Leo123
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Tell your doctor that if YOU get the virus and are on your death bed. I don't surf porn like you do.
Current COVID-19 Mortality Rate: 1.35%
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eagle1462010
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Also Italy's way of counting deaths skews their results along with the fact that there are a lot of older folks there.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.www.cdc.gov
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPoliticswww.realclearpolitics.com
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
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In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.theintercept.com
And their first local case on 2-22
Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.globalnews.ca
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.www.abc.net.au
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.www.aljazeera.com
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
Thankfully, there are no "older folks" in Florida huh?
Coronavirus: Florida COVID-19 cases top 1,200
As of Monday, only about 20 of Florida’s 67 counties were untouched by COVID-19 infections, the latest Florida Department of Health numbers show, however, as the number of large-scale testing sites continue to open across the state that is expected to change this week.www.clickorlando.com
YaY! Governor TrumpyBoy failed to close beaches and call off Spring Break!
A little TROLL MUSIC.
toomuchtime_
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South Korea may have reached the peak of their curve and if they have, it may be in part because of testing, but even if it is, that's only one country that has done better than the US and I believe you had claimed many have. Which other countries were you referring to?The fastest in the world from what I have read, yet their mortality rate is very similar to ours. Now SK like everyone else is experiencing shortages in masks and other gear and is trying to import it like everyone else.South Korea scaled up testing far, far quicker than us.That's simply not true. The EU countries are struggling to catch up with us and aside from China which is an authoritarian state no developed countries of any size have done as well as us.It takes months to develop a good test and then it gets modified several times...we started the seasonal flu test a year ago....the corona test needed time to configure...and produce....I say we did a hell of a job if you ask me....and they are still wrongThe same metrics are used to determine the mortality for all diseases, idiot. You are just parroting desperate talking points from the same propagandists who told you this virus was a hoax.Nope.No not really.Total cases and positive test results are the same thing. The term, positive test result, means the CDC has confirmed the individual has the virus. Until the CDC does this, the term, presumed positive test result, is used. In any case, a mortality rate of 1.35% is very good compared to other developed nations of any size.And it's just a guess.That's the morality rate among confirmed cases and at this point that's be best estimate we have of how dangerous the virus is.you don't actually know the number of total cases all you know is the number of positive test results.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
And you'll notice in the OP he said TOTAL cases not total positive test results
total cases include people who had the virus, recovered and never got tested
yes.
Would you say the total number of people in the US are only the number of registered voters, or only the number of people over 30 years old?
No you wouldn't
well maybe you would
Sorry, but I trust the science more than a dipshit on a forum.
There has to be a common metric. Not some imaginary bullshit.
The common metric says the flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%, and right now the mortality rate for COVID-19 in the US is thirteen and a half times higher.
Period.
So just ignore the fact that every single person who walks into any DR's office can get a rapid flu test but only some people meet the threshold for a corona test for which they have to drive to some testing center with a prescription to get tested.
This is remedial analytical thinking. When nearly 100% of people with even the mildest symptoms of the flu are tested and a smaller percentage of people with only the most severe corona symptoms are getting tested the mortality rates calculated for the latter will be less accurate in direct proportion to the difference in percentage of the number of tests performed.
We could have done a lot better. Other countries managed to scale up much quicker than us.
But their case load has tapered and diminished. They’ve been more successful in containment than we have. In no small part, I’d wager, to extensive testing. Containment is more effective when you know who has it.
toomuchtime_
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I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
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- The mortality rate is being misquoted. It’s not 1.35% of the population that dies nor 1.35% of the tested nor 1.35of the infecteds. It’s 1.35% of the hospitalized and/or cases diagnosed as “severe or critical”
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toomuchtime_
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The mortality rate being used is the percent of confirmed cases of infection that die. Presently, it is 1.41% in the US.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
eagle1462010
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Experts say risk of coronavirus spread through ventilation systems in NYC apartment buildings is very low
Amenity spaces with HVACs are closing.
Most New York buildings are steam-heated via radiators so air is not being recirculated throughout a building. Even in amenity spaces that do have central HVAC systems, there are filters to remove contaminants. Now that amenity spaces are largely closed and New Yorkers are being asked to stay in their apartments, few people should be congregating in common areas that remain open.
