DC's Minimum Wage Really Does Cost Jobs At Walmart

[Indeependent]

Everybody in freaking Washington D.C. is on the federal teat. They would be unemployable in a simple job like Walmart.

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

Yeah we are. We're the ones advocating for the residents.

There is only one way for a person to get out of poverty. Work their way out.

You make them unemployable, because you raise the minimum wage above the value of their skills.... so they are left completely unemployable.

Now they are doomed to poverty until they die. That's where your system leads.

I have a friend in Kentucky. She worked at Walmart for 5 years. She banked a ton of Walmart stock and 401K... but more importantly it was the best paying job around. She was able to use Walmart's tuition reimbursement to go to classes at night. She now has a degree in civil engineering.

If you people have screwed her over, ruined that Walmart job, there was no other place that offered tuition reimbursement... she would still be earning minimum wage with no degree to this day. And no 401K and Walmart stock either.

*YOU* are the people that screw over the poor. Not us.

I have another friend... he worked at Advance Auto Parts. Started out minimum wage, stocking shelves. He entered the Advance corporate training program. He worked there for years. Now he's a store manager, making $70K a year (when you include the profit bonus at year end).

If you had screwed him over, eliminated those jobs, he wouldn't be there making good money.

YOU are the ones that screw over the poor. Not us. We are the ones that advocate for the poor, by allowing opportunity. You eliminate opportunity. Not us.

Wow! Do I have to give YOU a prize for not reading all of my postings on this Thread?
The Minimum Wage is a Band-Aid for a poor educational and opportunity paradigm.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Everybody in freaking Washington D.C. is on the federal teat. They would be unemployable in a simple job like Walmart.

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

Perhaps if someone built a store in the city that would provide them with jobs, they could work their way out of poverty?

Oh, wait...

 

[Andylusion]

700 in one shot.
I know a few of them; they were replaced by Indians.
No discussion; just cheap a$$ labor.
And yes, Windows 10 is just ANOTHER example of how the Best & The Brightest who are replacing us AREN'T the Best & the Brightest.
I should have known I was having a discussion with someone who makes money from H1-Bs.

Java is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tough to learn.
Why not fire EVERY programmer every 6 months.
Give me a break, I programmed in at least 5 languages over a 16 year period and the concepts were all the same.
Then Gates came along.

No no no... Windows version 1 and 2, and Windows 95, and Vista, and "ME" and so one were much worse than Window 10, and done with all domestic labor.

Makes money from H1-Bs? Dude I'm manual labor. I work for an hourly wage. I've never made more than $20K in a single year in my entire life.

I just have my eyes open, and ears listening, and talk to the company owners. I know what's going on, because unlike you, I ask questions, and find out the reasons, instead of just making up crap, and judging people, when I don't know the reason for anything.

In other words, not like you.

My company has been trying to hire software engineers for ages. We still have 2 positions open. We can't get anyone to take them.

And that's just us. I know of several others here in Columbus Ohio, desperate for software coders. Where are all these millions of unemployed software coders replaced by your mythical H1-B visa avalanche?

The engineers that suck get replaced. The engineers that are good, are still working. My uncles and engineer... he's working. Why? He works his butt off. He got laid off 5+ years ago... and he found another job in a month.

Get to work, and you'll be employed. Fart around whining about how H1-B visas, and then wonder why you can't find a job. That's my experience. I've seen it over and over and over.

 

[Indeependent]

Everybody in freaking Washington D.C. is on the federal teat. They would be unemployable in a simple job like Walmart.

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

Perhaps if someone built a store in the city that would provide them with jobs, they could work their way out of poverty?

Oh, wait...

NOW you're talking.
Yes, small stores owned by local people who could also use an opportunity to make good.
AND support this effort, along with a better educational infrastructure, with Federal Tax dollars.

 

[dblack]

Fewer people being taught how to go on Medicaid and Food Stamps...Sounds good to me.

What the fuck you talking about? The stores they were going to open up was around 450 jobs. Where their is no FUCKING jobs.

The three stores that opened up in the D.C. area had like 5,000 applicants for only 300 jobs if memory serves me correctly.

In case you were unaware, Walmart instructs their low wage employees how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.
No Walmart jobs = no extra Middle Class Tax Payer money going to support low wage Walmart employees.
Smaller stores with less leeching government power will fill the gap.

Yep. And they'll hire less people.

Let me ask you, who do you think soaks up more social welfare benefits, someone working for Wal-Mart, or someone not working at all?

