Defining "Liberalism"

[francoHFW]

OP- Highest form of capitalism

 

[Foxfyre]

Rabid Rightie defines Liberals as commies.

SOP.

But true.

I'm quite sure plenty of Liberal Looney's will gladly define the conservatives in the same manner.

Repeating my earlier post:

Considering that modern day American liberals are generally agreed that:
1. The rich should pay more so that the poor will have more
2. It is right and good that government take from some and give to others.
3. It is necessary for government to order society and regulate the work place, wages, products, education, and living conditions
4. Justice demands control over speech, attitudes towards disadvantaged people, and punishment for those who don't toe the political correctness bible
5. Property should be more communal than private

. . . can anybody honestly say that these are not components of Marx's method for wresting power from the haves and transferring to the have nots until his vision of utopian communism is achieved?

In contrast:

Conservatives believe charity should be a matter of consicence and choice, not something done by government.

Conservatives believes it violates every principle the Constitution was founded on to take property from one citizen and give that property to another.

Conservatives believe the Founders intended the federal government to secure our rights and then leave us alone to live our lives and form whatever sort of society we wished to have. Such is the very definition of liberty.

Conservatives believe that political correctness is a scourge of liberalism and the primary method of government to pull off a bloodless coup and deny all concepts of unalienable rights.

Conservatives believe that property is an unalienable right and should be untouchable by the federal government so long as nobody's unalieanble rights are violated.

Very different from what liberals preach don't you think?

(Note: Both 'liberal' and 'conservative' here are used in the context of how most people define them in America at the current time.)

 

[PoliticalChic]

JFK'S "HEALTH CARE" SPEECH FROM MADISON SQUARE GARDEN (MAY 20, 1962) - YouTube

Get a clue dimwit, his "Medicare" bill was defeated by the Senate in 1962. So while he tried, he failed. Thus no implementation. His form of Medicare was not socialist either. The cost at the time was simply too steep, which was around $600 million at the time.

Really? Do tell

Inform us what part of JFKs Medicare bill was not socialist while Obamacare is

Psst....just between us, aren't you embarrassed that you tried to skate by with this fib: "Your writing style is unreadable."


C'mon......truth.

 

[rdean]

Liberals are only a small part of the Democratic Party.

Confederates make up the bulk of the 90% white Republican Party.

 

[NYcarbineer]

JFK was more liberal than Barack Obama, and at least as hated by the Right as is our current president.

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[TemplarKormac]

JFK was more liberal than Barack Obama, and at least as hated by the Right as is our current president.

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would you care to read the links you post, Carbine?

A Medical Health Bill for the Aged (later known as Medicare) was proposed, but Congress failed to enact it.

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rightwinger]

JFK was more liberal than Barack Obama, and at least as hated by the Right as is our current president.

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The rightwing called JFK a commie while he was alive......same with MLK

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did I provide the link that was the source of everything between the quotation marks, or are you a fool?


Both 'yeses'?
OK, then, no argument.

I am referring to your OP as a whole, which is largely, at best, a paraphrase, at worst, plagiarism, of George Will's article last week in the NY Post.

I love the opportunity to mash a verbal cream pie in your puss.
Here it comes.

1. pla·gia·rism
ˈplājəˌrizəm/Submit
noun
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

Since I correctly used quotation marks and a clickable link for the source....

...that makes you a lying moron.
True?



2. "...of George Will's article last week in the NY Post"
Clearly the Will article was published by numerous outlets.

It takes a ratified level of moron to demand that I list every one of his syndications.

And...another new word for you:

Syndication: An agency that sells articles, features, or photographs for publication in a number of newspapers or periodicals simultaneously.




I'd call you a moron again, but the official moron association feels that including you brings their level down.....

You cited Will as the source of one quote. Buried in your OP.

Are you claiming that NONE of your OP involves any original thought on your part?

 

[TemplarKormac]

JFK was more liberal than Barack Obama, and at least as hated by the Right as is our current president.

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While JFK sought to further our goals in space exploration, Obama decided to end the Shuttle Program. Funny, I was right all this time. JFK put people on the moon, Obama puts people in the poor house.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While JFK sought to further our goals in space exploration, Obama decided to end the Shuttle Program. Funny, I was right all this time. JFK put people on the moon, Obama puts people in the poor house.

That was retarded the first time you posted it. Now it's retarded and redundant.

 

[rightwinger]

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While JFK sought to further our goals in space exploration, Obama decided to end the Shuttle Program. Funny, I was right all this time. JFK put people on the moon, Obama puts people in the poor house.