Guidance from NYC
The city says no special ventilation precautions are recommended for residential or commercial buildings. City guidance states, “the spread of coronaviruses from person-to-person over long distances, such as through HVAC systems, has not been shown.” The advice is to check working windows and the supply and exhaust vent systems to make sure they are working properly. As the weather warms, the CDC's recommendation to "increase ventilation by opening windows" should become easier for New Yorkers as part of suggested good hygiene practices.
Princess Cruises says the HVAC system of the Diamond Princess was not responsible for the recent spread of infection to passengers onboard. Nearly 700 passengers developed Covid-19 on the ship, which was quarantined in Japan in February. On its website, the company cites a letter from Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, which says, "there is no current evidence to suggest that the virus spreads through air-handling systems."
SARs was spread from the windows in Hong Kong as studies show.....
Only Lab grade filters can stop coronavirus as I've already shown.........
I think I'm glad I live in the country.
Leo123
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Yes within statistical error of flatlining for the past week or so.The mortality rate being used is the percent of confirmed cases of infection that die. Presently, it is 1.41% in the US.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
OldLady
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Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
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The OP is about Covid death rate. I am merely pointing out that more people die in car accidents. Perspective Lucy, something I thought you could use.Oh I see, so you're OK writing off vehicle deaths. Good to know.You are correct, cars have to be STOPPED. After all, cars are the biggest killer of all.Since we're pretty much refusing to test anyone unless they're so seriously ill that they need immediate medical care, those numbers are skewed. We should wait on all these numbers. We haven't done enough testing to have a clue.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
I have had to post OL this because so many in America are not taking this COVID-19 seriously and it is NOTHING like just having the flu. This is possibly my longest ever post and I think it is the most important post I will ever have posted.
First last week I was tested for COVID-19 and the result was Negative. This is great of course, but because of my Government job I am having to visit certain areas that now require me to wear a full Hazmat suit and these things are a BASTARD, they are so hot it's incredible, or I don't know maybe it's just me that get's very warm wearing them.
I post this as someone who for three weeks has had their ENTIRE LIFE turned upside down after my existing Government position, my own Ministry was told to coordinate with the Ministry of Health into a Government COVID-19 Task Force locking EVERYTHING DOWN to protect the population (more on what we have been doing below after the two links, but I am not able to go into specifics as it would violate Government Protocol.)
At your current rate America will pass China for most COVID-19 Total Cases in approx 7 days, you are as right now 19,000 Total Cases behind them you have 7.460 New Cases today and China has 47 New Cases today.
I think this time next week either America or Italy will be in first place and China down to third place after them being number one place since the beginning.
The Italy Total Cases they are 7.000 behind China as of now with 5.210 New Cases today.
The Top Three of COVID-19 now are:
China Total Cases 81.218 New Cases 47
Italy Total Cases 74.386 New Cases 5.210
USA Total Cases 62.316 New Cases 7.460
Stay safe the SHTF in America VERY soon with COVID-19 and remember THIS today in Britain they say goodbye to a girl age 21 years in age with NO existing medical problems she died of COVID-19. This is NOT just a virus that infects those aged 70 and over, this is a virus that is infecting ALL age groups. This is NOT just a virus that infects those with pre-existing conditions.
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Chloe Middleton: Woman, 21, died with 'no underlying health issues'
The family of Chloe Middleton say they are "shattered beyond belief".www.bbc.com
This is NOT hyperbole, this is NOT a HOAX, this is REAL and it's about do you want to live or do you want to die, it's about do you want to stay safe or do you want to think you are immortal. You are NOT being asked to do a great deal, you are just being asked to for approx 21 days to 30 days to REDUCE to the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM your social interactions. It is NOT that difficult to do. You are being asked to do this for approx 21 days to 30 days so that YOUR nations health system can get a grip, so that THEY can NOT go BEHIND the curve but attempt to get AHEAD of the curve. If you get behind the curve you lose control, if you get ahead of the curve you can hope to flatten the curve.
