Cuba -- the times they are a-changin'

[Slyhunter]

The embargo hurt the people more than the government. Opening up trade with Castro is a means of advertising the benefits of capitalism and will do more in directing them towards a capitalist country then the embargo's do.

 

[TNHarley]

With all due respect WTF were you doi g vacatio ing in a Communist country? There is NO appropriate reason for an American citizen to be in a Communist nation unless they're carrying a rifle for the US Military.

Cuba is a Communust nation. We should not have ANYTHING to do with them until they overthrow the Communist Government.

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

China wasn't communist either. Jeeez

China is a communist nation.

Just saying they aren't doesn't make it true.

Please tell me when they started having open and free elections to elect their leader?

ok you don't know what communism. No biggie. You and 80% of the population don't. For once, you are normal.

Please explain to all the ignorant USMB posters about the Red Menace

Their govt used to control everything. Including price and wage fixing. Please tell me how that is in any way communism considering that is the elimination of private property, money and the state.

 

[Dana7360]

According to your posts, you should be shot for buying goods from China.

You're no better than anyone else in America. You financially support communists in China yet when a small island with some communists is opened up to America, you call for the overthrow of their government and say that Americans should only be there to wage war and invade them.

Do you see how ridiculous you are?

Why aren't you demanding that no one go to China? Why aren't you demanding that all imports from China stop and why do you buy those imports? Why aren't you demanding the overthrow of the government in China?

You really have a lot of nerve demanding to tell everyone else how to live their lives. So much for freedom.

You're nothing but a communist and you should leave America to join your communist buddies in China.

If getting shot personally would stop all US trade to Communist and Socialist nations, I'd do it in an instant. I dont believe any American should be traveling anyehere oitside the US, but at this,point thst is still legal to do.

I go out of my way to buy American products as much as possible, often going without or paying more for inferior products to do so. Unfortunately that's not always an option. I wish it was.

So now you want your big government nanny to tell people where they can and can't go.

You want to take freedom from Americans and tell them they can't travel outside our nation.

What about those who do business in other nations? What about politicians who are negotiating agreements with other nations. What about politicians who are trying to get other nations to join the fight against isis?

You want them to not be able to do their jobs?

Just who do you think you are?

You whine about communists then turn around and behave as a communist. Communists don't allow their citizens to leave their nation.

Last, just because you try to buy less good made in China doesn't mean you don't buy any. And just because you try to buy less goods from China doesn't mean you can exempt yourself from your own words.

You're a communist hypocrite.

 

[TNHarley]

According to your posts, you should be shot for buying goods from China.

You're no better than anyone else in America. You financially support communists in China yet when a small island with some communists is opened up to America, you call for the overthrow of their government and say that Americans should only be there to wage war and invade them.

Do you see how ridiculous you are?

Why aren't you demanding that no one go to China? Why aren't you demanding that all imports from China stop and why do you buy those imports? Why aren't you demanding the overthrow of the government in China?

You really have a lot of nerve demanding to tell everyone else how to live their lives. So much for freedom.

You're nothing but a communist and you should leave America to join your communist buddies in China.

If getting shot personally would stop all US trade to Communist and Socialist nations, I'd do it in an instant. I dont believe any American should be traveling anyehere oitside the US, but at this,point thst is still legal to do.

I go out of my way to buy American products as much as possible, often going without or paying more for inferior products to do so. Unfortunately that's not always an option. I wish it was.

So now you want your big government nanny to tell people where they can and can't go.

You want to take freedom from Americans and tell them they can't travel outside our nation.

What about those who do business in other nations? What about politicians who are negotiating agreements with other nations. What about politicians who are trying to get other nations to join the fight against isis?

You want them to not be able to do their jobs?

Just who do you think you are?

You whine about communists then turn around and behave as a communist. Communists don't allow their citizens to leave their nation.

Last, just because you try to buy less good made in China doesn't mean you don't buy any. And just because you try to buy less goods from China doesn't mean you can exempt yourself from your own words.

You're a communist hypocrite.

Real communists wouldn't have a nation, dummy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[dannyboys]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

 

[TNHarley]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

corrupt SOCIALISTS.

 

[TNHarley]

I get so tired of the misuse of the term | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Dana7360]

According to your posts, you should be shot for buying goods from China.

