D-Tlaib: ""There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust"

[PoliticalChic]

I'll say it again....verrrrrryyyy sloooooowly:


The Indians moved from Asia via what was then a land bridge.
They were settlers to this continent as were the Europeans.


Hence...not 'native.'

They destroyed resources, burned down forests to more easily see their prey....and then moved on to another venue.

Land was not a 'possession' to Indians.....until the Europeans brought capitalism, and taught them the value of the land.

They were three thousand years behind the Europeans in understanding.

Get it?

Whether land was a coveted concept, thought of as a possession or not is immaterial.

They lost vast territories as a consequence of losing wars to a technologically superior force.

My point is this: If tomorrow they had the means or military might to redress and recoup the lands they conceded in the wars lost (not lands which were sold) in the 19th century....they are morally justified to do so.

Same as the Jews in Palestine being justified to do what they did in 1948. The Nakba is a hoax.

OMG!!!!



How could they 'lose' what they never owned????????



On the other hand....you are perfectly correct about Jews and the Nakba.

The two situations are not comparable.....the Jews bought the land.

The Jews did not buy all of the lands they currently own- or what was to be apportioned to them as part of the British Mandate.

Just look at the map of the partition plan in 1947 and then compare it to the Israeli map at the point of then 1949 Armistice.

The Jews should’ve taken all of it- not because they bought it. But because as Jews they have the legitimate rights as indigenous peoples to the land of Israel. From the river to the sea.

Let's check:


One would expect to see commonplace examples of Jews stealing, strong-arming, swindling, blackmailing; basically resorting to any trick up their sleeve to pry land out of Arab hands. In reality, the Jewish technique of accumulating land was simple ... they bought it. Both the concern and the complaints of Jews dispossessing Arabs centered on how much land the Jews were purchasing, not stealing, from land owners:

• The British investigation into the Arab riots during 1936-39 identifies "Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land"1, not Jewish theft of land, as one of the motivating factors.

• "Conversely, the main Ottoman and Arab complaint against the Zionists was about land sales..."2

• "Meanwhile, Jewish land purchase continued apace, exacerbating Palestinian disquiet."3

• "Arab discontent on account of Jewish immigration and the sale of lands to Jews which has been a permanent feature of political opinion in Palestine for the past ten years, began to show signs of renewed activity from the beginning of 1933, developing in intensity until it reached a climax in the riots of October and November."4

• "In the beginning of the 1930s, the national value of the land and its transfer from one people to the other became one of the main issues in the political conflict between the two communities. The Arabs insisted that His Majesty's Government put an end to land purchase by the Jews, claiming that it threatened their national existence."5

• "Though they had profited from the enhanced trade and employment opportunities generated by the new Jewish settlements, Palestinian Arabs had grown increasingly concerned about the rise of Jewish immigration and land purchases."

6

• "An article published in July 1911 by Mustafa Effendi Tamr, a teacher of mathematics at a Jerusalem school" reads, "You are selling the property of your fathers and grandfathers for a pittance to people who will have no pity on you, to those who will act to expel you and expunge your memory from your habitations and disperse you among the nations. This is a crime that will be recorded in your names in history, a black stain and disgrace that your descendants will bear, which will not be expunged even after years and eras have gone by. ... Opposition to land sales was one of the principal focal points around which the Arab national idea in Palestine coalesced."

7

• "Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would or could pay."

32

• King Abdallah of Jordan complains several times in his memoirs about Jews acquiring land in Palestine. Not once does he accuse the Jews of stealing it from the Arabs. Each time he mentions it, the complaint is how much land they are buying:
  • "... the fears of the Arab political leaders are supported by the fact that the sale of land continues unrestricted and every day one piece of land after another is torn from the hands of the Arabs.

8

• "According to my information the Jews have requested the continuance of the mandate so that they can buy up more land and bring in additional immigrants. No other country has gone through such a trial as Palestine."

9

• "Or are you among those who believe that there is no harm in continuing the present deleterious mandate despite the Jewish usurpers it has brought and despite the demonstrated inability of those Palestinians now at the political helm to prevent their compatriots from selling their land? Furthermore, it is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."

10

• "‘Know each of you that in the end every Arab who sells land of the Arab patrimony or who pimps for the Jews will soon receive his due, which is certain death.’ The placards were signed by an organization calling itself ‘Revenge.’ ‘Our problem is the outcome of the sale of our land. The amazing thing is that we sell to the Jews and then scream and wail and ask for the government’s help,’"11

• "The land policy of the Zionist movement in the pre-state era was based on purchase of land on the open market by Jewish institutions (mainly the JNF) and subsequent freezing of the ownership so as to ensure that the purchased land would be in Jewish hands in perpetuity."33

Not only was the land being legally purchased, it was being purchased at drastically inflated prices. Arab land owners were making a killing selling their land during the waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the animosity against selling land to Jews coming from elitist Arabs, it simply made good economic sense for landlords to sell while they could exploit the thriving market Jewish demand was creating. Sometimes the land being purchased was nothing more than sand dune, malarial swamps and marshes, or other unattractive plots of waste. Even so, it was payday for many landlords; a day many hadn't seen in a long time and one that wouldn't come again:

• "Until 1936 ... the Jews acquired about 25,000 dunam in the Beit-Shean Valley ... The soil was of the poorest quality, in scattered parcels of land, and it was impossible to establish even one settlement on it. The Jewish purchasers paid the full price for these lands; in addition the Government compelled them to cover all the outstanding debts that the sellers had accumulated. (In most cases not one penny of these bad debts had been paid for years.)"12

• "The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."13

• "He [the Arab] may sell his land for a fantastic price and add to the congestion in the other zones by moving there. An Arab living a short distance away, just across the zone boundary, cannot obtain anything approximating the same sum for land of equal quality.”14

