Democrats Fast-Track Bill To Override Hobby Lobby Decision

[JoeB131]

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The idea that your health care should be up to your employer in the first place is the mindset of a slave. As far as unions go, go for it. As long as both sides have the right to say "no thanks" and look elsewhere to meet their needs, I have no problem with unions. It's the current state of labor laws that makes unions dysfunctional.

Oh, look, the LIbertardian viewpoint that any kind of rule is "slavery".

Hey, I want to take all you Libertards and ship your asses to Somalia. They have no law, lots of guns, crazy religion. It'd be paradise for you guys if it were for all the Negroes.

What makes unions dysfunctional is that we let the rich off their leashes again.

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

 

[dblack]

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The idea that your health care should be up to your employer in the first place is the mindset of a slave. As far as unions go, go for it. As long as both sides have the right to say "no thanks" and look elsewhere to meet their needs, I have no problem with unions. It's the current state of labor laws that makes unions dysfunctional.

Oh, look, the LIbertardian viewpoint that any kind of rule is "slavery".

Hey, I want to take all you Libertards and ship your asses to Somalia. They have no law, lots of guns, crazy religion. It'd be paradise for you guys if it were for all the Negroes.

What makes unions dysfunctional is that we let the rich off their leashes again.

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

HA.... Somalia!!!!!

I win.

 

[JoeB131]

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The idea that your health care should be up to your employer in the first place is the mindset of a slave. As far as unions go, go for it. As long as both sides have the right to say "no thanks" and look elsewhere to meet their needs, I have no problem with unions. It's the current state of labor laws that makes unions dysfunctional.

Oh, look, the LIbertardian viewpoint that any kind of rule is "slavery".

Hey, I want to take all you Libertards and ship your asses to Somalia. They have no law, lots of guns, crazy religion. It'd be paradise for you guys if it were for all the Negroes.

What makes unions dysfunctional is that we let the rich off their leashes again.

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

HA.... Somalia!!!!!

I win.

No, you don't.

Frankly, the problem with the GOP is that it went from a party that was for common sense, efficient and fiscally responsible government to one that panders to the Libertarian Hippies and Religious Nutbags while spending like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Oh, look, the LIbertardian viewpoint that any kind of rule is "slavery".

Hey, I want to take all you Libertards and ship your asses to Somalia. They have no law, lots of guns, crazy religion. It'd be paradise for you guys if it were for all the Negroes.

What makes unions dysfunctional is that we let the rich off their leashes again.

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

HA.... Somalia!!!!!

I win.

No, you don't.

Frankly, the problem with the GOP is that it went from a party that was for common sense, efficient and fiscally responsible government to one that panders to the Libertarian Hippies and Religious Nutbags while spending like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave.

And you damned democrats went from the party of common sense to the Third Reich. What the hell is your point?

 

[dblack]

Oh, look, the LIbertardian viewpoint that any kind of rule is "slavery".

Hey, I want to take all you Libertards and ship your asses to Somalia. They have no law, lots of guns, crazy religion. It'd be paradise for you guys if it were for all the Negroes.

What makes unions dysfunctional is that we let the rich off their leashes again.

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

HA.... Somalia!!!!!

I win.

No, you don't.

Yeah.. "Somalia" translates to "I got nuthin."

Frankly, the problem with the GOP is that it went from a party that was for common sense, efficient and fiscally responsible government to one that panders to the Libertarian Hippies and Religious Nutbags while spending like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave.

Agreed. The Rethugs are just as bad as the Democrats.

 

[dblack]

The idea that your health care should be up to your employer in the first place is the mindset of a slave. As far as unions go, go for it. As long as both sides have the right to say "no thanks" and look elsewhere to meet their needs, I have no problem with unions. It's the current state of labor laws that makes unions dysfunctional.

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

Still the mindset of the slave. You see yourself as 'owned', and your owners as responsible for your well-being.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

strawman argument. The government makes these decisions based on the advice of doctors.

