Deaths in the USA

[Redfish]

well we do agree on one thing, overpopulation of our planet is the real problem. There are just too many people.
Why not focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies rather than on killing unborn human beings?

Wars, famines, and diseases used to limit the human population, but we have found ways to prevent those.

You act like we can't focus on two things at the same time.

Yes, let's focus on preventing unwanted pregnancies. Well, as I've said many times on this site, teaching safe sex and abstinence is proven to be the BEST way to achieve this. Teaching abstinence without safe sex is proven to be the WORST way to deal with this.

So, let's make sure all kids in the USA get comprehensive safe sex education. Oh, wait, the religious nut jobs don't want any mention of sex, so in the end you get far more problems.

But abortion is a manner in which we can also reduce the population of unwanted pregnancies. People have a big hang up about it, and I understand why. Religion has been around since the times when people wanted as many children as they could get. They might lose 80% of their kids and needed to keep pumping them out like there was no tomorrow, but life has changed, times have changed. Abortion isn't bad any more, because we simply don't need to keep overpopulating the world.

Abortion in the 83rd trimester sort of thing (go watch South Park and you'll get it) is not what I'm talking about here.

None of the schools or federal government's business…

So, abortion isn't the business of the federal government? Should it then be the business of state governments? Or should it be left to the consciences of the people who actually made the thing in the first place?

What about once a child is born, should the life then not be the business of the federal government?

It's a states issue... The federal government has zero morality and even less credibility on the issue.

All individual rights issues are a federal issue. That's where the Constitution is, at the federal level.

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

 

[Dr Grump]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

 

[Redfish]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

atheism is legal in this country. but so is freedom of religion. you are free to hold any beliefs that you want, the founders believed in God and that our basic human rights came from Him.

That's what they believed and wrote in our founding documents. That is historical fact.

 

[sealybobo]

If any woman gets pregnant, she should be free to go get a legal abortion. No matter her reasons

aren't you glad your mother didn't think that way?

Yup!

how about Obama's mother. white liberal female impregnated by a black man that she was not married to. perfect candidate for abortion, right?

No because she raised him right. But I wouldn't stop a young girl today in her situation from getting an abortion if she wanted one.

Would you have forced Ms. Obama to give birth?

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

And you think stoning women who get abortions is appropriate.

President Clinton it is then.

 

[Redfish]

aren't you glad your mother didn't think that way?

Yup!

how about Obama's mother. white liberal female impregnated by a black man that she was not married to. perfect candidate for abortion, right?

No because she raised him right. But I wouldn't stop a young girl today in her situation from getting an abortion if she wanted one.

Would you have forced Ms. Obama to give birth?

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

And you think stoning women who get abortions is appropriate.

President Clinton it is then.

of course not, fool. I never said anything close to that. WTF is wrong with you?

Oh, I remember, you support the hildebeast, the most corrupt person ever to run for president.

 

[sealybobo]

If any woman gets pregnant, she should be free to go get a legal abortion. No matter her reasons

aren't you glad your mother didn't think that way?

Yup!

how about Obama's mother. white liberal female impregnated by a black man that she was not married to. perfect candidate for abortion, right?

No because she raised him right. But I wouldn't stop a young girl today in her situation from getting an abortion if she wanted one.

Would you have forced Ms. Obama to give birth?

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

When I find out I'm pregnant and it's been a month, I think a woman has the right to get an abortion. That baby doesn't have any rights yet. Not until the 2nd trimester. It's my body and my choice. No one thinks of it as murder and I hope that doesn't change. I do however wish no one ever got an abortion. Not by force or outlawing it but by abstinence or effective birth control and an economy where people can afford to have and want kids.

Life isn't so precious that a woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want.

 

[sealybobo]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

atheism is legal in this country. but so is freedom of religion. you are free to hold any beliefs that you want, the founders believed in God and that our basic human rights came from Him.

That's what they believed and wrote in our founding documents. That is historical fact.

So what? My ancestors believed in Zeus. Should I?

 

[Redfish]

aren't you glad your mother didn't think that way?

Yup!

how about Obama's mother. white liberal female impregnated by a black man that she was not married to. perfect candidate for abortion, right?

No because she raised him right. But I wouldn't stop a young girl today in her situation from getting an abortion if she wanted one.

Would you have forced Ms. Obama to give birth?

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

When I find out I'm pregnant and it's been a month, I think a woman has the right to get an abortion. That baby doesn't have any rights yet. Not until the 2nd trimester. It's my body and my choice. No one thinks of it as murder and I hope that doesn't change. I do however wish no one ever got an abortion. Not by force or outlawing it but by abstinence or effective birth control and an economy where people can afford to have and want kids.