 

[Andylusion]

Everybody in freaking Washington D.C. is on the federal teat. They would be unemployable in a simple job like Walmart.

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

Yeah we are. We're the ones advocating for the residents.

There is only one way for a person to get out of poverty. Work their way out.

You make them unemployable, because you raise the minimum wage above the value of their skills.... so they are left completely unemployable.

Now they are doomed to poverty until they die. That's where your system leads.

I have a friend in Kentucky. She worked at Walmart for 5 years. She banked a ton of Walmart stock and 401K... but more importantly it was the best paying job around. She was able to use Walmart's tuition reimbursement to go to classes at night. She now has a degree in civil engineering.

If you people have screwed her over, ruined that Walmart job, there was no other place that offered tuition reimbursement... she would still be earning minimum wage with no degree to this day. And no 401K and Walmart stock either.

*YOU* are the people that screw over the poor. Not us.

I have another friend... he worked at Advance Auto Parts. Started out minimum wage, stocking shelves. He entered the Advance corporate training program. He worked there for years. Now he's a store manager, making $70K a year (when you include the profit bonus at year end).

If you had screwed him over, eliminated those jobs, he wouldn't be there making good money.

YOU are the ones that screw over the poor. Not us. We are the ones that advocate for the poor, by allowing opportunity. You eliminate opportunity. Not us.

Wow! Do I have to give YOU a prize for not reading all of my postings on this Thread?
The Minimum Wage is a Band-Aid for a poor educational and opportunity paradigm.

Yeah I would disagree with that. We have people who immigrate into this country, with zero education, and end up CEOs making milllions. We have endless stories of this.

Do we have some crappy education going on? Yeah... I can see that argument. But that's not even the major factor. The major factor is that people would rather live off the government and not work. Period. They would! I've met them. I've been to their homes.

That's the issue. Anyone can learn to tile floors. Anyone. It's work though. You have to get on your hands and knees, and be willing to put in some hours of hard work.

But I know a guy right now that pulls $50,000 a year working just on the WEEKENDS. That's not a matter of education. You don't need "Tile Floor 101". You don't need a masters in engineering. You need to be willing to get off your BUTT.... waddle your over-weight ass to a work site.... get your game face on, and make stuff happen.

Because this guy works..... he has McDonalds and Wendy's franchises calling him to install their floors.

You don't need a new school system. You need a reformation of morals and work ethic. If you need any education, it needs to be "Earn It 101" and "Elbow Grease 102".

The minimum wage, isn't a band aid. Not even an aid. It's a job destroying doom to poverty, is what it is.

 

[Indeependent]

700 in one shot.
I know a few of them; they were replaced by Indians.
No discussion; just cheap a$$ labor.
And yes, Windows 10 is just ANOTHER example of how the Best & The Brightest who are replacing us AREN'T the Best & the Brightest.
I should have known I was having a discussion with someone who makes money from H1-Bs.

Java is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tough to learn.
Why not fire EVERY programmer every 6 months.
Give me a break, I programmed in at least 5 languages over a 16 year period and the concepts were all the same.
Then Gates came along.

No no no... Windows version 1 and 2, and Windows 95, and Vista, and "ME" and so one were much worse than Window 10, and done with all domestic labor.

Makes money from H1-Bs? Dude I'm manual labor. I work for an hourly wage. I've never made more than $20K in a single year in my entire life.

I just have my eyes open, and ears listening, and talk to the company owners. I know what's going on, because unlike you, I ask questions, and find out the reasons, instead of just making up crap, and judging people, when I don't know the reason for anything.

In other words, not like you.

My company has been trying to hire software engineers for ages. We still have 2 positions open. We can't get anyone to take them.

And that's just us. I know of several others here in Columbus Ohio, desperate for software coders. Where are all these millions of unemployed software coders replaced by your mythical H1-B visa avalanche?

The engineers that suck get replaced. The engineers that are good, are still working. My uncles and engineer... he's working. Why? He works his butt off. He got laid off 5+ years ago... and he found another job in a month.

Get to work, and you'll be employed. Fart around whining about how H1-B visas, and then wonder why you can't find a job. That's my experience. I've seen it over and over and over.

What kind of coders are you looking for? Database? Visual Studio?
Be specific.
It could also be that NY and NJ swallow them all up before they get to Ohio.
JP Morgan alone requests 80K H1-Bs every year.