• "The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."15

• "The settlers were ready to pay much more than the economic value of the land. The same or better land is available a few kilometers to the east or north of the Palestine frontiers at one tenth or less of the Palestinian price."16

• “Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17

• “By 1925 over 2,600 Jews had settled in the [Jezreel] valley, and 3,000 acres of barren hillside had been afforested. This previously uncultivated land, bought at highly inflated prices, became the pattern of all subsequent Jewish National Fund settlements in Palestine.”18

• "In his 'note of reservations' to the Report of the Woodhead Commission, Sir Alison Russel says: 'It does not appear to me that to permit an Arab to sell his land for three or four times its value, and to go with the money to a different part of the Arab world where land is cheap, can be said to "prejudice" his rights and position.'"19

• "The average price paid by Jews for the rural land they bought in Palestine during 1944 amounted to over $1000 per acre or about $250 per dunam (including the value of buildings, orchards and other improvements). These prices are, of course, highly inflated …"20

• "... land brokers sometimes purchased their shares or parcels at a very low price and sold them at ten and twenty multiples to Jewish buyers. Peasants who were in musha' villages were particularly incensed at landlords, land brokers, or agents after learning that they had been swindled."21

• "Aharon Danin of KKL told of an interesting conversation he had at the beginning of the 1940s with Khaled Zu’bi (brother of Sayf al-Din), who helped him buy land in the Zu’biyya villages east of Nazareth: He [Zu’bi] said, ‘Look, who knows better than me that your work is pure. You pay money for everything, top dollar, many times more than what the land is worth. But that doesn’t change the fact that you are dispossessing us. You are dispossessing us with money, not by force, but the fact is that we are leaving the land.’ I say to him: ‘You are from this Zu’biyya tribe which is located here, in Transjordan, and in Syria, what difference does it make to you where you are, if you are here or if you and your family are there? …’ He said: ‘It’s hard for me to tell you, but in any case the graves of my forefathers are here. I feel that we are leaving this place. It’s our fault and not yours.’"30

Footnotes:
1 Great Britain, and William Robert Wellesley Peel Peel. Palestine Royal Commission Report. London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1937.
2 Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 - 1958 by D. K. Fieldhouse, Pg. 125
3 Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond by David McDowall, Pg. 23
4 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
5 "The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine" by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 199.
6 Oren, Michael. Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the PresentPg. 368
7 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 45
8 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 81. In a letter written to the High Commissioner for Transjordan, Sir Arthur Wauchope on July 25, 1934.
9 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 88. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
10 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pp. 88-89. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
11 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 219-220.
12 Avneri, Aryeh L. The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs 1878-1948. Efal, Israel: Yad Tabenkin, 1982. 168.
13 Hope Simpson Report, Pg. 51
14 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Chapter I
15 Bard, Mitchell G. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. 2006. 19.
16 Jewish Colonisataion and Arab Development in Palestine by David Horowitz, Central Zionist Archives, Record Group S90/File 76, 7 October 1945
17 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 3.
18 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 12.
19 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 101
20 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 112
21 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
22 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
23 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
24 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 197.
25 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 215.
26 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 14
27 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 83
28 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 225.
29 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 173.
30 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 200.


Middle East Piece - Jewish Land Purchase and Dispossession

You just completely disregarded what I stated regarding the 1948 war lol.

Everything you've said....err, linked.... is true.

It's also true that Israel acquired more land than what was apportioned to them (and rightfully so) during the first Arab-Israeli war.

Israeli soldiers displayed indefatigability of the highest order in the face of a multi-pronged Arab assault. Brilliant tactics, logistics command, military planning and navigation of the terrain despite having only arrived there in a matter of a few decades.

I am here to shout down the pro-Palestinian/Arab/Muslim propagandists who want to claim that all of that is somehow moral or sinful.

"... land than what was apportioned to them..."


The King of Jordan says they purchased it.



BTW....I've been to both Israel and Jordan. Same land....but what each has done with it is dramatic.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Enough of the pathetic defense of this anti-Semitic terrorist-supporting revisionist historian.

Tlaib attempted to sell a truckload of make-believe bullshit.

Not only was everything she said historically inaccurate, the claim that the Palestinians sacrificed in the name of attempting to create a safe haven for the Jews was a lie. Palestinian leaders actually sided with Hitler and had an historic hand in the attempted genocide of the Jews.

There is no defense of this. Even liberal news media CNN blasted Tlaib for her anti-Semitic revisionist history!

And despite this, after inviting an anti-Semitic Muslim to give an opening prayer, Pelosi - and Hoyer - demanded the President apologize to Tlaib.

After giving such an insane account of revisionist history, Tlaib should apologize to the entire world.

Once again, the Democrats have demonstrated to the world that they continue to embrace growing alarming anti-Semitism.

There should be a apology. The fact is that you and Trump are liars. You made a false accusation against her by taking her words out of context. To you anyone who questions the crooked Netanyahu is a anti-Semite. You have every right to disagree with Netanyahu.

Here's the party you support:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.




Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

And looking at the regressive in this thread defending that piece of filth just drives home that fact.

 

[busybee01]

Enough of the pathetic defense of this anti-Semitic terrorist-supporting revisionist historian.

Tlaib attempted to sell a truckload of make-believe bullshit.

Not only was everything she said historically inaccurate, the claim that the Palestinians sacrificed in the name of attempting to create a safe haven for the Jews was a lie. Palestinian leaders actually sided with Hitler and had an historic hand in the attempted genocide of the Jews.

There is no defense of this. Even liberal news media CNN blasted Tlaib for her anti-Semitic revisionist history!