You're no better than anyone else in America. You financially support communists in China yet when a small island with some communists is opened up to America, you call for the overthrow of their government and say that Americans should only be there to wage war and invade them.

Do you see how ridiculous you are?

Why aren't you demanding that no one go to China? Why aren't you demanding that all imports from China stop and why do you buy those imports? Why aren't you demanding the overthrow of the government in China?

You really have a lot of nerve demanding to tell everyone else how to live their lives. So much for freedom.

You're nothing but a communist and you should leave America to join your communist buddies in China.

If getting shot personally would stop all US trade to Communist and Socialist nations, I'd do it in an instant. I dont believe any American should be traveling anyehere oitside the US, but at this,point thst is still legal to do.

I go out of my way to buy American products as much as possible, often going without or paying more for inferior products to do so. Unfortunately that's not always an option. I wish it was.

So now you want your big government nanny to tell people where they can and can't go.

You want to take freedom from Americans and tell them they can't travel outside our nation.

What about those who do business in other nations? What about politicians who are negotiating agreements with other nations. What about politicians who are trying to get other nations to join the fight against isis?

You want them to not be able to do their jobs?

Just who do you think you are?

You whine about communists then turn around and behave as a communist. Communists don't allow their citizens to leave their nation.

Last, just because you try to buy less good made in China doesn't mean you don't buy any. And just because you try to buy less goods from China doesn't mean you can exempt yourself from your own words.

You're a communist hypocrite.

Real communists wouldn't have a nation, dummy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

What in the world are you talking about?

You're saying that Chinese people don't have a nation?

You're saying that North Korean people don't have a nation?

You're saying that Cuban people don't have a nation?

You make no sense but that's nothing new.

The reality is you have no idea of what you're talking about.

 

[TNHarley]

According to your posts, you should be shot for buying goods from China.

You're no better than anyone else in America. You financially support communists in China yet when a small island with some communists is opened up to America, you call for the overthrow of their government and say that Americans should only be there to wage war and invade them.

Do you see how ridiculous you are?

Why aren't you demanding that no one go to China? Why aren't you demanding that all imports from China stop and why do you buy those imports? Why aren't you demanding the overthrow of the government in China?

You really have a lot of nerve demanding to tell everyone else how to live their lives. So much for freedom.

You're nothing but a communist and you should leave America to join your communist buddies in China.

If getting shot personally would stop all US trade to Communist and Socialist nations, I'd do it in an instant. I dont believe any American should be traveling anyehere oitside the US, but at this,point thst is still legal to do.

I go out of my way to buy American products as much as possible, often going without or paying more for inferior products to do so. Unfortunately that's not always an option. I wish it was.

So now you want your big government nanny to tell people where they can and can't go.

You want to take freedom from Americans and tell them they can't travel outside our nation.

What about those who do business in other nations? What about politicians who are negotiating agreements with other nations. What about politicians who are trying to get other nations to join the fight against isis?

You want them to not be able to do their jobs?

Just who do you think you are?

You whine about communists then turn around and behave as a communist. Communists don't allow their citizens to leave their nation.

Last, just because you try to buy less good made in China doesn't mean you don't buy any. And just because you try to buy less goods from China doesn't mean you can exempt yourself from your own words.

You're a communist hypocrite.

Real communists wouldn't have a nation, dummy. You have no idea what you are talking about.

What in the world are you talking about?

You're saying that Chinese people don't have a nation?

You're saying that North Korean people don't have a nation?

You're saying that Cuban people don't have a nation?

You make no sense but that's nothing new.

The reality is you have no idea of what you're talking about.

No, im saying they are not communists, dumbfuck. Try reading my responses to you.
Communists want to rid the planet of nations, private property, money and government.
You are confusing socialist dictators with communists.
Try thinking
You cant just go around raping terms. Funny thing is, THAT is Marxism 101

 

[Anathema]

So now you want your big government nanny to tell people where they can and can't go.

You want to take freedom from Americans and tell them they can't travel outside our nation.

What about those who do business in other nations? What about politicians who are negotiating agreements with other nations. What about politicians who are trying to get other nations to join the fight against isis?

You want them to not be able to do their jobs?

I'm a Nationalist, an Isolationist and an Authoritarian. I don't believe that 99% of people dezerve Freedom. They're too stupid to make the proper decisions when left to their iwn devices.