That Shuttle Program was older than you are. I haven't seen many Presidents over the last 30 years propose a replacement

 

[NYcarbineer]

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would you care to read the links you post, Carbine?

A Medical Health Bill for the Aged (later known as Medicare) was proposed, but Congress failed to enact it.

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What?! That JFK supported Medicare in 1961 somehow proves he WASN"T a liberal??

Are you insane?

 

[BlindBoo]

But true.

I'm quite sure plenty of Liberal Looney's will gladly define the conservatives in the same manner.

Did ya' see post #9?

Ever hear this: "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands."

Say 'quack.'

Post #9 is more of the same "Quackery"

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[ClosedCaption]

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.





A detailed exposition of that theme can be found in James Piereson of the Manhattan Institute's 2007 book “Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism”

He showed how that moment, the assassination, gave Liberals the opportunity to turn on communism, ...or on America.
Their choice is clear today.


1. "... (concerning Lee Harvey Oswald) “He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It’s — it had to be some silly little Communist.”— Jacqueline Kennedy

2. She thought it robbed his (JFK's) death of any meaning. But a meaning would be quickly manufactured to serve a new politics. First, however, an inconvenient fact — Oswald — had to be expunged from the story.

a. .... 24 months after the assassination, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., the Kennedys’ kept historian, published a thousand-page history of the thousand-day presidency without mentioning the assassin.






3. ... The transformation of a murder by a marginal man into a killing by a sick culture began instantly — before Kennedy was buried. The afternoon of the assassination, Chief Justice Earl Warren ascribed Kennedy’s “martyrdom” to “the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots.”

a. The next day, James Reston, the New York Times luminary, wrote in a front-page story that Kennedy was a victim of a “streak of violence in the American character,” noting especially “the violence of the extremists on the right.”

[Of course, Liberals are still running with that obfuscation today, with respect to the Tea Party]

b. Never mind that adjacent to Reston’s article was a Times report on Oswald’s Communist convictions and associations. A Soviet spokesman, too, assigned “moral responsibility” for Kennedy’s death to “Barry Goldwater and other extremists on the right.”

[Liberals and Soviet spokesmen....on the same page]






4. .... a Times editorial, “Spiral of Hate,” identified Kennedy’s killer as a “spirit”: The Times deplored “the shame all America must bear for the spirit of madness and hate that struck down” Kennedy. The editorialists were, presumably, immune to this spirit. The new liberalism-as-paternalism would be about correcting other people’s defects..... Kennedy was killed by America’s social climate, whose sickness required “punitive liberalism.”

[ "... Obama Is Making Shutdown As Painful As Possible" http://news92fm.com/390223/congressman-olson-says-obama-is-making-shutdown-as-painful-as-possible/]






5. The bullets of Nov. 22, 1963, altered the nation’s trajectory less by killing a president than by giving birth to a destructive narrative about America.....

6. Punitive liberalism preached the necessity of national repentance for a history of crimes and misdeeds that had produced a present so poisonous that it murdered a president.... Liberalism would become the doctrine of grievance groups owed redress for cumulative inherited injuries inflicted by the nation’s tawdry history, toxic present and ominous future.

[ Obama: "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."]

7. As Piereson writes, the retreat of liberalism from a doctrine of American affirmation left a void that would be filled by Ronald Reagan 17 years after the assassination." George F. Will: When liberals became scolds - The Washington Post





Whitaker Chamber's point proven.

Liberalism continued down the path blazed by Franklin Roosevelt....seeing nothing worthy of confronting nor combating in communism.



Just as Oswald was erased as the central element of the assassination, so, too, was the glorious history of this great nation.
Instead, it turned the battle against a non-existent enemy of freedom and liberty, ...America.


Liberalism: seeking evil in America the way pigs seek truffles.

Typical simple minded, black and white thinking from the right wing. "We are good. They are bad. There is no inbetween."

I'll be honest, it astounds me how devoid so many conservatives are of critical thinking skills.

Seriously, do you all think that us liberals get together and have a fucking monthly meeting to decide what we all believe and agree on? Every liberal in America? You must because that is the only way this childish logic would make any fucking sense.

Liberals are individuals like anyone else. We all have different opinions and levels of intellectual reasoning. WE DON'T ALL THINK THE SAME WAY. We aren't robots for Christs sakes. Why this simple logic escapes you just blows my mind. I guess its just easier to demonize anyone who disagrees with you, huh?

