catch a lot of criminals by pulling people over for bullshit. Really? Fuck that Ray. How about we have checkpoints like in Palestine? So any criminals will be caught if they are out on the road. Or how about stop and frisk? Ray is right. We need more of a police state. LOL

The problem with your argument is that stop and frisk actually worked. It saved many black lives that would have otherwise been lost. If you don't break any laws on the road, you don't have to worry about getting pulled over. Outside of my job as a truck driver for random inspections, I haven't been pulled over by a cop in over 20 years in my car. How did I accomplish that? Not by being white. I accomplished that by obeying the laws on the road.

We could catch a lot of criminals if everyone was forced to undergo mandatory lie detector testing every quarter as well, but we don't live in a country like that and I, and a lot of other men like me, will happily start killing people to ensure we don't......... ever.

You're going to compare getting pulled over for traffic violations to lie detector tests? Seriously?

Cops often pull people over for bullshit and even when they do have an actual violation to justify the stop, they don't limit their interest to just writing the ticket, they go fishing..... and that pisses people off.

If there are specific articulable facts in evidence that justify further action, then proceed.... if not, write the ticket and fuck off.

Well that's never happened to me or anybody I know. Again, the exception is when I was driving a truck. They pulled you over just for the sake of inspecting. They can search your trailer, search under the trailer, inside the hood of your truck, and even inside the cab if they desire. They can also demand an on the spot drug test for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So. What?

Let those thugs with badges go. They were doing more harm than good anyway.

We'll replace them with intelligent and decent law enforcement professionals.

Just like that? Do you really think it's that simple? Is it that simple when people say things like "just kill those fucking animals burning the cities down"? Simplify, dehumanize, dismiss? Is any real progress on anything going to be made with this kind of thinking on any side?

It really is that simple. It would be easier if you didn’t fight reforming the cops. You support systemic racism.

Reform the cops how? What reforms do you want to see?

From his comments here it sure seems as if he wants them to stop enforcing the law.

What he doesn't understand is the more difficult you make it on police officers, the less quality of officers you will get in the future. You can't reform the police every single time a bad apple makes a story for the MSM. Most police forces work diligently to get the best officers possible. But nothing will stop some from slipping through the cracks. All you can really do is remove the bad cops once they are exposed.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

That was the official autopsy. There is no other autopsy scheduled.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

That was the official autopsy. There is no other autopsy scheduled.

I just looked and according to NPR, it is out:

A full autopsy report on George Floyd, the man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police last month, reveals that he was positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.

www.npr.org

So there you have it. Two autopsies that reached different conclusions. So much for my hypothetical.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

That was the official autopsy. There is no other autopsy scheduled.

I just looked and according to NPR, it is out:

A full autopsy report on George Floyd, the man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police last month, reveals that he was positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.

www.npr.org

So there you have it. Two autopsies that reached different conclusions. So much for my hypothetical.

That was on June 4th. Man you're way behind. Both autopsies are in agreement that it was a homicide. I noticed you cut that part out.

"Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide." Kind of an important detail to leave out. It's ok, I understand why you did that.

They're also just describing the same thing in different ways.

The Two Autopsies Of George Floyd Aren’t As Different As They Seem

Do the autopsies of George Floyd agree, or not? News reports from last week suggest the report produced by the Hennepin County medical examiner and the one prod…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

That was the official autopsy. There is no other autopsy scheduled.

I just looked and according to NPR, it is out:

A full autopsy report on George Floyd, the man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police last month, reveals that he was positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.

www.npr.org

So there you have it. Two autopsies that reached different conclusions. So much for my hypothetical.

That was on June 4th. Man you're way behind. Both autopsies are in agreement that it was a homicide. I noticed you cut that part out.

"Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide." Kind of an important detail to leave out. It's ok, I understand why you did that.

They're also just describing the same thing in different ways.