And they aren't doing it because they consulted a Sky Fairy

Prove that they consulted doctors before deciding that it was illegal for doctors to prescribe needed pain medications or forever be branded an authoritarian hack. They made the decision on the basis of the war on drugs, not doctors. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of the situation would know that.

While you are at it feel free to explain how asking you why you don't say something is a straw man argument. That should be interesting exercise of your endless ability to ignore reality.

Maybe you ought to specify which policy you are babbling about, exactly.

Because, honestly, trying to chase down all your straw men is a waste of my time.

Try to focus - Hobby Lobby should be allowed to deny their employees certain treatments because- why exactly?

The policy of sending doctors to prison for treating people with chronic pain properly.

Try to focus, Hobby Lobby is not denying anyone anything, the government is.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You have a reading comprehension problem don't cha? Try re reading the part where I wrote Viagra or any other form of artificial hardon.

Would you have an issue with a woman CEO taking this position or not? That is the ONLY question.

Can a woman CEO refuse to pay for artificial hard on medications for her men employees?
Yes or no?

I don't have a reading comprehension, but you must.
You are arguing like everything was taken off the table and the women has no choice....but that really isn't the case....is it?
They have 16 choices to choose from. Your trying to make a point by taking everything off the table for the guy. You're arguing apples to oranges....I was arguing apples to apples.
You can't argue apples to apples and make the premise sound. Too bad for you.

You ignorant shit. What does the number of choices have to do with anything?

This is ALL about religious beliefs. It has nothing to do with "birth control" except in the sense that the Hobby Lobby CEO had a RELIGIOUS problem with certain kinds of birth control.

Just like my hypothetical woman CEO would have a RELIGIOUS problem with paying for ANY kind of get it up drugs.

Exact same comparison. Has everything to do with religious beliefs and nothing to do with variety of drugs to choose from.

We are supposed to be outraged because...?

 

[JoeB131]

HA.... Somalia!!!!!

I win.

No, you don't.

Frankly, the problem with the GOP is that it went from a party that was for common sense, efficient and fiscally responsible government to one that panders to the Libertarian Hippies and Religious Nutbags while spending like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave.

And you damned democrats went from the party of common sense to the Third Reich. What the hell is your point?

really? And you base this on what, other than your desire to say, "No, You Are!"

The fact you can post this shit and Obama hasn't shipped your ass off to a concentration camp tells me that we are nowhere near "the Third Reich".

 

[JoeB131]

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The policy of sending doctors to prison for treating people with chronic pain properly.

Try to focus, Hobby Lobby is not denying anyone anything, the government is.

Obviously, they weren't treating their patients properly if a jury of 12 of their peers decided that they were abusing their licenses.

Again, do you have a specific case you are citing here? or is this just something you picked up from your tinfoil hat?

 

[JoeB131]

The idea that your health care should be up to your employer in the first place is the mindset of a slave. As far as unions go, go for it. As long as both sides have the right to say "no thanks" and look elsewhere to meet their needs, I have no problem with unions. It's the current state of labor laws that makes unions dysfunctional.

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

Still the mindset of the slave. You see yourself as 'owned', and your owners as responsible for your well-being.

No, I see it as being a member of a civilized society. We vote. Majority rules. If I don't like it, I make my best case to everyone else why it should be changed, but I abide by their decisions if they don't.

We've had two elections on ObamaCare. It won both.

You guys couldnt' discuss this issue without trying to tack adjectives onto the word "Rape" and calling women "sluts" because they thought they should get the treatment they had already paid for.

 

[deltex1]

Senate Democrats are expediting legislation that would override the Supreme Court's decision in the Hobby Lobby case and compel for-profit employers to cover the full range of contraception for their employees, as required by the Affordable Care Act.

The bill, which is co-authored by Sens. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), would ban for-profit companies from refusing to cover any federally guaranteed health benefits for religious reasons, including all 20 forms of contraception detailed in the Affordable Care Act. It would preserve the contraception mandate's current exemption for churches and accommodation for non-profit religious organizations, such as certain hospitals and schools.