Do yourself a favor and think critically for once about political issues. Otherwise you will always lack a basic understanding of them.

Lol you group everyone on the right into a single group then go on to cry others do that same thing to you.

Serves as even more evidence that hypocrite is just another word for liberal/progressive.

 

[Freemason9]

I thought PC had been banished forever.

I can see why you'd wish that.

The hallmark of a Liberal: marginalize, silence, 'banish,' alternative viewpoints.


Imagine how different your post would be if you had the ability to deal with opposition voices.



Coward.

I don't necessarily "wish" it, because your posts are entertainingly bizarre and I like that part. You are a hell of a troll, though, and I know that some message boards limit trollish behavior.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought PC had been banished forever.

Obviously her hiatus as a an in-patient at the Manhattan Institute for the Bewildered did not produce the therapeutic benefits one might anticipate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Rabid Rightie defines Liberals as commies.

SOP.

And of course the most timely example of liberalism being Communism is the insistence by liberal politicians in Washington that American consumers not be deprived of their opportunity to shop for health insurance in an open competitive market of private sector health insurance businesses.

1. Glad you brought that up.
Your ignorance plays right into my hands.


2. Obama wasn't the first Bolshevik to support socialized medicine.
For context, there was Henry Sigerist:
"He devoted himself to the study of history of medicine. Socialized Medicine in the Soviet Union (1937), and History of Medicine were among his most important works. He emerged as a major spokesman for "compulsory health insurance". ...He attacked the American Medical Association because of his conflicting views on socialized medicine." Henry E. Sigerist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


a. And, Sigerist was one of the apologists for Stalin, including his state-engineered famine in the Ukraine. 7 million perished (The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33).


b. Sigerist "shared with the architects of Soviet health policy under Stalin an outlook best described as medical totalitarianism. He really believed that humanity would be better off if every individual were under the medical supervision of the state from cradle to grave....[and] Sigerist's belief in the necessity for state control over all aspects of medicine ultimately made him an apologist for state control over most aspects of human life."
Fee and Brown, eds. "Making Medical History: The Life and Times of Henry E. Sigerist," p. 252

Does he sound just like a certain President??
I mean....really.



3. That's quite a jump, from Stalin to Obama, you say. How did it happen? Well, let's admit that the ascension of Barack Obama proves the ideological victory of Marxian beliefs. Perhaps the greatest factor was, as historian Robert Conquest explains it, that the West, unlike the USSR, "did not have a universal and exclusively defined mind-set." They attacked, and won, in the universities, the media, pop culture, the arts, and even Wall Street.
Robert Conquest, "Reflections on a Ravaged Century," p. 155.


a. The details of the attack involve the writings of Antonio Gramsci, the invasion by the 'Frankfurt School, the early attacks by Progressives, and the shredding of the Constitution by FDR....and lets not forget Saul Alinsky. All of flowed from the wellspring of Marxism, and flooded, saturated, and finally, warped, Western Civilization.


Any truth to the rumor that this tune is on your iPod?


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And Hitler supported having a strong military. Do you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am referring to your OP as a whole, which is largely, at best, a paraphrase, at worst, plagiarism, of George Will's article last week in the NY Post.

I love the opportunity to mash a verbal cream pie in your puss.
Here it comes.

1. pla·gia·rism
ˈplājəˌrizəm/Submit
noun
the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

Since I correctly used quotation marks and a clickable link for the source....

...that makes you a lying moron.
True?



2. "...of George Will's article last week in the NY Post"
Clearly the Will article was published by numerous outlets.

It takes a ratified level of moron to demand that I list every one of his syndications.

And...another new word for you:

Syndication: An agency that sells articles, features, or photographs for publication in a number of newspapers or periodicals simultaneously.




I'd call you a moron again, but the official moron association feels that including you brings their level down.....

You cited Will as the source of one quote. Buried in your OP.

Are you claiming that NONE of your OP involves any original thought on your part?

Are you claiming that I selected the article at random?



"You cited Will as the source of one quote. Buried in your OP."
Totally false.

 

[PixieStix]

Defining "Liberalism"?

Hypocrisy

 

[TemplarKormac]

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would you care to read the links you post, Carbine?

A Medical Health Bill for the Aged (later known as Medicare) was proposed, but Congress failed to enact it.

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What?! That JFK supported Medicare in 1961 somehow proves he WASN"T a liberal??

Are you insane?

When did I ever claim he "wasn't a liberal"? Are YOU insane?