And despite this, after inviting an anti-Semitic Muslim to give an opening prayer, Pelosi - and Hoyer - demanded the President apologize to Tlaib.

After giving such an insane account of revisionist history, Tlaib should apologize to the entire world.

Once again, the Democrats have demonstrated to the world that they continue to embrace growing alarming anti-Semitism.

There should be a apology. The fact is that you and Trump are liars. You made a false accusation against her by taking her words out of context. To you anyone who questions the crooked Netanyahu is a anti-Semite. You have every right to disagree with Netanyahu.

Here's the party you support:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.




Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

I don't support either party. However your post is garbage. Republicans have managed to alienate Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, better educated voters, and women to name a few groups they have alienated.

You have Republicans moving to the far right by criminalizing abortion and what is so sad is we have male legislators telling a woman what she can do with her body. Falwell shuts down anybody who is against Trump. There is no evidence any illegals have voted. Opposing Netanyahu is not anti-Semitism.

You are a garbage right wing Trump supporter and Americans are sick of Trump.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Enough of the pathetic defense of this anti-Semitic terrorist-supporting revisionist historian.

Tlaib attempted to sell a truckload of make-believe bullshit.

Not only was everything she said historically inaccurate, the claim that the Palestinians sacrificed in the name of attempting to create a safe haven for the Jews was a lie. Palestinian leaders actually sided with Hitler and had an historic hand in the attempted genocide of the Jews.

There is no defense of this. Even liberal news media CNN blasted Tlaib for her anti-Semitic revisionist history!

And despite this, after inviting an anti-Semitic Muslim to give an opening prayer, Pelosi - and Hoyer - demanded the President apologize to Tlaib.

After giving such an insane account of revisionist history, Tlaib should apologize to the entire world.

Once again, the Democrats have demonstrated to the world that they continue to embrace growing alarming anti-Semitism.

There should be a apology. The fact is that you and Trump are liars. You made a false accusation against her by taking her words out of context. To you anyone who questions the crooked Netanyahu is a anti-Semite. You have every right to disagree with Netanyahu.

Here's the party you support:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.




Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

And looking at the regressive in this thread defending that piece of filth just drives home that fact.

It is amazing.

I will be interested in the stats in the next election.




Of course....after Durham gets through, the Democrats may not have anyone to run....

 

[The Original Tree]

Rep. Rashida Tlaib: Palestinians Created "Safe Haven" For Jews After Holocaust, Israel Took Their "Dignity"

Once again lies and character assassinations, by Right Wingers. The Truth will set them free, free from winning elections, passing racists and misogynist legislation, and corrupting the Constitution to meet their needs.

Portraying them as the accommodating, aggrieved , party who courtesies were not reciprocated is absolute lunacy.

Have you walked in their shoes? The LIE is in the title to this thread, a lie by omission. That aside, maybe a little history may give the reader some perspective:

https://www.history.com/topics/middle-east/balfour-declaration

Oh; Balfour again. Yawn.

The Abrahamic Covenant.

You gonna Yawn at that?

Israel's very existence is proof there is a God.

I'm not yawning at that.

I'm yawning at the usual prats touting the history lessons. As if we didn't know.

Oh..... LOL..... My bad.

 

[TrueTT]

Whether land was a coveted concept, thought of as a possession or not is immaterial.

They lost vast territories as a consequence of losing wars to a technologically superior force.

My point is this: If tomorrow they had the means or military might to redress and recoup the lands they conceded in the wars lost (not lands which were sold) in the 19th century....they are morally justified to do so.

Same as the Jews in Palestine being justified to do what they did in 1948. The Nakba is a hoax.

OMG!!!!



How could they 'lose' what they never owned????????



On the other hand....you are perfectly correct about Jews and the Nakba.

The two situations are not comparable.....the Jews bought the land.

The Jews did not buy all of the lands they currently own- or what was to be apportioned to them as part of the British Mandate.

Just look at the map of the partition plan in 1947 and then compare it to the Israeli map at the point of then 1949 Armistice.

The Jews should’ve taken all of it- not because they bought it. But because as Jews they have the legitimate rights as indigenous peoples to the land of Israel. From the river to the sea.

Let's check:


One would expect to see commonplace examples of Jews stealing, strong-arming, swindling, blackmailing; basically resorting to any trick up their sleeve to pry land out of Arab hands. In reality, the Jewish technique of accumulating land was simple ... they bought it. Both the concern and the complaints of Jews dispossessing Arabs centered on how much land the Jews were purchasing, not stealing, from land owners:

• The British investigation into the Arab riots during 1936-39 identifies "Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land"1, not Jewish theft of land, as one of the motivating factors.

• "Conversely, the main Ottoman and Arab complaint against the Zionists was about land sales..."2

• "Meanwhile, Jewish land purchase continued apace, exacerbating Palestinian disquiet."3

• "Arab discontent on account of Jewish immigration and the sale of lands to Jews which has been a permanent feature of political opinion in Palestine for the past ten years, began to show signs of renewed activity from the beginning of 1933, developing in intensity until it reached a climax in the riots of October and November."4

• "In the beginning of the 1930s, the national value of the land and its transfer from one people to the other became one of the main issues in the political conflict between the two communities. The Arabs insisted that His Majesty's Government put an end to land purchase by the Jews, claiming that it threatened their national existence."5

• "Though they had profited from the enhanced trade and employment opportunities generated by the new Jewish settlements, Palestinian Arabs had grown increasingly concerned about the rise of Jewish immigration and land purchases."