A Senate aide told HuffPost that the bill will be introduced as soon as Tuesday night and go directly to the Senate floor as early as next week, without being considered in committee.

"The U.S. Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision opened the door to unprecedented corporate intrusion into our private lives. Coloradans understand that women should never have to ask their bosses for a permission slip to access common forms of birth control or other critical health services," Udall said in a statement. "My common-sense proposal will keep women's private health decisions out of corporate board rooms, because your boss shouldn't be able to dictate what is best for you and your family."

MORE: Democrats Fast-Track Bill To Override Hobby Lobby Decision

Sounds good. Get it done.

Just how fast is that track, Tonto?

 

[Andylusion]

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

Still the mindset of the slave. You see yourself as 'owned', and your owners as responsible for your well-being.

No, I see it as being a member of a civilized society. We vote. Majority rules. If I don't like it, I make my best case to everyone else why it should be changed, but I abide by their decisions if they don't.

We've had two elections on ObamaCare. It won both.

You guys couldnt' discuss this issue without trying to tack adjectives onto the word "Rape" and calling women "sluts" because they thought they should get the treatment they had already paid for.

Majority rules... right. So we can just vote ourselves everyone else's stuff. We can vote that minorities are slave property. We can vote that murder is fine, if it's a dumb leftard idiot on a forum. Majority rules right?

We are not a nation of majority rule. We are a representative Republic. YOU are a tyrannical nightmare, too ignorant of your own position to be on this forum.

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[Two Thumbs]

Senate Democrats are expediting legislation that would override the Supreme Court's decision in the Hobby Lobby case and compel for-profit employers to cover the full range of contraception for their employees, as required by the Affordable Care Act.

The bill, which is co-authored by Sens. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), would ban for-profit companies from refusing to cover any federally guaranteed health benefits for religious reasons, including all 20 forms of contraception detailed in the Affordable Care Act. It would preserve the contraception mandate's current exemption for churches and accommodation for non-profit religious organizations, such as certain hospitals and schools.

A Senate aide told HuffPost that the bill will be introduced as soon as Tuesday night and go directly to the Senate floor as early as next week, without being considered in committee.

"The U.S. Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision opened the door to unprecedented corporate intrusion into our private lives. Coloradans understand that women should never have to ask their bosses for a permission slip to access common forms of birth control or other critical health services," Udall said in a statement. "My common-sense proposal will keep women's private health decisions out of corporate board rooms, because your boss shouldn't be able to dictate what is best for you and your family."

MORE: Democrats Fast-Track Bill To Override Hobby Lobby Decision

Sounds good. Get it done.

I just love to see tyranny in action.

Dems don't like the SC decision, fuck them, lets re-word our tyranny and force everyone to fucking bow down.

And then they have the fucking gall to be upset when we call them anti-constitutionalist

 

[dblack]

But to the point, I agree. It shouldn't be up to my employer. We should have a national standard of what constitutes health coverage, which is what ObamaCare is.

Still the mindset of the slave. You see yourself as 'owned', and your owners as responsible for your well-being.

No, I see it as being a member of a civilized society. We vote. Majority rules. If I don't like it, I make my best case to everyone else why it should be changed, but I abide by their decisions if they don't.

So, you're "owned" by the majority. Whatever. "Majority rules" is not civilized society. It's been rejected by every enlightened society as mob rule, and rightly so. A civilized society protects its minorities from the whim of the majority.

 

[JoeB131]

Still the mindset of the slave. You see yourself as 'owned', and your owners as responsible for your well-being.

No, I see it as being a member of a civilized society. We vote. Majority rules. If I don't like it, I make my best case to everyone else why it should be changed, but I abide by their decisions if they don't.

We've had two elections on ObamaCare. It won both.

You guys couldnt' discuss this issue without trying to tack adjectives onto the word "Rape" and calling women "sluts" because they thought they should get the treatment they had already paid for.