People can leave any time they want. They jyst wouldn't be allowed to come back or take anythibg with them. There should be no international business in the US.

 

[charwin95]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

I know lots of Cubans here in Florida and they believe time will come they will kick communism in Cuba. Communist govt. is always corrupted in a massive scale. Putin is worth 40 billions as an example.

 

[charwin95]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

corrupt SOCIALISTS.

You didn't like that eh! Did someone just hurt your feelings?

 

[longknife]

THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT CUBA - NOT CHINA

 

[longknife]

Fidel and Raul don't have too many years left. But, they've created a privileged class that will hold onto their power at all costs.

Opening up Cuba the way Obozo has does not, in any way, do anything to help the average Cuban living far below poverty levels.

 

[TNHarley]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

corrupt SOCIALISTS.

You didn't like that eh! Did someone just hurt your feelings?

Ignorance can be frustrating. Especially willful

 

[charwin95]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

corrupt SOCIALISTS.

You didn't like that eh! Did someone just hurt your feelings?

Ignorance can be frustrating. Especially willful

Why are you mad AGAIN? I just reinforced Dannyboys post because I know you are die hard Putin communist supporter. I fully understand your ignorance.

 

[TNHarley]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

corrupt SOCIALISTS.

You didn't like that eh! Did someone just hurt your feelings?

Ignorance can be frustrating. Especially willful

Why are you mad AGAIN? I just reinforced Dannyboys post because I know you are die hard Putin communist supporter. I fully understand your ignorance.

Lol What? You think Putin is a communist? You people are goddamn stupid.
Please explain why a communist would rig elections and love war?

 

[charwin95]

Fidel and Raul don't have too many years left. But, they've created a privileged class that will hold onto their power at all costs.

Opening up Cuba the way Obozo has does not, in any way, do anything to help the average Cuban living far below poverty levels.

Cubans are sick with Castro. Times are changing.
However Obama just opened the door and Americans has not done any investment yet....... But you already came up with your own predictions.
What made you think this will not help average people in Cuba? How did you came out with this prediction?

 

[charwin95]

I travelled to Cuba a few year ago with a group of local farmers who wanted to observe how farming/agriculture is done there.
There were about twenty of us. We traveled around the country in a bus and visited two farms a day for about 9 days.
My takeaway was/is every farm we visited was supposedly being operated by the locals like sort of a communal farm. Those few who would speak candidly told us secretly that the local officials were stealing pretty much any profits. They were seizing any new equipment that was intended for the farm before it got to the farm then selling it.
Someone told of an incident where some farm equipment had arrived from some S.American country by ship. The 'authorities' seized the equipment before it was offloaded. They then sold the equipment back to the company who sold the equipment. The ship sailed back to S. America with the cargo never being offloaded. The 'authorities' apparently run this sort of scam all the time.
Until the Cubans themselves kick the corrupt communists out of power nothing good will happen. The Cuban 'authorities are salivating at the notion the US will start sending manufactured goods to Cuba. They all be millionaires in a couple of years. And the poor will remain poor.
Sort of like the millionaires in Communist Russia.

corrupt SOCIALISTS.

You didn't like that eh! Did someone just hurt your feelings?

Ignorance can be frustrating. Especially willful

Why are you mad AGAIN? I just reinforced Dannyboys post because I know you are die hard Putin communist supporter. I fully understand your ignorance.

Lol What? You think Putin is a communist? You people are goddamn stupid.
Please explain why a communist would rig elections and love war?

My error Russia is not communist. I got carried away with Dannyboys post.
However if you care to explain why Putin is worth 40 billions?

 

[longknife]

Fidel and Raul don't have too many years left. But, they've created a privileged class that will hold onto their power at all costs.

Opening up Cuba the way Obozo has does not, in any way, do anything to help the average Cuban living far below poverty levels.

Cubans are sick with Castro. Times are changing.
However Obama just opened the door and Americans has not done any investment yet....... But you already came up with your own predictions.
What made you think this will not help average people in Cuba? How did you came out with this prediction?

Any American investments in Cuba will be directly related to the amount of mordida given to government officials. And, once those investments are made, the Cuban people will have to pay those same officials for any chance to invest or work.

And then, those who do get the jobs will face increased prices that benefit the same government officials.

They may be sick of Castro but the Establishment is firmly entrenched with a strong military backing it