The lack of programmers today is also because kids know they can't get a job anymore.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Everybody in freaking Washington D.C. is on the federal teat. They would be unemployable in a simple job like Walmart.

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

Perhaps if someone built a store in the city that would provide them with jobs, they could work their way out of poverty?

Oh, wait...

NOW you're talking.
Yes, small stores owned by local people who could also use an opportunity to make good.
AND support this effort, along with a better educational infrastructure, with Federal Tax dollars.

Uh, you realize that DC spends more money per student than anywhere else in the US?

Where are the small businesses going to get the money to pay someone more than they are worth?

 

[Indeependent]

Fewer people being taught how to go on Medicaid and Food Stamps...Sounds good to me.

What the fuck you talking about? The stores they were going to open up was around 450 jobs. Where their is no FUCKING jobs.

The three stores that opened up in the D.C. area had like 5,000 applicants for only 300 jobs if memory serves me correctly.

In case you were unaware, Walmart instructs their low wage employees how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.
No Walmart jobs = no extra Middle Class Tax Payer money going to support low wage Walmart employees.
Smaller stores with less leeching government power will fill the gap.

Yep. And they'll hire less people.

Let me ask you, who do you think soaks up more social welfare benefits, someone working for Wal-Mart, or someone not working at all?

A Libertarian advocating an Entity whose Business Model includes Social Welfare programs?
REALLY?

 

[dblack]

The minimum wage, isn't a band aid. Not even an aid. It's a job destroying doom to poverty, is what it is.

Local minimum wage laws are being use to push the poor out of urban areas. It's stealth gentrification.

 

[Indeependent]

Everybody in freaking Washington D.C. is on the federal teat. They would be unemployable in a simple job like Walmart.

Is ANYONE advocating for the residents?
Is perpetual poverty an answer for an American city?

Perhaps if someone built a store in the city that would provide them with jobs, they could work their way out of poverty?

Oh, wait...

NOW you're talking.
Yes, small stores owned by local people who could also use an opportunity to make good.
AND support this effort, along with a better educational infrastructure, with Federal Tax dollars.

Uh, you realize that DC spends more money per student than anywhere else in the US?

Where are the small businesses going to get the money to pay someone more than they are worth?

Student cost has no basis in reality.
It depends on the City, cost of living, students who requires special help, teacher pay, Insurance costs, utilities, maintenance.
My district allowed the buildings to deteriorate and now want a tremendous budget to make up for it.

 

[dblack]

Fewer people being taught how to go on Medicaid and Food Stamps...Sounds good to me.

What the fuck you talking about? The stores they were going to open up was around 450 jobs. Where their is no FUCKING jobs.

The three stores that opened up in the D.C. area had like 5,000 applicants for only 300 jobs if memory serves me correctly.

In case you were unaware, Walmart instructs their low wage employees how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.
No Walmart jobs = no extra Middle Class Tax Payer money going to support low wage Walmart employees.
Smaller stores with less leeching government power will fill the gap.

Yep. And they'll hire less people.

Let me ask you, who do you think soaks up more social welfare benefits, someone working for Wal-Mart, or someone not working at all?

A Libertarian advocating an Entity whose Business Model includes Social Welfare programs?
REALLY?

I'm not advocating for an "Entity" (seriously, capitalized?? is it some important Essence or something?). I'm simply pointing out the idiocy of your complaint. If you don't like Wal-Mart, or anyone else who hires poor people, to profit from welfare, make it illegal for people with a job to get welfare.

 

[Indeependent]

The minimum wage, isn't a band aid. Not even an aid. It's a job destroying doom to poverty, is what it is.

The minimum wages is being use to push the poor out of urban areas. It's a stealth gentrification stimulus.

It shouldn't exist.
We need education, jobs and careers, not minimum wage.

 

[Indeependent]

Fewer people being taught how to go on Medicaid and Food Stamps...Sounds good to me.

What the fuck you talking about? The stores they were going to open up was around 450 jobs. Where their is no FUCKING jobs.

The three stores that opened up in the D.C. area had like 5,000 applicants for only 300 jobs if memory serves me correctly.

In case you were unaware, Walmart instructs their low wage employees how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.
No Walmart jobs = no extra Middle Class Tax Payer money going to support low wage Walmart employees.
Smaller stores with less leeching government power will fill the gap.

Yep. And they'll hire less people.

Let me ask you, who do you think soaks up more social welfare benefits, someone working for Wal-Mart, or someone not working at all?