To reduce the risk of getting COVID-19 or of spreading COVID-19 (you CAN have it, many are showing no symptoms UNTIL they have been tested, this is WHY the majority of New Cases in EVERY nation is getting higher every day because more testing is now occuring and this is how the infected are being found etc)
So to reduce the risks to YOU and to OTHERS in your community you must do the following for approx 21-30 days:
Stay INDOORS. ONLY go out to buy food or medicines. Wear protective gloves to go out, keep them on INSIDE stores etc. Wearing a MASK over your mouth and nose will NOT prevent you from getting COVID-19. Do NOT stand nearer than EIGHT FEET to another person. Make sure you are NOT near anyone displaying symptoms of coughing OR sweating on the forehead, IF ANYONE in the store is displaying these symptoms then ALERT store staff and ask that the person is asked to LEAVE the store. OUTDOORS in stores do NOT touch your face, this NOT to touch your nose, ears or eyes. WASH YOUR HANDS WITH SOAP AND SCRUB UNDER YOUR NAILS WITH A NAILBRUSH AS SOON AS YOU GET HOME and THROW AWAY the protective gloves, use a fresh pair of protective gloves next time you go out. ISOLATE from elderly family members, keep in touch with them via phone, email etc DO NOT GO AND PHYSICALLY VISIT THEM.
I post this as someone who for three weeks has been working in a Government COVID-19 Task Force locking EVERYTHING DOWN to protect the population. I have been in PMs for these three weeks basically updating some peoples at this forum privately about the IMMENSE STRUGGLE we are having CONTAINING this monster, I have been pre-warning these Americans NOT to laugh this off as some minor thing but to take seriously this the pre-warning. To those who THINK this is no worse than flu, you do not know what you are talking about. The other day we were shown some XRays of COVID-19 patients lungs and it was HORRIFIC, this was a cross section of age groups from 25-35, 45-55, 55-65 NOBODY was even over 70 years in age, the lungs are FULL of fluid.
COVID-19 the first few days you get flu like symptoms of fever and dry cough OR you might NOT have ANY symptoms and within 2 days this bastard goes from that intoi double pneumonia.
So the IDIOTS in nations who are going to parks, beaches, bars, meeting with groups of friends etc they could have NO symptoms but as they are NOT tested they COULD have COVID-19 and then by their behaviour are spreading it..
The situation in Italy, think of this, the situation in Italy now began with two Chinese tourists who had COVID-19. And look at what has resulted in Italy with just TWO PEOPLES who initially were infected.
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I feel it is my duty as a human being to make this above post. I have been pre-warning Americans about this MONSTER and I feel too many Americans are still not taking this bastard seriously. I make the above post as a human being for other human beings, there is NO POLITICS involved, I do not care if you are Left or Right or Independent or Green or No Politics, we are ALL MORTAL, NOBODY is invincible, we ALL turn to dust. Life is NOT a game, you only get one life, you should value it and when a MONSTER is on the loose like COVID-19 when we have NO CURE then you NEED to pay attention to this and not play games with YOUR life or ANYONE else's life.
Stay Safe. We will win.
What a stupid response. Go away.
Stop Trolling. You are Off Topic in relation to the OP thread topic.
I do have perspective, I'm working in our Government COVID-19 Task Force, I'm dealing with this ALL day EVERY day. It's become almost obsessive, it is VERY stressful.
Right now I need to go to bed it's 10.35PM and I have been up since 4AM. In my office since 5AM working on COVID-19 things, I'll be happy when this is all over and I can return to some type of normal and not be consumed by all of this.
What is your job?