The Two Autopsies Of George Floyd Aren’t As Different As They Seem

Do the autopsies of George Floyd agree, or not? News reports from last week suggest the report produced by the Hennepin County medical examiner and the one prod…

fivethirtyeight.com

I didn't leave anything out, that's why I provided the link. I wasn't going to copy/paste all of it. In any case, his heart gave out on him. He was loaded with two different illegal narcotics, had the virus, and multiple other medical problems. It will be an interesting defense for the officers.

I read your article as well. Here is what some of it said:

The Hennepin County autopsy may have mentioned factors beyond police conduct, but it was really just saying Floyd’s heart stopped while police were restraining him and pressing on his neck, said Melinek, Carter and Dr. Michael Freeman, professor of forensic medicine and epidemiology at Maastricht University in the Netherlands. It’s not a claim that he died of a heart attack, drugs, or pre-existing conditions, they told me. “The cause of death is police restraint,” Melinek said, just like in the autopsy Floyd’s family commissioned.

Now if you read the entire article, it goes on to say that one specific thing is usually not the cause of death. One thing leads to another. So again, his death was not caused by the kneeling alone. Part of it? Yes, but so were several other things. And they keep mentioning the word "restraint" in the preliminary and final autopsy.

So I think what's going to happen is they are going to drag both of these doctors to court, and ask them if for certain Floyd would be alive today if not for the officer kneeling on his neck? I don't think either could testify that yes he would.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

That was the official autopsy. There is no other autopsy scheduled.

I just looked and according to NPR, it is out:

A full autopsy report on George Floyd, the man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police last month, reveals that he was positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.

www.npr.org

So there you have it. Two autopsies that reached different conclusions. So much for my hypothetical.

That was on June 4th. Man you're way behind. Both autopsies are in agreement that it was a homicide. I noticed you cut that part out.

"Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide." Kind of an important detail to leave out. It's ok, I understand why you did that.

They're also just describing the same thing in different ways.

The Two Autopsies Of George Floyd Aren’t As Different As They Seem

Do the autopsies of George Floyd agree, or not? News reports from last week suggest the report produced by the Hennepin County medical examiner and the one prod…

fivethirtyeight.com

I didn't leave anything out, that's why I provided the link. I wasn't going to copy/paste all of it. In any case, his heart gave out on him. He was loaded with two different illegal narcotics, had the virus, and multiple other medical problems. It will be an interesting defense for the officers.

I read your article as well. Here is what some of it said:

The Hennepin County autopsy may have mentioned factors beyond police conduct, but it was really just saying Floyd’s heart stopped while police were restraining him and pressing on his neck, said Melinek, Carter and Dr. Michael Freeman, professor of forensic medicine and epidemiology at Maastricht University in the Netherlands. It’s not a claim that he died of a heart attack, drugs, or pre-existing conditions, they told me. “The cause of death is police restraint,” Melinek said, just like in the autopsy Floyd’s family commissioned.

Now if you read the entire article, it goes on to say that one specific thing is usually not the cause of death. One thing leads to another. So again, his death was not caused by the kneeling alone. Part of it? Yes, but so were several other things. And they keep mentioning the word "restraint" in the preliminary and final autopsy.

So I think what's going to happen is they are going to drag both of these doctors to court, and ask them if for certain Floyd would be alive today if not for the officer kneeling on his neck? I don't think either could testify that yes he would.

You left this part out: "Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide."

They're perfectly clear on this. “The cause of death is police restraint,”

I don't know how much more clear they could make that for you. It's a homicide. The officer killed him. Both autopsy reports agree that this was a homicide. Pretty simple. What part are you confused about?

Here's a Fox News link for you.

"Results released Monday from two separate autopsies declared the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of police to be a homicide."

George Floyd's family, county officials release autopsy results declaring homicide

Results released Monday from two separate autopsies declared the May 25 death of George Floyd a homicide.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Juicin]

...Oh, and like in 5 years no one has died on our lake because someone was drunk. The cop said, "I don't care if you have a beer in your hand just don't be drunk"

Is that how you want the laws enforced on drinking and driving on the highways? How fucking stupid is that?

You wouldn’t understand you don’t have a boat and you’re a square. I’m high on it too. Boat not a car.