A Libertarian advocating an Entity whose Business Model includes Social Welfare programs?
REALLY?

I'm not advocating for an "Entity" (seriously, capitalized?? is it some important Essence or something?). I'm simply pointing out the idiocy of your complaint. If you don't like Wal-Mart, or anyone else who hires poor people, to profit from welfare, make it illegal for people with a job to get welfare.

Yes, an Entity IS important because it often determines the Legislation that removes renumeration from your paycheck.
Yeah, I can talk fancy if you'd prefer.
Now, Liberatrian retard, Walmart's Business Model INCLUDES training employees to go on Tax Payer assistance.
Got it, Libtard?

 

[dblack]

The minimum wage, isn't a band aid. Not even an aid. It's a job destroying doom to poverty, is what it is.

The minimum wages is being use to push the poor out of urban areas. It's a stealth gentrification stimulus.

It shouldn't exist.
We need education, jobs and careers, not minimum wage.

Should government be responsible for education, jobs and careers?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

700 in one shot.
I know a few of them; they were replaced by Indians.
No discussion; just cheap a$$ labor.
And yes, Windows 10 is just ANOTHER example of how the Best & The Brightest who are replacing us AREN'T the Best & the Brightest.
I should have known I was having a discussion with someone who makes money from H1-Bs.

Java is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tough to learn.
Why not fire EVERY programmer every 6 months.
Give me a break, I programmed in at least 5 languages over a 16 year period and the concepts were all the same.
Then Gates came along.

No no no... Windows version 1 and 2, and Windows 95, and Vista, and "ME" and so one were much worse than Window 10, and done with all domestic labor.

Makes money from H1-Bs? Dude I'm manual labor. I work for an hourly wage. I've never made more than $20K in a single year in my entire life.

I just have my eyes open, and ears listening, and talk to the company owners. I know what's going on, because unlike you, I ask questions, and find out the reasons, instead of just making up crap, and judging people, when I don't know the reason for anything.

In other words, not like you.

My company has been trying to hire software engineers for ages. We still have 2 positions open. We can't get anyone to take them.

And that's just us. I know of several others here in Columbus Ohio, desperate for software coders. Where are all these millions of unemployed software coders replaced by your mythical H1-B visa avalanche?

The engineers that suck get replaced. The engineers that are good, are still working. My uncles and engineer... he's working. Why? He works his butt off. He got laid off 5+ years ago... and he found another job in a month.

Get to work, and you'll be employed. Fart around whining about how H1-B visas, and then wonder why you can't find a job. That's my experience. I've seen it over and over and over.

What kind of coders are you looking for? Database? Visual Studio?
Be specific.
It could also be that NY and NJ swallow them all up before they get to Ohio.
JP Morgan alone requests 80K H1-Bs every year.

The lack of programmers today is also because kids know they can't get a job anymore.

Why do you post a lie that is easily disputed?

The actual number for 2015 is 148.

Jpmorgan Chase & Co., Jobs & Salary for Foreign Workers | myvisajobs.com

So which is it? 80,000 or 148? There seems to be quite a bit of difference .

BTW, they only employ 265,359 employees.

That noise you probably heard was you being bitch-slapped back to reality!

 

[Indeependent]

The minimum wage, isn't a band aid. Not even an aid. It's a job destroying doom to poverty, is what it is.

The minimum wages is being use to push the poor out of urban areas. It's a stealth gentrification stimulus.

It shouldn't exist.
We need education, jobs and careers, not minimum wage.

Should government be responsible for education, jobs and careers?

Education. Jobs and careers will follow suit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Fewer people being taught how to go on Medicaid and Food Stamps...Sounds good to me.

What the fuck you talking about? The stores they were going to open up was around 450 jobs. Where their is no FUCKING jobs.

The three stores that opened up in the D.C. area had like 5,000 applicants for only 300 jobs if memory serves me correctly.

In case you were unaware, Walmart instructs their low wage employees how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.
No Walmart jobs = no extra Middle Class Tax Payer money going to support low wage Walmart employees.
Smaller stores with less leeching government power will fill the gap.

In case you were unaware, Indeependent would prefer to have people unemployed than doing jobs or working for companies of which he dispapproves.

Ooh, I see you read all of my posts in this Thread...NOT!!!
Pass Go and collect your "Cecilie1200 is yet another knee-jerk Conservative a$$hole who didn't read all of Independent's postings in this Thread".