I work in my nations Ministry of Interior, this is my second time working here, last year from May-November I worked as an Attache at our Embassy in Turkey during that time I did not post or log on to this forum, I'm also in our Military Reserve.
toomuchtime_
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I have no idea what you have been reading or who you consider an expert but no one at the CDC or WHO has made such a prediction. You say you are paying attention to what the experts say, but none of them have said that.Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
Leo123
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1.3 to 1.4 percent is not ‘piling up’ and ‘what if’ is not scientific.Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
WEATHER53
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6:45pm. Messed number up so redoingThe mortality rate being used is the percent of confirmed cases of infection that die. Presently, it is 1.41% in the US.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Ok. Other charts I have seen dealt with deaths from hospitalizations and/or severe to critical cases most of which were hospitalized
1.41% of positives is not adding a lot of clarity because we dont know how many tested total and how many of that total tested pisitive
I’m going to say that 1% of all Americans have been tested so 3.5 million. I’m going to offer for discussion sake that 10% have tested positive so 350,000. Out of that 20% are serious critical or hospitalized and 1.4% of that 70,000 so categorized die or aporoaching 1,000 and we are not quite to that yet .
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Imagine how much more awesome the USA would be if all young people were required to serve 2 years in the Navy.
Lucy Hamilton
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Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
America is now predicted to become the new epicentre for COVID-19. China was the first epicentre, then my Continent was the second epicentre and now it's America's turn you are now registering nearly twice as many New Cases as Italy is, you have nearly 10.000 New Cases already today nearly twice as many as Italy's New Cases.
This is your graph it is going up, you are behind the curve:
toomuchtime_
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The numbers will continue to change, but I think it's clear we are on the up side of the curve with no idea where the peak is. President Trump said he will see where we are at the end of the 15 day social distancing program before making a decision on what to do next. I'm sure they are considering lots of options, but I think if the numbers continue to rise sharply we should consider quarantining high risk people and allowing low risk people to go about their business until the virus plays out before an extended shut down of the whole nation.Ok. Other charts I have seen dealt with deaths from hospitalizations and/or severe to critical cases most of which were hospitalizedThe mortality rate being used is the percent of confirmed cases of infection that die. Presently, it is 1.41% in the US.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
1.41% of positives is not adding a lot of clarity because we dont know how many tested total and how many of that total tested pisitive
I’m going to say that 1% of all Americans have been tested so 3.5 million. I’m going to offer for discussion sake that 10% have tested positive so 350,000. Out of that 1.4% die or about 5,000 and we are actually not even close to 5k so I’m too high by a factor of 7x
Let me follow through though and correct that 7x at the end
350 million Americans, 35 million get it. 1.4% die or 500,000 but I can see my calculation are 7x too hight so 500k divides by 7 equals 70,000 total deaths. That’s a sobering number but not worth a devastating and full scale shutdown of America.!
Siete
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let me explain so a 1st grader gets it -
duck and a chicken
both have feathers
both can fly
both are birds
a duck can swim
a chicken cant swim
humans are immune to the flu - go to WALGREENS AND GET A SHOT TO INHANCE YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM
humans have no immunity to coronavirus - NONE
COVID-19 and the Flu can both spread from person-to-person through droplets in the air from an infected person sneezing or coughing, or even talking. Both can also be spread by an infected person before symptoms appear.
One difference is that novel 2019 coronavirus might be spread through airborne droplets that remain in the air after the infected person is no longer in the area.
get it FUZZNUTS
toomuchtime_
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And exactly who is predicting the US will be the new epicenter of the global crisis?Did you read Lucy's posts in this thread? I have read SO much today and in the past few days that I can't remember where I read it, but if our new cases keep piling up the way they have been going, we will soon surpass China and yes, Italy. That's what they're saying. It might not be mortality rates--they never mention in what way we're going to surpass China. Just that we will.I do listen to the experts, but clearly you don't since none of them have predicted the US experience will be the worst in the world as you insist.Dr. Love has clearly said the US experience will be as bad as Italy's, which is the worst in the world, without any basis in fact for that believe or hope, so I don't know why you would doubt he is wishing the worst for America for political reasons.Of course I don't wish us to surpass Italy in this pandemic. I doubt if Dr. Love does either, but you'll think what you want.I don't know which experts you are talking about, but what I have heard is that the crisis will get worse before it gets better but not that it will be the worst in the world, which is what Dr. Love is predicting. There is no rational basis for saying it will be like Italy's rather than like Germany's, which is much better, unless you are expressing a wish for the crisis to be that bad because you believe it will be bad for Trump, as Dr. Love clearly does.Dr. Love didn't make it up. It's what some experts are saying. I know we can't predict the future, but they've been pretty onpoint so far.All true and that's why President Trump's early decision to ban travel from places with high infection rates was so important in saving us from the horror show the EU is now experiencing. The EU still has not banned travel from places with high infection rates, and although some member states have, since they have open borders with other member states, infected people can land elsewhere in the EU and travel to Rome an kill Italians.In 2005, the latest statistic I could find, we have over 1 BILLION Tourists a year in the USAThis is just you hoping for the worst for America. We are not a month behind Italy. Italy is still behind us. Because the EU never closed its borders between member states, and because Italy is a prime tourist location, its population infected people continued to enter Italy even as the crisis grew to an unsupportable size. To make matters worse, Italy has a much older population than the US, so it mortality rate is naturally much higher.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
If you look at the statistics for EU countries, those with a high rate of tourism have a high rate of infection and those with a lower rate of tourism have a lower rate of infection. President Trump's early action to cut off travel from countries with high infection rates is the reason we have a so much lower mortality rate than most other developed countries of any size.