6

• "An article published in July 1911 by Mustafa Effendi Tamr, a teacher of mathematics at a Jerusalem school" reads, "You are selling the property of your fathers and grandfathers for a pittance to people who will have no pity on you, to those who will act to expel you and expunge your memory from your habitations and disperse you among the nations. This is a crime that will be recorded in your names in history, a black stain and disgrace that your descendants will bear, which will not be expunged even after years and eras have gone by. ... Opposition to land sales was one of the principal focal points around which the Arab national idea in Palestine coalesced."

7

• "Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would or could pay."

32

• King Abdallah of Jordan complains several times in his memoirs about Jews acquiring land in Palestine. Not once does he accuse the Jews of stealing it from the Arabs. Each time he mentions it, the complaint is how much land they are buying:
  • "... the fears of the Arab political leaders are supported by the fact that the sale of land continues unrestricted and every day one piece of land after another is torn from the hands of the Arabs.

8

• "According to my information the Jews have requested the continuance of the mandate so that they can buy up more land and bring in additional immigrants. No other country has gone through such a trial as Palestine."

9

• "Or are you among those who believe that there is no harm in continuing the present deleterious mandate despite the Jewish usurpers it has brought and despite the demonstrated inability of those Palestinians now at the political helm to prevent their compatriots from selling their land? Furthermore, it is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."

10

• "‘Know each of you that in the end every Arab who sells land of the Arab patrimony or who pimps for the Jews will soon receive his due, which is certain death.’ The placards were signed by an organization calling itself ‘Revenge.’ ‘Our problem is the outcome of the sale of our land. The amazing thing is that we sell to the Jews and then scream and wail and ask for the government’s help,’"11

• "The land policy of the Zionist movement in the pre-state era was based on purchase of land on the open market by Jewish institutions (mainly the JNF) and subsequent freezing of the ownership so as to ensure that the purchased land would be in Jewish hands in perpetuity."33

Not only was the land being legally purchased, it was being purchased at drastically inflated prices. Arab land owners were making a killing selling their land during the waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the animosity against selling land to Jews coming from elitist Arabs, it simply made good economic sense for landlords to sell while they could exploit the thriving market Jewish demand was creating. Sometimes the land being purchased was nothing more than sand dune, malarial swamps and marshes, or other unattractive plots of waste. Even so, it was payday for many landlords; a day many hadn't seen in a long time and one that wouldn't come again:

• "Until 1936 ... the Jews acquired about 25,000 dunam in the Beit-Shean Valley ... The soil was of the poorest quality, in scattered parcels of land, and it was impossible to establish even one settlement on it. The Jewish purchasers paid the full price for these lands; in addition the Government compelled them to cover all the outstanding debts that the sellers had accumulated. (In most cases not one penny of these bad debts had been paid for years.)"12

• "The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."13

• "He [the Arab] may sell his land for a fantastic price and add to the congestion in the other zones by moving there. An Arab living a short distance away, just across the zone boundary, cannot obtain anything approximating the same sum for land of equal quality.”14

• "The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."15

• "The settlers were ready to pay much more than the economic value of the land. The same or better land is available a few kilometers to the east or north of the Palestine frontiers at one tenth or less of the Palestinian price."16

• “Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17

• “By 1925 over 2,600 Jews had settled in the [Jezreel] valley, and 3,000 acres of barren hillside had been afforested. This previously uncultivated land, bought at highly inflated prices, became the pattern of all subsequent Jewish National Fund settlements in Palestine.”18

• "In his 'note of reservations' to the Report of the Woodhead Commission, Sir Alison Russel says: 'It does not appear to me that to permit an Arab to sell his land for three or four times its value, and to go with the money to a different part of the Arab world where land is cheap, can be said to "prejudice" his rights and position.'"19

• "The average price paid by Jews for the rural land they bought in Palestine during 1944 amounted to over $1000 per acre or about $250 per dunam (including the value of buildings, orchards and other improvements). These prices are, of course, highly inflated …"20

• "... land brokers sometimes purchased their shares or parcels at a very low price and sold them at ten and twenty multiples to Jewish buyers. Peasants who were in musha' villages were particularly incensed at landlords, land brokers, or agents after learning that they had been swindled."21

• "Aharon Danin of KKL told of an interesting conversation he had at the beginning of the 1940s with Khaled Zu’bi (brother of Sayf al-Din), who helped him buy land in the Zu’biyya villages east of Nazareth: He [Zu’bi] said, ‘Look, who knows better than me that your work is pure. You pay money for everything, top dollar, many times more than what the land is worth. But that doesn’t change the fact that you are dispossessing us. You are dispossessing us with money, not by force, but the fact is that we are leaving the land.’ I say to him: ‘You are from this Zu’biyya tribe which is located here, in Transjordan, and in Syria, what difference does it make to you where you are, if you are here or if you and your family are there? …’ He said: ‘It’s hard for me to tell you, but in any case the graves of my forefathers are here. I feel that we are leaving this place. It’s our fault and not yours.’"30

Footnotes:
1 Great Britain, and William Robert Wellesley Peel Peel. Palestine Royal Commission Report. London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1937.
2 Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 - 1958 by D. K. Fieldhouse, Pg. 125
3 Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond by David McDowall, Pg. 23
4 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
5 "The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine" by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 199.
6 Oren, Michael. Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the PresentPg. 368
7 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 45
8 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 81. In a letter written to the High Commissioner for Transjordan, Sir Arthur Wauchope on July 25, 1934.
9 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 88. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
10 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pp. 88-89. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
11 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 219-220.
12 Avneri, Aryeh L. The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs 1878-1948. Efal, Israel: Yad Tabenkin, 1982. 168.
13 Hope Simpson Report, Pg. 51
14 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Chapter I
15 Bard, Mitchell G. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. 2006. 19.
16 Jewish Colonisataion and Arab Development in Palestine by David Horowitz, Central Zionist Archives, Record Group S90/File 76, 7 October 1945
17 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 3.
18 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 12.
19 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 101
20 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 112
21 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
22 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
23 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
24 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 197.
25 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 215.
26 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 14
27 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 83
28 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 225.
29 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 173.
30 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 200.


