Corporate Welfare = Creeping Facism

[tinydancer]

Fascism Creeping = Corporate Welfare

Those of us who are familiar with the world's history know that the old line "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" isn't just a cute phrase, but it's a fact of human nature, and its invariably proven throughout human history.

Democracy was a concept started to make sure the power of the state is held within the hands of all the people, and never within a select few. As soon as power is concentrated, it is inevitably abused. This creates a cycle of creeping fascism.

Democracy means power of the people, by the people, and for the people, and the United States of America was founded on this principle. Under this principle, the people need to be informed, educated, and need the power to make the decisions for the state. When these conditions are met, Democracy can flourish. When these conditions are not met, then Democracy disappears.

Our founding fathers wanted to insure Democracy for our country. Benjamin Franklin created the public library, the purpose being no citizen will be secluded from public knowledge. He also founded the public school, the purpose being no citizen will be without a basic education.

There were other steps needed to preserve Democracy that were never taken, that were not written in the Constitution, because they could have never been predicted.



Fascism Creeping

Holy shit. America is not a democracy.

You are a fucking Republic you moron. You can't even tell truth in your OP.

Sweet lord.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Fascism Creeping = Corporate Welfare

it goes without saying that the larger the liberals make government the more crony fascist capitalism there will be. Solyndra is the perfect example of liberal fascism.

I thought Merrill was a liberal?

 

[konradv]

The "power" has always been with the rich, no matter what form of government you're speaking of...Democracy, Republic, Socialist, Communist...it doesn't matter, people with wealth have power, always have...always will. What's made this country so great is that we have a set of laws designed to protect everyone...not just the wealthy. The "rule of law" is what protects Americans...and is something the Founding Fathers actually made it rather difficult to change with good reason.

We should cut into that power a bit by going to public financing of elections. "Rule of law" is well and good, but how often do you hear about someone being screwed by a law and nothing's done because "powerful" interests are behind it? I think this is a matter that the FFs didn't envision or did and gave us the means to rectify it. It's time for a Constitutional amendment instituting public financing and banning Congressional "insider trading", too. The side effect would be that our representitives would have more time for OUR business, instead of spending so much of it selling their vote to the highest bidder. Pork knows no party.

 

[Meister]

Who is to blame for that? Simple: turds like you are to blame. People who think government should control development or subsidize it are to blame. That's exactly the policy Obama and Congressional Democrats pursued with the so-called "stimulus" bill. That's why we have things like the Solyndra bankruptcy and the GM bailout. That's what crony capitalism is.

And how about this:

Enforcement is a joke these days, because there simply are no cops. Johnston said that, while the number of US taxpayers is growing rapidly, the number of IRS auditors is down by a third—and, not surprisingly, cheating is on the rise. The story is the same at the Department of Labor, OSHA, and other agencies tasked with keeping America 's economic and employment rules fair and equitable.

Johnstone then boggled the crowd with a blunt assertion: "We pay billions of dollars in taxes that never get to the government." Much of the sales tax we pay at big box stores and shopping centers is diverted to the large companies that own the stores. It's just one of the many swindles these chains have learned to perpetrate against city and county governments.

This is so effective that the Cabela family, which owns a chain of big-box sporting goods stores, receives 137% of its profits from taxpayer subsidies. If they couldn't work this scam, they wouldn't be in business at all.

The heart of the wealth transfer is tax increment financing (TIF). Store owners come to town leaders and offer to build a new store that, they promise, will "create jobs." In exchange, the city gives them the land, builds the store to their specifications, and finances it all with tax-free municipal bonds (which are usually held by associates of the store owners).

To cap it all, the store keeps the sales tax generated in the store to pay off the bond holders. If the store is built on government land, it's also exempt from paying any property taxes.

UUA: A Voice of Economic Populism

Not to mention that merrill wants the government to take over the healthcare industry.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

lets remember what Grover Norquist said about this country.