So our tourism from other nations is HUGE
Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia
In the U.S., tourism is among the three largest employers in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the U.S. in 2005.[citation needed] As of 2007, there are 2,462 registered National Historic Landmarks (NHL) recognized by the United States government. As of 2018, New York City is the most visited destination in the United States, followed by Los Angeles, Orlando, Las Vegas, and Chicago.
Tourists spend more money in the United States than any other country, while attracting the second-highest number of tourists after France and Spain.[2][3] The discrepancy may be explained by longer stays in the US.[3]
Whether you are making this shit up yourself or listening to other people who are making it up, there is no basis in fact for believing the US will experience what italy is experiencing. No other nation on Earth is experiencing what Italy is experiencing, so why would you think the US will experience what is happening in Italy instead of what is happening in Germany, which is doing much better than Italy, unless you are expressing you hope for the US to go through all the same suffering and death Italy is going through because you think it will be bad for President Trump. You may technically be an American, but you are clearly no one's fellow American.You hope we will become Italy, but there is no basis in fact to support your hope for this.The Intercept?Italy diagnosed their first case they same day we did.Things are moving so fast, it's now up to 1.37% of confirmed cases, but to put things in perspective, it is among the lowest rates among developed countries of any size.Total deaths/Total cases = 1.35% mortality rate in the US.
This is from the CDC site TODAY:
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics
Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics
Hopefully you realize how many people are in ICU's who will ultimately die and that we're a month behind Italy.
No, you don't ... Never mind
Okay, you go with that.
Italy's Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Whether the U.S. health care system buckles like Italy’s “really depends on how vigorously and promptly we do social distancing,” said a former CDC chief.
And their first local case on 2-22Italy confirms first 2 cases of coronavirus: prime minister - National | Globalnews.ca
Two Chinese tourists who were visiting Italy had contracted the virus, said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. Checks were being made to reconstruct the path of the two people to avoid further risks.
Italian man dies from coronavirus as number of confirmed cases jump in Italy
An elderly Italian man dies after being infected with coronavirus, becoming the first Italian victim of the disease.
We're going to become Italy. I'd say in 2-3 more weeks. They ARE way ahead of us. So is the rest of Europe.
Coronavirus live updates: 627 die in a single day in Italy
Largest daily jump in Italy’s death toll, as WHO warns the world’s youth they are not invincible against COVID-19.
Yes there is actually - I don't make this shit up, I listen to the doctors and scientists. We are on precisely the same trajectory.
And NO - suggesting that a fellow American hopes we become Italy is unAmerican and goofy.
I am always HOPING for the best. I just don't ignore the people who know a lot more about it than I do.
I also listen closely to the experts, and nothing they have said suggests the US experience will be anything like Italy's.
You aren't "watching experts" - Sounds more like Fox-n-Friends.
America is now predicted to become the new epicentre for COVID-19. China was the first epicentre, then my Continent was the second epicentre and now it's America's turn you are now registering nearly twice as many New Cases as Italy is, you have nearly 10.000 New Cases already today nearly twice as many as Italy's New Cases.
This is your graph it is going up, you are behind the curve:
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