Then you should go to jail before your irresponsible behavior harms another boater.

Funny that he seems to think driving a boat impaired is somehow okay.

What an asinine position to hold.

It's the same "oh, isn't it a lark!" bullshit attitude that a lot of people used to take to drunk driving on the highways 40 or 50 years ago. How many people, how many families, were killed because of such fucking assholes? Unfortunately, it is also the attitude that many people who come here from countries 40-50 years behind in cultural development bring with them. No excuse for someone born and raised here to be so fucking stupid and irresponsible.

You’ve never lived on a lake you ignorant little man

I've never lived in Utah either, but I know the law applies there, stupid.

I live on a lake. Private property private lake.

you should also don’t know people in gated communities drive golf carts drunk. You wouldn’t know because they have cops who will pull you over because you don’t belong clearly by how you are dressed and the car you drive which is?

If you live on a private lake why are cops out in boats?

We asked them to be there. Just don't torment us and give buzzed drivers DUI's. I bet they could give 100 DUI's on any given Saturday.

Oh and I like Ray from Cleveland's comment yesterday. Cops catch a lot of criminals by pulling people over for bullshit. Really? Fuck that Ray. How about we have checkpoints like in Palestine? So any criminals will be caught if they are out on the road. Or how about stop and frisk? Ray is right. We need more of a police state. LOL

The problem with your argument is that stop and frisk actually worked. It saved many black lives that would have otherwise been lost. If you don't break any laws on the road, you don't have to worry about getting pulled over. Outside of my job as a truck driver for random inspections, I haven't been pulled over by a cop in over 20 years in my car. How did I accomplish that? Not by being white. I accomplished that by obeying the laws on the road.

yea ray just suspending the bill of rights would reduce the crime rate....

We can be like the Japanese?

Stop it

It worked beyond ending in constant unconstitutional searches and just general harassment along with a reduced crime rate.

Your anecdote proves the point....You've never had a cop roll up on the passing lane and purposely slow down to get you to try to pass him (illegal to pass on the right in my state)

That's pure delusion and you fucking know it.

Oh please, cops have better things to do. Stop and Frisk worked and there is evidence to back me up. Sometimes you have to bend with the wind if you want or need a little extra protection.

lol sure ray

if they do it to me, they sure as shit do it to black young men

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

That was the official autopsy. There is no other autopsy scheduled.

I just looked and according to NPR, it is out:

A full autopsy report on George Floyd, the man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police last month, reveals that he was positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.

www.npr.org

So there you have it. Two autopsies that reached different conclusions. So much for my hypothetical.

That was on June 4th. Man you're way behind. Both autopsies are in agreement that it was a homicide. I noticed you cut that part out.

"Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide." Kind of an important detail to leave out. It's ok, I understand why you did that.

They're also just describing the same thing in different ways.

The Two Autopsies Of George Floyd Aren’t As Different As They Seem

Do the autopsies of George Floyd agree, or not? News reports from last week suggest the report produced by the Hennepin County medical examiner and the one prod…

fivethirtyeight.com

I didn't leave anything out, that's why I provided the link. I wasn't going to copy/paste all of it. In any case, his heart gave out on him. He was loaded with two different illegal narcotics, had the virus, and multiple other medical problems. It will be an interesting defense for the officers.

I read your article as well. Here is what some of it said:

The Hennepin County autopsy may have mentioned factors beyond police conduct, but it was really just saying Floyd’s heart stopped while police were restraining him and pressing on his neck, said Melinek, Carter and Dr. Michael Freeman, professor of forensic medicine and epidemiology at Maastricht University in the Netherlands. It’s not a claim that he died of a heart attack, drugs, or pre-existing conditions, they told me. “The cause of death is police restraint,” Melinek said, just like in the autopsy Floyd’s family commissioned.

Now if you read the entire article, it goes on to say that one specific thing is usually not the cause of death. One thing leads to another. So again, his death was not caused by the kneeling alone. Part of it? Yes, but so were several other things. And they keep mentioning the word "restraint" in the preliminary and final autopsy.