He wanted to shrink it so he could drown it in the bath tub

You fucking liar.. that is NOT what Norquist said. You are without a doubt the most dishonest person here. No wonder everyone mocks you... you're a fucking joke.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Who is to blame for that? Simple: turds like you are to blame. People who think government should control development or subsidize it are to blame. That's exactly the policy Obama and Congressional Democrats pursued with the so-called "stimulus" bill. That's why we have things like the Solyndra bankruptcy and the GM bailout. That's what crony capitalism is.

And how about this:

Enforcement is a joke these days, because there simply are no cops. Johnston said that, while the number of US taxpayers is growing rapidly, the number of IRS auditors is down by a third—and, not surprisingly, cheating is on the rise. The story is the same at the Department of Labor, OSHA, and other agencies tasked with keeping America 's economic and employment rules fair and equitable.

Johnstone then boggled the crowd with a blunt assertion: "We pay billions of dollars in taxes that never get to the government." Much of the sales tax we pay at big box stores and shopping centers is diverted to the large companies that own the stores. It's just one of the many swindles these chains have learned to perpetrate against city and county governments.

This is so effective that the Cabela family, which owns a chain of big-box sporting goods stores, receives 137% of its profits from taxpayer subsidies. If they couldn't work this scam, they wouldn't be in business at all.

The heart of the wealth transfer is tax increment financing (TIF). Store owners come to town leaders and offer to build a new store that, they promise, will "create jobs." In exchange, the city gives them the land, builds the store to their specifications, and finances it all with tax-free municipal bonds (which are usually held by associates of the store owners).

To cap it all, the store keeps the sales tax generated in the store to pay off the bond holders. If the store is built on government land, it's also exempt from paying any property taxes.

UUA: A Voice of Economic Populism

Not to mention that merrill wants the government to take over the healthcare industry.

Yeah, that's ok.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Not to mention that merrill wants the government to take over the healthcare industry.

got it, she's against crony fascist capitalism except in health care???

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Fascism Creeping = Corporate Welfare

Those of us who are familiar with the world's history know that the old line "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" isn't just a cute phrase, but it's a fact of human nature, and its invariably proven throughout human history.

Democracy was a concept started to make sure the power of the state is held within the hands of all the people, and never within a select few. As soon as power is concentrated, it is inevitably abused. This creates a cycle of creeping fascism.

Democracy means power of the people, by the people, and for the people, and the United States of America was founded on this principle. Under this principle, the people need to be informed, educated, and need the power to make the decisions for the state. When these conditions are met, Democracy can flourish. When these conditions are not met, then Democracy disappears.

Our founding fathers wanted to insure Democracy for our country. Benjamin Franklin created the public library, the purpose being no citizen will be secluded from public knowledge. He also founded the public school, the purpose being no citizen will be without a basic education.

There were other steps needed to preserve Democracy that were never taken, that were not written in the Constitution, because they could have never been predicted.



Fascism Creeping

Holy shit. America is not a democracy.

You are a fucking Republic you moron. You can't even tell truth in your OP.

Sweet lord.

You must understand Marxists....

 

[tinydancer]

Merrill how did you never learn you as America are a Republic and not a Democracy?

"The democrat, leaping into the air to flap his wings and praise God, is for ever coming down with a thump. The seeds of his disaster...lie in his own stupidity: he can never get rid of the naive delusion...that happiness is something to be got by taking it away from the other fellow."

What then are we to make of this ruinous "legalized plunder," that we call participatory democracy and extole as some sort of political Nirvana?

This incongruous notion that gangling masses of men, who find enjoyable entertainment in Reality TV and profundity in National Inquirer, can presciently determine the destiny of great nations?

What we are to make of it is that America was never meant to be a pure democracy with "absolute majority will" ruling the country under the bumptious guidance of unruly masses.

She was meant to be a strictly limited Constitutional Republic governed by level headed, high-minded men of sagacity and self-discipline whose chief function is to preserve individual rights rather than render them senseless and non-existent.