Middle East Piece - Jewish Land Purchase and Dispossession

You just completely disregarded what I stated regarding the 1948 war lol.

Everything you've said....err, linked.... is true.

It's also true that Israel acquired more land than what was apportioned to them (and rightfully so) during the first Arab-Israeli war.

Israeli soldiers displayed indefatigability of the highest order in the face of a multi-pronged Arab assault. Brilliant tactics, logistics command, military planning and navigation of the terrain despite having only arrived there in a matter of a few decades.

I am here to shout down the pro-Palestinian/Arab/Muslim propagandists who want to claim that all of that is somehow moral or sinful.

"... land than what was apportioned to them..."


The King of Jordan says they purchased it.



BTW....I've been to both Israel and Jordan. Same land....but what each has done with it is dramatic.

They purchased significant portions of it, yes. Others was subsumed upon military victories.

I’ve been to Israel, Jordan, the West Bank and Lebanon and I agree with you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Enough of the pathetic defense of this anti-Semitic terrorist-supporting revisionist historian.

Tlaib attempted to sell a truckload of make-believe bullshit.

Not only was everything she said historically inaccurate, the claim that the Palestinians sacrificed in the name of attempting to create a safe haven for the Jews was a lie. Palestinian leaders actually sided with Hitler and had an historic hand in the attempted genocide of the Jews.

There is no defense of this. Even liberal news media CNN blasted Tlaib for her anti-Semitic revisionist history!

And despite this, after inviting an anti-Semitic Muslim to give an opening prayer, Pelosi - and Hoyer - demanded the President apologize to Tlaib.

After giving such an insane account of revisionist history, Tlaib should apologize to the entire world.

Once again, the Democrats have demonstrated to the world that they continue to embrace growing alarming anti-Semitism.

There should be a apology. The fact is that you and Trump are liars. You made a false accusation against her by taking her words out of context. To you anyone who questions the crooked Netanyahu is a anti-Semite. You have every right to disagree with Netanyahu.

Here's the party you support:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.




Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

I don't support either party. However your post is garbage. Republicans have managed to alienate Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, better educated voters, and women to name a few groups they have alienated.

You have Republicans moving to the far right by criminalizing abortion and what is so sad is we have male legislators telling a woman what she can do with her body. Falwell shuts down anybody who is against Trump. There is no evidence any illegals have voted. Opposing Netanyahu is not anti-Semitism.

You are a garbage right wing Trump supporter and Americans are sick of Trump.

1. I said nothing about 'alienating' anyone. I said this:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

You didn't deny it....yet you said you don't support either party. You must be a fool, huh?


2. "You have Republicans moving to the far right by criminalizing abortion.."
Obviously you support murder and infanticide...

There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York

…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

infanticide | Definition of infanticide in English by Oxford Dictionaries




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.


3. There is no Far Right in this nation.....I'd be happy to prove it.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

sobie----stop being stupid--

Oh, come on, Rosie, that's not really fair.


You might as well tell a piranha to stop being hungry.

 

[basquebromance]

"Appearing on Seth Meyers' late night TV show, Rep. Rashida Tlaib says a friend told her to talk like a 4th grader so "racist idiots" would understand her.⠀
⠀
Rep. Liz Cheney says even 4th graders know what the Holocaust was and that Tlaib's comments sounded an awful lot like Holocaust deniers"

 

[PoliticalChic]

OMG!!!!



How could they 'lose' what they never owned????????



On the other hand....you are perfectly correct about Jews and the Nakba.

The two situations are not comparable.....the Jews bought the land.

The Jews did not buy all of the lands they currently own- or what was to be apportioned to them as part of the British Mandate.

Just look at the map of the partition plan in 1947 and then compare it to the Israeli map at the point of then 1949 Armistice.

The Jews should’ve taken all of it- not because they bought it. But because as Jews they have the legitimate rights as indigenous peoples to the land of Israel. From the river to the sea.

Let's check:


One would expect to see commonplace examples of Jews stealing, strong-arming, swindling, blackmailing; basically resorting to any trick up their sleeve to pry land out of Arab hands. In reality, the Jewish technique of accumulating land was simple ... they bought it. Both the concern and the complaints of Jews dispossessing Arabs centered on how much land the Jews were purchasing, not stealing, from land owners:

• The British investigation into the Arab riots during 1936-39 identifies "Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land"1, not Jewish theft of land, as one of the motivating factors.

• "Conversely, the main Ottoman and Arab complaint against the Zionists was about land sales..."2

• "Meanwhile, Jewish land purchase continued apace, exacerbating Palestinian disquiet."3

• "Arab discontent on account of Jewish immigration and the sale of lands to Jews which has been a permanent feature of political opinion in Palestine for the past ten years, began to show signs of renewed activity from the beginning of 1933, developing in intensity until it reached a climax in the riots of October and November."4

• "In the beginning of the 1930s, the national value of the land and its transfer from one people to the other became one of the main issues in the political conflict between the two communities. The Arabs insisted that His Majesty's Government put an end to land purchase by the Jews, claiming that it threatened their national existence."5

• "Though they had profited from the enhanced trade and employment opportunities generated by the new Jewish settlements, Palestinian Arabs had grown increasingly concerned about the rise of Jewish immigration and land purchases."