Oh, you aren't advocating that it's better for WalMart not to open and employ people if they're not going to pay the wage you want them to? That wouldn't mean those people being unemployed? You haven't posted many times in many threads that it's better for employers who don't pay the wages you approve of to simply not exist, and thereby not employ people?

By all means, prove that you've been misunderstood.

 

[Indeependent]

700 in one shot.
I know a few of them; they were replaced by Indians.
No discussion; just cheap a$$ labor.
And yes, Windows 10 is just ANOTHER example of how the Best & The Brightest who are replacing us AREN'T the Best & the Brightest.
I should have known I was having a discussion with someone who makes money from H1-Bs.

Java is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tough to learn.
Why not fire EVERY programmer every 6 months.
Give me a break, I programmed in at least 5 languages over a 16 year period and the concepts were all the same.
Then Gates came along.

No no no... Windows version 1 and 2, and Windows 95, and Vista, and "ME" and so one were much worse than Window 10, and done with all domestic labor.

Makes money from H1-Bs? Dude I'm manual labor. I work for an hourly wage. I've never made more than $20K in a single year in my entire life.

I just have my eyes open, and ears listening, and talk to the company owners. I know what's going on, because unlike you, I ask questions, and find out the reasons, instead of just making up crap, and judging people, when I don't know the reason for anything.

In other words, not like you.

My company has been trying to hire software engineers for ages. We still have 2 positions open. We can't get anyone to take them.

And that's just us. I know of several others here in Columbus Ohio, desperate for software coders. Where are all these millions of unemployed software coders replaced by your mythical H1-B visa avalanche?

The engineers that suck get replaced. The engineers that are good, are still working. My uncles and engineer... he's working. Why? He works his butt off. He got laid off 5+ years ago... and he found another job in a month.

Get to work, and you'll be employed. Fart around whining about how H1-B visas, and then wonder why you can't find a job. That's my experience. I've seen it over and over and over.

What kind of coders are you looking for? Database? Visual Studio?
Be specific.
It could also be that NY and NJ swallow them all up before they get to Ohio.
JP Morgan alone requests 80K H1-Bs every year.

The lack of programmers today is also because kids know they can't get a job anymore.

Why do you post a lie that is easily disputed?

The actual number for 2015 is 148.

Jpmorgan Chase & Co., Jobs & Salary for Foreign Workers | myvisajobs.com

So which is it? 80,000 or 148? There seems to be quite a bit of difference .

BTW, they only employ 265,359 employees.

That noise you probably heard was you being bitch-slapped back to reality!

I truly apologize, I was quoting from memory from a year or two ago.

 

[dblack]

What the fuck you talking about? The stores they were going to open up was around 450 jobs. Where their is no FUCKING jobs.

The three stores that opened up in the D.C. area had like 5,000 applicants for only 300 jobs if memory serves me correctly.

In case you were unaware, Walmart instructs their low wage employees how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.
No Walmart jobs = no extra Middle Class Tax Payer money going to support low wage Walmart employees.
Smaller stores with less leeching government power will fill the gap.

Yep. And they'll hire less people.

Let me ask you, who do you think soaks up more social welfare benefits, someone working for Wal-Mart, or someone not working at all?

A Libertarian advocating an Entity whose Business Model includes Social Welfare programs?
REALLY?

I'm not advocating for an "Entity" (seriously, capitalized?? is it some important Essence or something?). I'm simply pointing out the idiocy of your complaint. If you don't like Wal-Mart, or anyone else who hires poor people, to profit from welfare, make it illegal for people with a job to get welfare.

Yes, an Entity IS important because it often determines the Legislation that removes renumeration from your paycheck.
Yeah, I can talk fancy if you'd prefer.
Now, Liberatrian retard, Walmart's Business Model INCLUDES training employees to go on Tax Payer assistance.
Got it, Libtard?

Good for them!

Listen, I'm not one of these stingy conservatives who whines about leeches on welfare. They didn't create the stupid system. If they can glean some benefit from it, good for them.

I understand that companies like Wal-Mart profiting from welfare (you're kidding yourself if you think they're the only ones) is an unintended consequence of the welfare state. But it's exactly the kind of unintended consequence that libertarians complain about when these laws are proposed. And we're slammed for being heartless.

So, in the end, I just think it's kind of funny.

As I said, if this shit really burns you up, why not just make it illegal for companies to hire anyone on welfare. Wouldn't that pretty directly solve the problem?