Cuba -- the times they are a-changin'

[TheCrusader]

Obama surrendered to the Castro's. He is rewarding them with US dollars for their bringing the world to the brink and for destabilizing the region.
The Cuban people will continue to be oppressed while the Castro regime gets richer thanks to the surrenderer-in-chief.

Wow you're just mind-boggling stupid.

How's that embargo worked out for you? You know, the embargo you have on intelligence, you importing any books lately?

 

[Anathema]

Cuba has never been communist.

Communist = Socialist = Democrat. They're the aame thing for all practical purposes.

 

[TheCrusader]

Cuba has never been communist.

Communist = Socialist = Democrat. They're the aame thing for all practical purposes.

Sure, please explain with examples how they are the same thing?

 

[Anathema]

Sure, please explain with examples how they are the same thing?

I can explain it in one simple example...... They're all political philosophies that all the Government to steal money from me to provide for lowlife scum who don't deserve oxygen, nevermind food, money, shelter, etc....

 

[Dana7360]

With all due respect WTF were you doi g vacatio ing in a Communist country? There is NO appropriate reason for an American citizen to be in a Communist nation unless they're carrying a rifle for the US Military.

Cuba is a Communust nation. We should not have ANYTHING to do with them until they overthrow the Communist Government.

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

 

[Anathema]

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

Which he should have been SHOT for doing.

 

[TNHarley]

Cuba has never been communist.

Communist = Socialist = Democrat. They're the aame thing for all practical purposes.

Not even in simple terms.
Search the term misuse in the search bar and click on my thread. This belong there. Thanks!

 

[TNHarley]

With all due respect WTF were you doi g vacatio ing in a Communist country? There is NO appropriate reason for an American citizen to be in a Communist nation unless they're carrying a rifle for the US Military.

Cuba is a Communust nation. We should not have ANYTHING to do with them until they overthrow the Communist Government.

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

China wasn't communist either. Jeeez

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Obama surrendered to the Castro's. He is rewarding them with US dollars for their bringing the world to the brink and for destabilizing the region.
The Cuban people will continue to be oppressed while the Castro regime gets richer thanks to the surrenderer-in-chief.

The Castro brothers are 84 and 89yo. Obama will no longer the president in less than year. Times are changing.
Plan to sail from Key Biscayne to Cuba this summer.

Well then why the obama rush to reward them? Don't expect any real change from the Cuban angle.
Obama is a jerk. Anti-American hack president.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Obama surrendered to the Castro's. He is rewarding them with US dollars for their bringing the world to the brink and for destabilizing the region.
The Cuban people will continue to be oppressed while the Castro regime gets richer thanks to the surrenderer-in-chief.

Wow you're just mind-boggling stupid.

How's that embargo worked out for you? You know, the embargo you have on intelligence, you importing any books lately?

You're a moron.
Why don't you just donate your own money to murderous thugs. Keep me and my country out of it.

 

[longknife]

Here's some commentary on Cuba for today:

Cuba’s Reality: Why I’m not as excited to go to Cuba like everyone else @ Cuba’s Reality: Why I’m not as excited to go to Cuba like everyone else | Babalú Blog pointing out that people fleeing Cuba has risen 80% since Obama's “opening up”

Reports from Cuba: One year after December 17, 2014 @ Reports from Cuba: One year after December 17, 2014 | Babalú Blog

What is really important in Cuba @ What is really important in Cuba | Babalú Blog

 

[Moonglow]

it's like a disease,,,no..?

 

[Dana7360]

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

Which he should have been SHOT for doing.

According to your posts, you should be shot for buying goods from China.

You're no better than anyone else in America. You financially support communists in China yet when a small island with some communists is opened up to America, you call for the overthrow of their government and say that Americans should only be there to wage war and invade them.

Do you see how ridiculous you are?

Why aren't you demanding that no one go to China? Why aren't you demanding that all imports from China stop and why do you buy those imports? Why aren't you demanding the overthrow of the government in China?

You really have a lot of nerve demanding to tell everyone else how to live their lives. So much for freedom.

You're nothing but a communist and you should leave America to join your communist buddies in China.

 

[Dana7360]

With all due respect WTF were you doi g vacatio ing in a Communist country? There is NO appropriate reason for an American citizen to be in a Communist nation unless they're carrying a rifle for the US Military.

Cuba is a Communust nation. We should not have ANYTHING to do with them until they overthrow the Communist Government.

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

China wasn't communist either. Jeeez

China is a communist nation.

Just saying they aren't doesn't make it true.

Please tell me when they started having open and free elections to elect their leader?

 

[Anathema]

According to your posts, you should be shot for buying goods from China.

You're no better than anyone else in America. You financially support communists in China yet when a small island with some communists is opened up to America, you call for the overthrow of their government and say that Americans should only be there to wage war and invade them.

Do you see how ridiculous you are?

Why aren't you demanding that no one go to China? Why aren't you demanding that all imports from China stop and why do you buy those imports? Why aren't you demanding the overthrow of the government in China?

You really have a lot of nerve demanding to tell everyone else how to live their lives. So much for freedom.

You're nothing but a communist and you should leave America to join your communist buddies in China.

If getting shot personally would stop all US trade to Communist and Socialist nations, I'd do it in an instant. I dont believe any American should be traveling anyehere oitside the US, but at this,point thst is still legal to do.