6

• "An article published in July 1911 by Mustafa Effendi Tamr, a teacher of mathematics at a Jerusalem school" reads, "You are selling the property of your fathers and grandfathers for a pittance to people who will have no pity on you, to those who will act to expel you and expunge your memory from your habitations and disperse you among the nations. This is a crime that will be recorded in your names in history, a black stain and disgrace that your descendants will bear, which will not be expunged even after years and eras have gone by. ... Opposition to land sales was one of the principal focal points around which the Arab national idea in Palestine coalesced."

7

• "Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would or could pay."

32

• King Abdallah of Jordan complains several times in his memoirs about Jews acquiring land in Palestine. Not once does he accuse the Jews of stealing it from the Arabs. Each time he mentions it, the complaint is how much land they are buying:
  • "... the fears of the Arab political leaders are supported by the fact that the sale of land continues unrestricted and every day one piece of land after another is torn from the hands of the Arabs.

8

• "According to my information the Jews have requested the continuance of the mandate so that they can buy up more land and bring in additional immigrants. No other country has gone through such a trial as Palestine."

9

• "Or are you among those who believe that there is no harm in continuing the present deleterious mandate despite the Jewish usurpers it has brought and despite the demonstrated inability of those Palestinians now at the political helm to prevent their compatriots from selling their land? Furthermore, it is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."

10

• "‘Know each of you that in the end every Arab who sells land of the Arab patrimony or who pimps for the Jews will soon receive his due, which is certain death.’ The placards were signed by an organization calling itself ‘Revenge.’ ‘Our problem is the outcome of the sale of our land. The amazing thing is that we sell to the Jews and then scream and wail and ask for the government’s help,’"11

• "The land policy of the Zionist movement in the pre-state era was based on purchase of land on the open market by Jewish institutions (mainly the JNF) and subsequent freezing of the ownership so as to ensure that the purchased land would be in Jewish hands in perpetuity."33

Not only was the land being legally purchased, it was being purchased at drastically inflated prices. Arab land owners were making a killing selling their land during the waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the animosity against selling land to Jews coming from elitist Arabs, it simply made good economic sense for landlords to sell while they could exploit the thriving market Jewish demand was creating. Sometimes the land being purchased was nothing more than sand dune, malarial swamps and marshes, or other unattractive plots of waste. Even so, it was payday for many landlords; a day many hadn't seen in a long time and one that wouldn't come again:

• "Until 1936 ... the Jews acquired about 25,000 dunam in the Beit-Shean Valley ... The soil was of the poorest quality, in scattered parcels of land, and it was impossible to establish even one settlement on it. The Jewish purchasers paid the full price for these lands; in addition the Government compelled them to cover all the outstanding debts that the sellers had accumulated. (In most cases not one penny of these bad debts had been paid for years.)"12

• "The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."13

• "He [the Arab] may sell his land for a fantastic price and add to the congestion in the other zones by moving there. An Arab living a short distance away, just across the zone boundary, cannot obtain anything approximating the same sum for land of equal quality.”14

• "The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."15

• "The settlers were ready to pay much more than the economic value of the land. The same or better land is available a few kilometers to the east or north of the Palestine frontiers at one tenth or less of the Palestinian price."16

• “Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17

• “By 1925 over 2,600 Jews had settled in the [Jezreel] valley, and 3,000 acres of barren hillside had been afforested. This previously uncultivated land, bought at highly inflated prices, became the pattern of all subsequent Jewish National Fund settlements in Palestine.”18

• "In his 'note of reservations' to the Report of the Woodhead Commission, Sir Alison Russel says: 'It does not appear to me that to permit an Arab to sell his land for three or four times its value, and to go with the money to a different part of the Arab world where land is cheap, can be said to "prejudice" his rights and position.'"19

• "The average price paid by Jews for the rural land they bought in Palestine during 1944 amounted to over $1000 per acre or about $250 per dunam (including the value of buildings, orchards and other improvements). These prices are, of course, highly inflated …"20

• "... land brokers sometimes purchased their shares or parcels at a very low price and sold them at ten and twenty multiples to Jewish buyers. Peasants who were in musha' villages were particularly incensed at landlords, land brokers, or agents after learning that they had been swindled."21

• "Aharon Danin of KKL told of an interesting conversation he had at the beginning of the 1940s with Khaled Zu’bi (brother of Sayf al-Din), who helped him buy land in the Zu’biyya villages east of Nazareth: He [Zu’bi] said, ‘Look, who knows better than me that your work is pure. You pay money for everything, top dollar, many times more than what the land is worth. But that doesn’t change the fact that you are dispossessing us. You are dispossessing us with money, not by force, but the fact is that we are leaving the land.’ I say to him: ‘You are from this Zu’biyya tribe which is located here, in Transjordan, and in Syria, what difference does it make to you where you are, if you are here or if you and your family are there? …’ He said: ‘It’s hard for me to tell you, but in any case the graves of my forefathers are here. I feel that we are leaving this place. It’s our fault and not yours.’"30

Footnotes:
1 Great Britain, and William Robert Wellesley Peel Peel. Palestine Royal Commission Report. London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1937.
2 Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 - 1958 by D. K. Fieldhouse, Pg. 125
3 Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond by David McDowall, Pg. 23
4 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
5 "The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine" by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 199.
6 Oren, Michael. Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the PresentPg. 368
7 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 45
8 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 81. In a letter written to the High Commissioner for Transjordan, Sir Arthur Wauchope on July 25, 1934.
9 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 88. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
10 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pp. 88-89. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
11 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 219-220.
12 Avneri, Aryeh L. The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs 1878-1948. Efal, Israel: Yad Tabenkin, 1982. 168.
13 Hope Simpson Report, Pg. 51
14 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Chapter I
15 Bard, Mitchell G. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. 2006. 19.
16 Jewish Colonisataion and Arab Development in Palestine by David Horowitz, Central Zionist Archives, Record Group S90/File 76, 7 October 1945
17 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 3.
18 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 12.
19 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 101
20 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 112
21 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
22 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
23 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
24 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 197.
25 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 215.
26 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 14
27 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 83
28 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 225.
29 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 173.
30 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 200.