Life isn't so precious that a woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want.

Look, that's your opinion and you have the right to express it. I disagree and have the right to express my opinion just as you do.

We will never agree on this so I am done going in circles with you on it.

If you decide to kill your unborn child, you have to live with that decision for the rest of your life.

Mods, please close this thread, it has run its course.

 

[Redfish]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

atheism is legal in this country. but so is freedom of religion. you are free to hold any beliefs that you want, the founders believed in God and that our basic human rights came from Him.

That's what they believed and wrote in our founding documents. That is historical fact.

So what? My ancestors believed in Zeus. Should I?

your ancestors were into Greek mythology? from your posts I doubt that your ancestors believed in anything but their personal pleasure and convenience

 

[sealybobo]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

It certainly proves we are still primitive and superstitious.

Just imagine all the things 300 years ago those people didn't know. Cut them some slack. Redfish doesn't have that excuse. His problem is he was born yesterday

 

[sealybobo]

Yup!

how about Obama's mother. white liberal female impregnated by a black man that she was not married to. perfect candidate for abortion, right?

No because she raised him right. But I wouldn't stop a young girl today in her situation from getting an abortion if she wanted one.

Would you have forced Ms. Obama to give birth?

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

When I find out I'm pregnant and it's been a month, I think a woman has the right to get an abortion. That baby doesn't have any rights yet. Not until the 2nd trimester. It's my body and my choice. No one thinks of it as murder and I hope that doesn't change. I do however wish no one ever got an abortion. Not by force or outlawing it but by abstinence or effective birth control and an economy where people can afford to have and want kids.

Life isn't so precious that a woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want.

Look, that's your opinion and you have the right to express it. I disagree and have the right to express my opinion just as you do.

We will never agree on this so I am done going in circles with you on it.

If you decide to kill your unborn child, you have to live with that decision for the rest of your life.

Mods, please close this thread, it has run its course.

The three women on the supreme Court agree with me. Who are you? They agree to close the thread too. I won. Drops mic

 

[Redfish]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

It certainly proves we are still primitive and superstitious.

Just imagine all the things 300 years ago those people didn't know. Cut them some slack. Redfish doesn't have that excuse. His problem is he was born yesterday

yeah, and some things that were true 2000 years ago are true today. In many ways man has evolved, but in many ways we are just like we were 2000 years ago.

 

[Redfish]

how about Obama's mother. white liberal female impregnated by a black man that she was not married to. perfect candidate for abortion, right?

No because she raised him right. But I wouldn't stop a young girl today in her situation from getting an abortion if she wanted one.

Would you have forced Ms. Obama to give birth?

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

When I find out I'm pregnant and it's been a month, I think a woman has the right to get an abortion. That baby doesn't have any rights yet. Not until the 2nd trimester. It's my body and my choice. No one thinks of it as murder and I hope that doesn't change. I do however wish no one ever got an abortion. Not by force or outlawing it but by abstinence or effective birth control and an economy where people can afford to have and want kids.

Life isn't so precious that a woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want.

Look, that's your opinion and you have the right to express it. I disagree and have the right to express my opinion just as you do.

We will never agree on this so I am done going in circles with you on it.

If you decide to kill your unborn child, you have to live with that decision for the rest of your life.

Mods, please close this thread, it has run its course.

The three women on the supreme Court agree with me. Who are you? They agree to close the thread too. I won. Drops mic

three liberal women, one of them a lesbian. proves nothing. You lose. Drops mic!

 

[frigidweirdo]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

atheism is legal in this country. but so is freedom of religion. you are free to hold any beliefs that you want, the founders believed in God and that our basic human rights came from Him.

That's what they believed and wrote in our founding documents. That is historical fact.

And they also realized that people have their own views on things and they didn't want to impose their religious beliefs on others, as the king of England had done.

 

[frigidweirdo]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

It certainly proves we are still primitive and superstitious.

Just imagine all the things 300 years ago those people didn't know. Cut them some slack. Redfish doesn't have that excuse. His problem is he was born yesterday

yeah, and some things that were true 2000 years ago are true today. In many ways man has evolved, but in many ways we are just like we were 2000 years ago.

Yes, people still want to believe in things to ignore the reality of real life. We see it on this forum every day with the nonsense people come out with.

 

[Redfish]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

atheism is legal in this country. but so is freedom of religion. you are free to hold any beliefs that you want, the founders believed in God and that our basic human rights came from Him.

That's what they believed and wrote in our founding documents. That is historical fact.