I go out of my way to buy American products as much as possible, often going without or paying more for inferior products to do so. Unfortunately that's not always an option. I wish it was.

 

[charwin95]

Obama surrendered to the Castro's. He is rewarding them with US dollars for their bringing the world to the brink and for destabilizing the region.
The Cuban people will continue to be oppressed while the Castro regime gets richer thanks to the surrenderer-in-chief.

The Castro brothers are 84 and 89yo. Obama will no longer the president in less than year. Times are changing.
Plan to sail from Key Biscayne to Cuba this summer.

Well then why the obama rush to reward them? Don't expect any real change from the Cuban angle.
Obama is a jerk. Anti-American hack president.

I'm not expecting anything but just want to visit other country that was forbidden. From what I heard there are lots of business opportunities for Americans but I'm not interested.

 

[charwin95]

With all due respect WTF were you doi g vacatio ing in a Communist country? There is NO appropriate reason for an American citizen to be in a Communist nation unless they're carrying a rifle for the US Military.

Cuba is a Communust nation. We should not have ANYTHING to do with them until they overthrow the Communist Government.

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

China wasn't communist either. Jeeez

I have business in China. China still a communist country. They just get rid the bad part of communistic ideology and keep the good part...... then modernized it.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm no fan of President Obama, but his recognition of the Castro dictatorship in Cuba was the best foreign policy move he has made. If Congress will only vote to drop that stupid embargo, things will begin to change fast in Cuba.

I had a three-week vacation there in November, traveling around the island by bus and staying in private homes. I talked to as many people as I could (not many, with my very limited tourist Spanish, but some people speak English). It was a small, non-random sample I talked to, but I've been doing a lot of reading about Cuba since then, and I think it's pretty clear that not only doesn't the economic system not work, everyone knows it doesn't work. The atmosphere reminded me of the Soviet Union in the late 80s.

Of course, in a police state it's hard to know what people really think, unless they know you well enough to trust you. But I would say the attitude of the people I talked to, towards the Communist government, was more one of exasperation, and perhaps resignation, rather than burning anger.

But I doubt very much that the government will carry on as it has been. The end of the embargo will bring a definite economic boost, but it's not like socialism-plus-trade-with-a-big-country will work, but plain old socialism won't. Socialism doesn't work, period. (Anyway, Cuba has had a lot of trade with the rest of the world.)

Anyway, I believe change will come in Cuba. The American embargo, if it's lifted, will no longer be a fit-all excuse for the regime's economic failures. And intelligent Cubans, including regime economists, know what's wrong: no market. So if there is no soap to buy in Santiago, no one is allowed to make and sell some, or import some, or bring some from where it's in surplus. You go to jail if you try to do things like that.

And here's were our friends on the Left ought to get involved: if the debate really opens up in Cuba about the future of the economy, the question naturally arises: what should be done with all the factories, etc that the government owns? Sell them to the highest bidder? Assign them as private property to regime cronies (the Russian solution)? Turn them over to their workers to run as a co operative?

People who don't like capitalism have a chance to propose their alternatives.

How to do this? Easy -- via the internet. At the moment, Cubans have limited access to it, because there are few hotspots and the cost of the satellite link is high (a week's wages for an hour's access). But more and more Cubans are getting access -- a couple of reports from Al Jazeer give details, here and here .

More importantly, there is a remarkable on-line 'newspaper', available in English and Spanish, The Havana Times, which is written by Cubans living in Cuba (although articles are commented on by people from everywhere). It's amazing, what they get away with printing.

I would urge Americans to go there before everything changes forever. You're allowed to now, and if you stay in private homes (the 'casas particulares'), eat where the locals do, travel by bus, you can have a great holiday for less than $50 a day. People are generally friendly and helpful, the violent crime rate is very low, and it's a really interesting place. I didn't encounter any anti-Americanism -- in fact, many taxis and buses were flying little American flags!

Go see it for yourself!

Agree....the embargo should have ended thirty years ago. We recognize and trade with Vietnam but not Cuba?

I think change will come and come fast. They will adopt socialist economies like China or Vietnam as well as open up tourism to Americans

 

[TNHarley]

With all due respect WTF were you doi g vacatio ing in a Communist country? There is NO appropriate reason for an American citizen to be in a Communist nation unless they're carrying a rifle for the US Military.

Cuba is a Communust nation. We should not have ANYTHING to do with them until they overthrow the Communist Government.

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

China wasn't communist either. Jeeez

China is a communist nation.

Just saying they aren't doesn't make it true.

Please tell me when they started having open and free elections to elect their leader?

ok you don't know what communism. No biggie. You and 80% of the population don't. For once, you are normal.

 

[rightwinger]

With all due respect WTF were you doi g vacatio ing in a Communist country? There is NO appropriate reason for an American citizen to be in a Communist nation unless they're carrying a rifle for the US Military.

Cuba is a Communust nation. We should not have ANYTHING to do with them until they overthrow the Communist Government.

China is a communist nation.

Opened up to America by republican president richard nixon.

China wasn't communist either. Jeeez

China is a communist nation.

Just saying they aren't doesn't make it true.

Please tell me when they started having open and free elections to elect their leader?

ok you don't know what communism. No biggie. You and 80% of the population don't. For once, you are normal.

Please explain to all the ignorant USMB posters about the Red Menace