In other words, the Founding Fathers recognized that, because of the nature of life itself, all men possessed a certain set of rights that were never to be put up for vote. One of the most important of these was a man's right to his property (which meant also his wages and his profits).

This is the fundamental cornerstone of our system and precisely where it differs from the rapacious tumult of a democracy. The majority will is supposed to be severely limited and have no power to redistribute a man's earnings. America's Founding Fathers knew their history well, and had seen the ultimate result of democracies -- that they vote themselves into tyrannies marked by constant unrest and sedition.

James Madison gave us sage advice when he warned that, "democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security and the rights of property; and have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

John Adams advised his fellow countrymen: "There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

Thomas Jefferson, writing in relation to the Virginia legislature, stated, "One hundred and seventy-three despots" are "as oppressive as one," and that "an elective despotism was not the government we fought for."

Even the intellectuals of Rome recognized that their empire's greatness and freedom were directly related to their republican form of government. In the words of historian, Will Durant, Cicero believed, that "without checks and balances...democracy becomes mob rule, chaos and dictatorship." Cicero went on to say that the man usually chosen as leader in a democracy is "someone bold and unscrupulous...who curries favor with the people by giving them other men's property."

Are we in modern America any different? Are not our political leaders "bold and unscrupulous?"

Do they not attempt to "curry our favor" by advocating the redistribution of more and more personal wealth for social services? Is this not the same as giving the people "other men's property?" Have not all our modern era administrations throughout the 20th century been possessed of the same dictatorial inclinations? Have they not all advocated that the productive people of the nation give up progressively more of their earnings every year for those who do not wish to be productive?

Here then is the evil of a democracy with the "majority will" ruling absolutely.

It allows dictatorial control and confiscation to be utilized against the individual simply because the masses desire such control and confiscation to be utilized.

The concept of individual sovereignty is thus destroyed, a dangerous cloud of confusion develops in the area of social ethics, and the might of numbers becomes our only guide as to what is right and wrong.

 

[tinydancer]

Fascism Creeping = Corporate Welfare

Those of us who are familiar with the world's history know that the old line "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" isn't just a cute phrase, but it's a fact of human nature, and its invariably proven throughout human history.

Democracy was a concept started to make sure the power of the state is held within the hands of all the people, and never within a select few. As soon as power is concentrated, it is inevitably abused. This creates a cycle of creeping fascism.

Democracy means power of the people, by the people, and for the people, and the United States of America was founded on this principle. Under this principle, the people need to be informed, educated, and need the power to make the decisions for the state. When these conditions are met, Democracy can flourish. When these conditions are not met, then Democracy disappears.

Our founding fathers wanted to insure Democracy for our country. Benjamin Franklin created the public library, the purpose being no citizen will be secluded from public knowledge. He also founded the public school, the purpose being no citizen will be without a basic education.

There were other steps needed to preserve Democracy that were never taken, that were not written in the Constitution, because they could have never been predicted.



Fascism Creeping

Holy shit. America is not a democracy.

You are a fucking Republic you moron. You can't even tell truth in your OP.

Sweet lord.

You must understand Marxists....

lol, I had them as rulers for years up here. They were called the Liberal Party

Thank the good Lord, we made it across the finish line in the last federal election to have a majority Conservative government finally.

YAY

 

[M14 Shooter]

Fascism Creeping = Corporate Welfare

This from the guy who believes that it is impossible for a family of 4 to survive on less than $72,800/yr

Move along - nothing to see here.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Your first error is the claim that unions drive up wages. That's wrong. Unions drive up wages only for union members.

great point, the 30 million union guys whose jobs were driven offshore by union wages are treated like dirt so a the few remaining union workers can get rip off wages that the rest of pay for in higher prices.

Common sense says repeal the Wagner Act to in effect make unions illegal again.