So I think what's going to happen is they are going to drag both of these doctors to court, and ask them if for certain Floyd would be alive today if not for the officer kneeling on his neck? I don't think either could testify that yes he would.

You left this part out: "Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide."

They're perfectly clear on this. “The cause of death is police restraint,”

I don't know how much more clear they could make that for you. It's a homicide. The officer killed him. Both autopsy reports agree that this was a homicide. Pretty simple. What part are you confused about?

Here's a Fox News link for you.

"Results released Monday from two separate autopsies declared the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of police to be a homicide."

George Floyd's family, county officials release autopsy results declaring homicide

Results released Monday from two separate autopsies declared the May 25 death of George Floyd a homicide.

www.foxnews.com

The problem is you think the word homicide is the same as murder. It's really not. Homicide is a death by another person. So there is no doubt it was a homicide. The question is whether it's a murder or not.

In other words, a police officer shoots somebody running at him with a machete. That's ruled a homicide. It was self-defense, and justifiable, but it's still a homicide because the maniac was killed by the police officer.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The proof is not in and won't be until an official autopsy comes out.

That was the official autopsy. There is no other autopsy scheduled.

I just looked and according to NPR, it is out:

A full autopsy report on George Floyd, the man who died after being restrained by Minneapolis police last month, reveals that he was positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The 20-page report also indicates that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of his death, although the drugs are not listed as the cause.

The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

This medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For Coronavirus

The 20-page report released Wednesday shows that Floyd tested positive for the virus in early April. It also confirmed fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system at the time of death.

www.npr.org

So there you have it. Two autopsies that reached different conclusions. So much for my hypothetical.

That was on June 4th. Man you're way behind. Both autopsies are in agreement that it was a homicide. I noticed you cut that part out.

"Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide." Kind of an important detail to leave out. It's ok, I understand why you did that.

They're also just describing the same thing in different ways.

The Two Autopsies Of George Floyd Aren’t As Different As They Seem

Do the autopsies of George Floyd agree, or not? News reports from last week suggest the report produced by the Hennepin County medical examiner and the one prod…

fivethirtyeight.com

I didn't leave anything out, that's why I provided the link. I wasn't going to copy/paste all of it. In any case, his heart gave out on him. He was loaded with two different illegal narcotics, had the virus, and multiple other medical problems. It will be an interesting defense for the officers.

I read your article as well. Here is what some of it said:

The Hennepin County autopsy may have mentioned factors beyond police conduct, but it was really just saying Floyd’s heart stopped while police were restraining him and pressing on his neck, said Melinek, Carter and Dr. Michael Freeman, professor of forensic medicine and epidemiology at Maastricht University in the Netherlands. It’s not a claim that he died of a heart attack, drugs, or pre-existing conditions, they told me. “The cause of death is police restraint,” Melinek said, just like in the autopsy Floyd’s family commissioned.

Now if you read the entire article, it goes on to say that one specific thing is usually not the cause of death. One thing leads to another. So again, his death was not caused by the kneeling alone. Part of it? Yes, but so were several other things. And they keep mentioning the word "restraint" in the preliminary and final autopsy.

So I think what's going to happen is they are going to drag both of these doctors to court, and ask them if for certain Floyd would be alive today if not for the officer kneeling on his neck? I don't think either could testify that yes he would.

You left this part out: "Floyd's death has been ruled a homicide."

They're perfectly clear on this. “The cause of death is police restraint,”

I don't know how much more clear they could make that for you. It's a homicide. The officer killed him. Both autopsy reports agree that this was a homicide. Pretty simple. What part are you confused about?

Here's a Fox News link for you.

"Results released Monday from two separate autopsies declared the May 25 death of George Floyd at the hands of police to be a homicide."

George Floyd's family, county officials release autopsy results declaring homicide

Results released Monday from two separate autopsies declared the May 25 death of George Floyd a homicide.

www.foxnews.com

The problem is you think the word homicide is the same as murder. It's really not. Homicide is a death by another person. So there is no doubt it was a homicide. The question is whether it's a murder or not.