Middle East Piece - Jewish Land Purchase and Dispossession

You just completely disregarded what I stated regarding the 1948 war lol.

Everything you've said....err, linked.... is true.

It's also true that Israel acquired more land than what was apportioned to them (and rightfully so) during the first Arab-Israeli war.

Israeli soldiers displayed indefatigability of the highest order in the face of a multi-pronged Arab assault. Brilliant tactics, logistics command, military planning and navigation of the terrain despite having only arrived there in a matter of a few decades.

I am here to shout down the pro-Palestinian/Arab/Muslim propagandists who want to claim that all of that is somehow moral or sinful.

"... land than what was apportioned to them..."


The King of Jordan says they purchased it.



BTW....I've been to both Israel and Jordan. Same land....but what each has done with it is dramatic.

They purchased significant portions of it, yes. Others was subsumed upon military victories.

I’ve been to Israel, Jordan, the West Bank and Lebanon and I agree with you.

You might like this reminder...


One Of The Wonders of the Ancient World: Petra

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Dogmaphobe]

D-Tlaib:
"There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust."



Welcome to the New Socialist Pro-Tertorist Anti-Semitic Democratic Party...


Rashida Tlaib slammed by House GOP over statement that Holocaust gives her 'kind of a calming feeling'

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Rep. Rashida Tlaib: Palestinians Created "Safe Haven" For Jews After Holocaust, Israel Took Their "Dignity"

Once again lies and character assassinations, by Right Wingers. The Truth will set them free, free from winning elections, passing racists and misogynist legislation, and corrupting the Constitution to meet their needs.

What are you talking about? Right wingers? A blanket statement, meaningless in itself, covering a multitude of half baked excuses and avoidance tactics.

And let me tell you: the three witches from Macbeth have been resurrected. In your Congress.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

"What are you talking about? Right wingers? A blanket statement, meaningless in itself, covering a multitude of half baked excuses and avoidance tactics."
Minful

Half-Truths and Lies by Omission are not meaningless, and the OP is a serial liar. Quoting out of context by leaving out the entire quote effects the meaning, and is dishonest and a very common practice used by the Right Wingers.

You tell me. As a Jew, how should I take her comment that the Holocaust gives her a calming feeling? Thanks.

She's got that peaceful, easy feeling.
And six million can't let her down
Cause they're already burried
In the ground.

 

[Faun]

Rep. Rashida Tlaib: Palestinians Created "Safe Haven" For Jews After Holocaust, Israel Took Their "Dignity"

Once again lies and character assassinations, by Right Wingers. The Truth will set them free, free from winning elections, passing racists and misogynist legislation, and corrupting the Constitution to meet their needs.

What are you talking about? Right wingers? A blanket statement, meaningless in itself, covering a multitude of half baked excuses and avoidance tactics.

And let me tell you: the three witches from Macbeth have been resurrected. In your Congress.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

"What are you talking about? Right wingers? A blanket statement, meaningless in itself, covering a multitude of half baked excuses and avoidance tactics."
Minful

Half-Truths and Lies by Omission are not meaningless, and the OP is a serial liar. Quoting out of context by leaving out the entire quote effects the meaning, and is dishonest and a very common practice used by the Right Wingers.

You tell me. As a Jew, how should I take her comment that the Holocaust gives her a calming feeling? Thanks.

Well since she said it was the safe haven in Palestine which gave a comforting feeling, and not the Holocaust, which she described as "horrific" and a "tragedy," I would expect a Jew to comprehend her words in context. I was able to. I'm unable to explain why you can't.

She said the Holocaust gave her a feeling of comfort and then went on to bash the Jews. I heard It.

LOL

You poor thing, you're fucking deranged.

She referred to the Holocaust as "horrific" and a "tragedy."

She was referring to thinking about the safe haven of Palestine as producing that calming feeling. If you weren't as deranged as you are, you'd be able to understand the context of her answer to the question she was asked and would be able to comprehend that being comforted by the Holocaust doesn't make a whit of sense.

"There's a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land, and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people's passports. I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time, and I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right, and it was forced on them. And so when I think about a one-state, I think about the fact that, why couldn't we do it in a better way?"​

According to the brain-dead cultist conservative zombies, it's not th ed thing that she loves which gives her a calming feeling, it's the tragedy she finds horrific.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Too bad it is not historically accurate.

CNN Anchor Corrects Rep. Rashida Tlaib Over Holocaust Remarks

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What are you talking about? Right wingers? A blanket statement, meaningless in itself, covering a multitude of half baked excuses and avoidance tactics.

And let me tell you: the three witches from Macbeth have been resurrected. In your Congress.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

"What are you talking about? Right wingers? A blanket statement, meaningless in itself, covering a multitude of half baked excuses and avoidance tactics."
Minful

Half-Truths and Lies by Omission are not meaningless, and the OP is a serial liar. Quoting out of context by leaving out the entire quote effects the meaning, and is dishonest and a very common practice used by the Right Wingers.

You tell me. As a Jew, how should I take her comment that the Holocaust gives her a calming feeling? Thanks.

Well since she said it was the safe haven in Palestine which gave a comforting feeling, and not the Holocaust, which she described as "horrific" and a "tragedy," I would expect a Jew to comprehend her words in context. I was able to. I'm unable to explain why you can't.

She said the Holocaust gave her a feeling of comfort and then went on to bash the Jews. I heard It.

LOL

You poor thing, you're fucking deranged.

She referred to the Holocaust as "horrific" and a "tragedy."