 

[Mr Natural]

Your first error is the claim that unions drive up wages. That's wrong. Unions drive up wages only for union members.

great point, the 30 million union guys whose jobs were driven offshore by union wages are treated like dirt so a the few remaining union workers can get rip off wages that the rest of pay for in higher prices.

Common sense says repeal the Wagner Act to in effect make unions illegal again.

Yeah, because aren't nearly enough sweat shops or child labor and the work week is way too short.

And those fucking paid holidays and vacations.

It's wonder an honest business man can get by at all.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yeah, because aren't nearly enough sweat shops or child labor and the work week is way too short.

of course as a liberal you're nearly illiterate. Unions don't prevent sweat shops, capitalism does. If you don't provide the best jobs possible you lose your best workers to those who do pay the most possible. Just as you must provide the best products in the world to survive you also must provide the best jobs.

You were perfectly brainwashed but now you know better.

 

[Mr Natural]

Yeah, because aren't nearly enough sweat shops or child labor and the work week is way too short.

of course as a liberal you're nearly illiterate. Unions don't prevent sweat shops, capitalism does. If you don't provide the best jobs possible you lose your best workers to those who do pay the most possible. Just as you must provide the best products in the world to survive you also must provide the best jobs.

You were perfectly brainwashed but now you know better.

Are you this naive in real life or is it just an internet thing?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yeah, because aren't nearly enough sweat shops or child labor and the work week is way too short.

of course as a liberal you're nearly illiterate. Unions don't prevent sweat shops, capitalism does. If you don't provide the best jobs possible you lose your best workers to those who do pay the most possible. Just as you must provide the best products in the world to survive you also must provide the best jobs.

You were perfectly brainwashed but now you know better

Are you this naive in real life or is it just an internet thing?

of course if stupid you would not be so afraid to give your best example. What does your fear tell you?

 

[merrill]

Fascism Creeping = Corporate Welfare

This from the guy who believes that it is impossible for a family of 4 to survive on less than $72,800/yr

Move along - nothing to see here.

Isn't this a lie?

 

[Truthmatters]

Fascism Creeping = Corporate Welfare

Those of us who are familiar with the world's history know that the old line "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" isn't just a cute phrase, but it's a fact of human nature, and its invariably proven throughout human history.

Democracy was a concept started to make sure the power of the state is held within the hands of all the people, and never within a select few. As soon as power is concentrated, it is inevitably abused. This creates a cycle of creeping fascism.

Democracy means power of the people, by the people, and for the people, and the United States of America was founded on this principle. Under this principle, the people need to be informed, educated, and need the power to make the decisions for the state. When these conditions are met, Democracy can flourish. When these conditions are not met, then Democracy disappears.

Our founding fathers wanted to insure Democracy for our country. Benjamin Franklin created the public library, the purpose being no citizen will be secluded from public knowledge. He also founded the public school, the purpose being no citizen will be without a basic education.

There were other steps needed to preserve Democracy that were never taken, that were not written in the Constitution, because they could have never been predicted.



Fascism Creeping

Holy shit. America is not a democracy.

You are a fucking Republic you moron. You can't even tell truth in your OP.

Sweet lord.

You are lying.

we are a democracy and EVERY dictionary and encyclopedia in the world says so

 

[Truthmatters]

Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary



de·moc·ra·cy
noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
pluralde·moc·ra·cies








Definition of DEMOCRACY



1

a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2

: a political unit that has a democratic government


3

capitalized: the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States <from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy&#8212; C. M. Roberts>


4

: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority


5

: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

 

[konradv]

Yeah, because aren't nearly enough sweat shops or child labor and the work week is way too short.

of course as a liberal you're nearly illiterate. Unions don't prevent sweat shops, capitalism does. If you don't provide the best jobs possible you lose your best workers to those who do pay the most possible. Just as you must provide the best products in the world to survive you also must provide the best jobs.

You were perfectly brainwashed but now you know better.

Do they have unions in China? Any wonder we get sweat shop prices from them? Want to pretend it wouldn't be that way here too, if you had your way?