In other words, a police officer shoots somebody running at him with a machete. That's ruled a homicide. It was self-defense, and justifiable, but it's still a homicide because the maniac was killed by the police officer.

Duh.

So Chauvin killed him. Homicide. That means he didn't die from a heart attack or drugs or anything else. He died because the officer killed him.

Your theoretical question wasn't based in reality. We already had the answer. It was a homicide. Both autopsy reports concluded that Chauvin killed Floyd.

 

[XponentialChaos]

How am I being ignorant by saying wait until all the investigations and official autopsy come out before making judgement? The cop might be guilty as all hell, and he may not be.

I'll reserve judgments until the official autopsy report is out and we find out what he died from, and if it had anything to do with the cops knee.

Yes, the doctor that did the independent autopsy knows much more about it than anybody here, but his results are suspect given who paid him. That's why an unbiased report needs to come out before I make a decision on right or wrong.

Apparently you were ignorant in not knowing that the autopsy report came out 10 days ago. But anyway, back to these statements of yours.

Now that you know of the autopsy reports, what's your judgement on the situation?

 

[Unkotare]

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Had you gone to college you'd know that
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Again with this?

 

[Unkotare]

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So you side with the black guy this one time? ...

I wouldn't expect a typically stupid, racist democrat to understand, but I don't side with or against anyone based on the color of their skin.

You don’t realize you’re doing it but we do

You wouldn't lift a finger to actually try to make things better. All talk, all trolling.

 

[JoeB131]

Super article:

America, We Are Leaving

This is the hardest thing I have written. I grew up in a law enforcement family. My father worked his

www.lawofficer.com

The mentally ill used to get treatment and now they just send cops. Kids used to be taught respect and now it’s cool to be disrespectful.

Supervisors used to back you when you were right but now they accuse you of being wrong in order to appease crazy people.

Parents used to get mad at their kids for getting arrested and now they get mad at us.

The media used to highlight the positive contribution our profession gave to society and now they either ignore it or twist the truth for controversy to line their own pockets.

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Great article.

We are throwing away a great asset.

Because of a bunch of ignorant assholes.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

There are a whole bunch of people who will happily take those jobs, and probably do them better.

 

[Silver Cat]

Another "unarmed black" was eliminated by "white cops". The streets became bit more safer.

 

[Care4all]

Super article:

America, We Are Leaving

This is the hardest thing I have written. I grew up in a law enforcement family. My father worked his

www.lawofficer.com

The mentally ill used to get treatment and now they just send cops. Kids used to be taught respect and now it’s cool to be disrespectful.

Supervisors used to back you when you were right but now they accuse you of being wrong in order to appease crazy people.

Parents used to get mad at their kids for getting arrested and now they get mad at us.

The media used to highlight the positive contribution our profession gave to society and now they either ignore it or twist the truth for controversy to line their own pockets.

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Great article.

We are throwing away a great asset.

Because of a bunch of ignorant assholes.

While I don't think policing in concept is something we should get rid of

Our police are out of control, and so are the unions

They need to learn some harsh lessons this will be good for them not bad for them.

They treat citizens worse than our soldiers treated Iraqis on average.

If the police unions are out of control so are all the public employee unions

we live in a declining culture that gives too much attention to brainless pop stars

a culture with a rising rate of fatherless homes which are breeding grounds for the criminal class

the cops are not perfect but neither is the public they must deal with every day

If you claim public employee unions are bad, then you should be against police unions, are you?

 

[Care4all]

I feel the pain of the majority good cops, but they let their union protect the bad cops and keep them on staff.

That has given the whole lot, a bad name.

Blacks have always complained about Not being treated equally by cops, we believed the cops over them, near always, for decades....

But now we have cameras and video recorders on us, 24/7 in our cell phones....And we are now seeing cops murder unarmed blacks for loose cigarette selling, carrying a toy gun, shoplifting, and passing a bad $20, that you may not have even known was bad....

That's a rude awakening, to many whites....