She was referring to thinking about the safe haven of Palestine as producing that calming feeling. If you weren't as deranged as you are, you'd be able to understand the context of her answer to the question she was asked and would be able to comprehend that being comforted by the Holocaust doesn't make a whit of sense.

"There's a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land, and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people's passports. I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time, and I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right, and it was forced on them. And so when I think about a one-state, I think about the fact that, why couldn't we do it in a better way?"​

According to the brain-dead cultist conservative zombies, it's not th ed thing that she loves which gives her a calming feeling, it's the tragedy she finds horrific.

CNN Anchor Corrects Rep. Rashida Tlaib Over Holocaust Remarks

LOL

You’re dumb

 

[Slade3200]

D-Tlaib:
"There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust."



Welcome to the New Socialist Pro-Tertorist Anti-Semitic Democratic Party...


Rashida Tlaib slammed by House GOP over statement that Holocaust gives her 'kind of a calming feeling'

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Excellent, another fine example of your inability to comprehend or your willingness to lie and spin. Well done ya douche!

Were are the lies?

Is Tlaib a Democrat?

Is she an anti-Semite?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

 

[CrusaderFrank]

D-Tlaib:
"There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust."



Welcome to the New Socialist Pro-Tertorist Anti-Semitic Democratic Party...


Rashida Tlaib slammed by House GOP over statement that Holocaust gives her 'kind of a calming feeling'

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Every time Rashida Taliban speaks, Trump picks up another State in 2020

 

[toomuchtime_]

D-Tlaib:
"There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust."



Welcome to the New Socialist Pro-Tertorist Anti-Semitic Democratic Party...


Rashida Tlaib slammed by House GOP over statement that Holocaust gives her 'kind of a calming feeling'

.

Excellent, another fine example of your inability to comprehend or your willingness to lie and spin. Well done ya douche!

Were are the lies?

Is Tlaib a Democrat?

Is she an anti-Semite?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

 

[Faun]

"What are you talking about? Right wingers? A blanket statement, meaningless in itself, covering a multitude of half baked excuses and avoidance tactics."
Minful

Half-Truths and Lies by Omission are not meaningless, and the OP is a serial liar. Quoting out of context by leaving out the entire quote effects the meaning, and is dishonest and a very common practice used by the Right Wingers.

You tell me. As a Jew, how should I take her comment that the Holocaust gives her a calming feeling? Thanks.

Well since she said it was the safe haven in Palestine which gave a comforting feeling, and not the Holocaust, which she described as "horrific" and a "tragedy," I would expect a Jew to comprehend her words in context. I was able to. I'm unable to explain why you can't.

She said the Holocaust gave her a feeling of comfort and then went on to bash the Jews. I heard It.

LOL

You poor thing, you're fucking deranged.

She referred to the Holocaust as "horrific" and a "tragedy."

She was referring to thinking about the safe haven of Palestine as producing that calming feeling. If you weren't as deranged as you are, you'd be able to understand the context of her answer to the question she was asked and would be able to comprehend that being comforted by the Holocaust doesn't make a whit of sense.

"There's a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land, and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people's passports. I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time, and I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right, and it was forced on them. And so when I think about a one-state, I think about the fact that, why couldn't we do it in a better way?"​

According to the brain-dead cultist conservative zombies, it's not th ed thing that she loves which gives her a calming feeling, it's the tragedy she finds horrific.

CNN Anchor Corrects Rep. Rashida Tlaib Over Holocaust Remarks

LOL

You’re dumb

LOLOL

"Now remember what you just heard a moment ago... Tlaib did call the Holocaust "horrific" and a "tragedy," so the Republican focus on the word "calming" does twist the Congresswoman's words out of context.
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From your own link!

What he corrected her on, and rightfully so, was her ignoring the fact that Palestinian leaders at the time aligned with Hitler and that their response to the creation of Israel was all-out war.

He did not correct her for claiming she got a calming feeling because of the Holocaust since she never said that. She said it was the safe haven of Palestine which gives a "calming feeling."

But again, you're crazy enough to think a "tragedy" she finds "horrific" comforts her and not the thing she said she "loves." Your deformed brain thinks that way because you're fucking deranged.

 

[PoliticalChic]

D-Tlaib:
"There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust."



Welcome to the New Socialist Pro-Tertorist Anti-Semitic Democratic Party...


Rashida Tlaib slammed by House GOP over statement that Holocaust gives her 'kind of a calming feeling'

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Excellent, another fine example of your inability to comprehend or your willingness to lie and spin. Well done ya douche!

Were are the lies?

Is Tlaib a Democrat?

Is she an anti-Semite?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?




Let me help.....here is her 'ancestor,' the Grand Mufti with his pal:


The archives of the National Library of Israel have revealed another document that attests to a connection between Nazi Germany and Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini.

• The document in question is a letter of praise sent by head of the SS, Heinrich Himmler, to the Palestinian leader in the autumn of 1943 at the height of the extermination of Jews in Europe.

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Himmler and the Mufti shaking hands




"To the Grand Mufti Amin al-Husseini. The National-Socialist movement of greater Germany has made its fight against world Jewry a guiding principle since its very beginning. For that reason it has been closely following the battle of freedom-seeking Arabs—and especially in Palestine—against the Jewish invaders," wrote the SS commander.



Himmler continued, saying, "The joint recognition of the enemy, and the joint battle against him are what creates the firm allegiance between Germany and freedom-seeking Muslims all over the world."



Himmler ended the letter with congratulations to the Mufti, saying, "In this spirit, I am happy to wish you on the first anniversary of the Balfour Declaration, warm wishes for the continuation of your battle until the big victory."





Now.....who would be a better Democrat, Himmler or the Mufti????

Or you?