Majority rules... right. So we can just vote ourselves everyone else's stuff. We can vote that minorities are slave property. We can vote that murder is fine, if it's a dumb leftard idiot on a forum. Majority rules right?

We are not a nation of majority rule. We are a representative Republic. YOU are a tyrannical nightmare, too ignorant of your own position to be on this forum.

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God, are you like some kind of fucking retard, or what?

Obviously, majority rule has to be tempered by the rights of the minority and the individual, but there ARE balances.

Letting a few rich religious assholes tell women what kind of birth control is not a reasonable balance.

 

[JoeB131]

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So, you're "owned" by the majority. Whatever. "Majority rules" is not civilized society. It's been rejected by every enlightened society as mob rule, and rightly so. A civilized society protects its minorities from the whim of the majority.

But only to a degree. No one wants to be held hostage to the crazy non-conformist nut.

Which is why we have laws.

Again, you know, Somalia Beckons. I'm sure you'd be happy there.

 

[dblack]

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So, you're "owned" by the majority. Whatever. "Majority rules" is not civilized society. It's been rejected by every enlightened society as mob rule, and rightly so. A civilized society protects its minorities from the whim of the majority.

But only to a degree. No one wants to be held hostage to the crazy non-conformist nut.

Which is why we have laws.

Not sure what you mean. We have laws to protect our rights. Not to inflict the will of the majority on everyone else.

Again, you know, Somalia Beckons. I'm sure you'd be happy there.

Giving up already?

 

[sameech]

Senate Democrats are expediting legislation that would override the Supreme Court's decision in the Hobby Lobby case and compel for-profit employers to cover the full range of contraception for their employees, as required by the Affordable Care Act.

The bill, which is co-authored by Sens. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), would ban for-profit companies from refusing to cover any federally guaranteed health benefits for religious reasons, including all 20 forms of contraception detailed in the Affordable Care Act. It would preserve the contraception mandate's current exemption for churches and accommodation for non-profit religious organizations, such as certain hospitals and schools.

A Senate aide told HuffPost that the bill will be introduced as soon as Tuesday night and go directly to the Senate floor as early as next week, without being considered in committee.

"The U.S. Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby decision opened the door to unprecedented corporate intrusion into our private lives. Coloradans understand that women should never have to ask their bosses for a permission slip to access common forms of birth control or other critical health services," Udall said in a statement. "My common-sense proposal will keep women's private health decisions out of corporate board rooms, because your boss shouldn't be able to dictate what is best for you and your family."

MORE: Democrats Fast-Track Bill To Override Hobby Lobby Decision

Sounds good. Get it done.

The congress cannot override the Supreme Court. All they are fast-tracking is some red-herring to desperately try to take the focus of the fall mid-term elections off the PPACA since that is what swing voters are indicating is their big issue for fall.

Kind of sad really. I used to believe that the democratic party had some values other than winning for solely the sake of punishing their opponents.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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The policy of sending doctors to prison for treating people with chronic pain properly.

Try to focus, Hobby Lobby is not denying anyone anything, the government is.

Obviously, they weren't treating their patients properly if a jury of 12 of their peers decided that they were abusing their licenses.

Again, do you have a specific case you are citing here? or is this just something you picked up from your tinfoil hat?

Obviously, because the government has never managed to ever, in the entire history of the United States, railroad somebody anyone into prison.

Does these look like tinfoil hat websites to your authoritarian personality?

https://www.zotero.org/lex/items/itemKey/7CCN8E9V

Bioethics Forum blog - Criminalizing the Prescribing of Opioids: Where Should We Draw the Line?

This one is obviously a tin foil hat website.

https://ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physic...-topic/criminalization-medical-judgments.page

So much for your assertion that the government actually consulted doctors before passing the CSA.

Resources - Title 21 United States Code (USC) Controlled Substances Act - Section 801-971

But, please, keep telling me how trustworthy the government is because all it cares about is the people it serves, I enjoy laughing at you.