And they also realized that people have their own views on things and they didn't want to impose their religious beliefs on others, as the king of England had done.

Yes, Yes, very true. But you hypocritical liberals want to impose your beliefs on the rest of us. THAT is what is wrong with the liberal ideology.

When a civilized society disagrees on the basics of right and wrong, they vote on it and the majority view prevails and is followed.

These issues should be decided by all of us, not 9 old farts in black robes. In many ways the federal government has become like King George in 1775.

 

[Redfish]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

It certainly proves we are still primitive and superstitious.

Just imagine all the things 300 years ago those people didn't know. Cut them some slack. Redfish doesn't have that excuse. His problem is he was born yesterday

yeah, and some things that were true 2000 years ago are true today. In many ways man has evolved, but in many ways we are just like we were 2000 years ago.

Yes, people still want to believe in things to ignore the reality of real life. We see it on this forum every day with the nonsense people come out with.

believing in God is not ignoring reality. believing in nothing is ignoring reality.

The Greeks, Romans, Mayans, Aztecs, and Egyptians lost their moral compass and their civilizations died. it seems like we are trying to follow their example.

 

[sealybobo]

No because she raised him right. But I wouldn't stop a young girl today in her situation from getting an abortion if she wanted one.

Would you have forced Ms. Obama to give birth?

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

When I find out I'm pregnant and it's been a month, I think a woman has the right to get an abortion. That baby doesn't have any rights yet. Not until the 2nd trimester. It's my body and my choice. No one thinks of it as murder and I hope that doesn't change. I do however wish no one ever got an abortion. Not by force or outlawing it but by abstinence or effective birth control and an economy where people can afford to have and want kids.

Life isn't so precious that a woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want.

Look, that's your opinion and you have the right to express it. I disagree and have the right to express my opinion just as you do.

We will never agree on this so I am done going in circles with you on it.

If you decide to kill your unborn child, you have to live with that decision for the rest of your life.

Mods, please close this thread, it has run its course.

The three women on the supreme Court agree with me. Who are you? They agree to close the thread too. I won. Drops mic

three liberal women, one of them a lesbian. proves nothing. You lose. Drops mic!

I care more what women say than a man

 

[sealybobo]

"endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights......" any idea where that comes from?

The declaration is not law. Nor should it be. Never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Something is given to people by an entity that doesn't even exist. And what are those inalienable rights? I want all the red M&Ms in the world. That is my 'inalienable' right. Beyond ridiculous.

atheism is legal in this country. but so is freedom of religion. you are free to hold any beliefs that you want, the founders believed in God and that our basic human rights came from Him.

That's what they believed and wrote in our founding documents. That is historical fact.

And they also realized that people have their own views on things and they didn't want to impose their religious beliefs on others, as the king of England had done.

Yes, Yes, very true. But you hypocritical liberals want to impose your beliefs on the rest of us. THAT is what is wrong with the liberal ideology.

When a civilized society disagrees on the basics of right and wrong, they vote on it and the majority view prevails and is followed.

These issues should be decided by all of us, not 9 old farts in black robes. In many ways the federal government has become like King George in 1775.

You have a vote. If you don't want an abortion don't get one. It's called free choice.

 

[Redfish]

that would not be up to me. But since the father was a muslim, he probably would have forced her to give birth, or he would have stoned her to death if she aborted.

what you libs ignore are the rights of the unborn human being. Have you seen an untrasound of a baby in the womb? How can you possibly say that is not a human being with the right to life?

When I find out I'm pregnant and it's been a month, I think a woman has the right to get an abortion. That baby doesn't have any rights yet. Not until the 2nd trimester. It's my body and my choice. No one thinks of it as murder and I hope that doesn't change. I do however wish no one ever got an abortion. Not by force or outlawing it but by abstinence or effective birth control and an economy where people can afford to have and want kids.

Life isn't so precious that a woman should be forced to have a baby she doesn't want.

Look, that's your opinion and you have the right to express it. I disagree and have the right to express my opinion just as you do.

We will never agree on this so I am done going in circles with you on it.

If you decide to kill your unborn child, you have to live with that decision for the rest of your life.

Mods, please close this thread, it has run its course.

The three women on the supreme Court agree with me. Who are you? They agree to close the thread too. I won. Drops mic

three liberal women, one of them a lesbian. proves nothing. You lose. Drops mic!

I care more what women say than a man

great, who cares what you think? you control nothing but your own mind. Do you think Kagan is concerned about getting pregnant? How about Ginsberg?

If the female view is to prevail, why do so many women oppose abortion as birth control?

You are out of touch, as are most liberals. So steeped in liberal garbage that you cannot see reality.