Democrats Have Made Common Cause With Neocons By Baiting Russia...

[Dschrute3]

Russia has an annual Defense Budget of $47 Billion. Meanwhile, the US has an annual Defense Budget of $700 Billion. Then include NATO nations' militaries. The US also has 700 bases worldwide. Russia has just 3. So, it's not even close. Russia is no threat to the US. This stupid Warmongering against Russia needs to end.

Is any country a threat to the United States?

Obviously, no.

So we should just ignore what Russia, North Korea, China, Iran and Iran do?

Or should we react when a country tries to influence our election, or launches ICMB's or tries to control vital sea lanes?

Don't ignore, but don't obsess and overreact either. There is no nation on earth that poses a credible threat to the US. There's no one even close in terms of economic and military power. Russia and China combined, are no match for the US. Even they know that. And Iran is completely contained. It has no chance of winning a conflict with the US.

So let's calm down and not overreact. The US is the only Super Power in the world. These 'threats' are being ridiculously overblown. Any future attacks on the US will come from within the US. They'll be carried out by Jihadists who got in by way of insane US Immigration Policies. Many have forgotten 9/11. And that's a tragic mistake. There are no credible external threats to the US. However, there are some pretty serious internal threats. I would focus on that, rather than pushing for war with Russia, Iran, and China.

 

[Dschrute3]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

 

[AntonToo]

Democrats baiting Russia???

Was that before or after Putin's administration annexed part of Ukraine, hacked DNC + Podesta and publicized their emails possibly tipping election in Trump's favor?

Russia needs another round of sanctions for their efforts, if neo-cons agree then that's just fine by Democrats.

 

[Dschrute3]

Democrats baiting Russia???

Was that before or after Putin's administration hacked DNC & Podesta and publicized their emails possibly tipping election in Trump's favor?

Russia is no threat to the US. It doesn't want war. It knows it can't possibly win a war with the US. So all this Warmongering is ridiculous. Americans should be much more worried about internal threats. There are no credible external threats to the US.

 

[bendog]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

 

[AntonToo]

Democrats baiting Russia???

Was that before or after Putin's administration hacked DNC & Podesta and publicized their emails possibly tipping election in Trump's favor?

Russia is no threat to the US. It doesn't want war. It knows it can't possibly win a war with the US. So all this Warmongering is ridiculous. Americans should be much more worried about domestic threats. There are no credible external threats to the US.

WAR? What war?

They earned themselves economic sanctions and that's what we are doing.

 

[Dschrute3]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

 

[AntonToo]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

Coup was caused less by US/Western countries (who of course want pro-western Ukraine) than Russian backed Ukranian government.

Ukrainians were not coerced into rebellion, they chose to overthrow Kremlin backed puppet government when it tried to crack down on the protesting of it's abandonment of EU deal.

 

[bendog]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

No I get it. Putin was not going to see Ukraine in a EU trade pact, and having decided that he took the Ukraine in a Soviet style invasion of a smaller neighbor.

The majority of Ukrainians didn't want to be in Russian trade block, and they rebelled against an upopular Putin stooge.

I don't think Putin will ever leave E. Ukraine or Crimea, but hopefully sanctions will be permanent. Of course Putins pussy in in the WH so who knows.

 

[Syriusly]

[ They'll be carried out by Jihadists who got in by way of insane US Immigration Policies. Many have forgotten 9/11. And that's a tragic mistake. There are no credible external threats to the US. However, there are some pretty serious internal threats. I would focus on that, rather than pushing for war with Russia, Iran, and China.

Well no one is pushing war with Russia, Iran or China.

'insane U.S. immigration Policies'? Many have forgotten 9/11?

Who were the 9/11 attackers?
Fifteen of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt, and Lebanon.[1] T

Who came to the United States on tourist, student or business visa's.

Not a single one of them was an 'immigrant' or would be prevented to coming to the United States by Trump's aborted travel ban.

 

[Dschrute3]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

Coup was caused less by US/Western countries (who of course want pro-western Ukraine) than Russian backed Ukranian government.

Ukrainians were not coerced into rebellion, they chose to overthrow Kremlin backed puppet government when it tried to crack down on the protesting of it's abandonment of EU deal.

American thinking can be so bizarre. A Democratically-elected leader is a 'Puppet.' But the criminals who seized power illegally, are somehow the 'Good Guys.' So now Kiev has an illegal US/West Puppet Government.

Man, all this meddling just gets crazier & crazier. Ukraine as we used to know it, is gone forever. And the US/West played a major role in that happening. How many more countries are we gonna meddle in?

 

[Syriusly]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

We can always rely upon you to provide the Kremlin's talking points.

 

[AntonToo]

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

Coup was caused less by US/Western countries (who of course want pro-western Ukraine) than Russian backed Ukranian government.

Ukrainians were not coerced into rebellion, they chose to overthrow Kremlin backed puppet government when it tried to crack down on the protesting of it's abandonment of EU deal.

American thinking can be so bizarre. A Democratically-elected leader is a 'Puppet.' But the criminals who seized power illegally, are somehow the 'Good Guys.' So now Kiev has an illegal US/West Puppet Government. Oh boy, all this meddling just gets crazier & crazier. Ukraine as we used to know it, is gone forever. And the US/West played a major role in that happening.

There is validity to the criticism that Ukranian government got installed by coup instead of standard political process. America and other western countries certainly did not advocate that.

HOWEVER, none of that justified land grabbing by Russia.

 

[Dschrute3]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

No I get it. Putin was not going to see Ukraine in a EU trade pact, and having decided that he took the Ukraine in a Soviet style invasion of a smaller neighbor.

The majority of Ukrainians didn't want to be in Russian trade block, and they rebelled against an upopular Putin stooge.

I don't think Putin will ever leave E. Ukraine or Crimea, but hopefully sanctions will be permanent. Of course Putins pussy in in the WH so who knows.

Russian speaking citizens no longer want to be a part of Ukraine. They fully support separation. The current illegal US/Western-backed Government has been brutal to them. Thousands have been imprisoned and killed. I can't blame them for wanting to separate.

 

[AntonToo]

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

No I get it. Putin was not going to see Ukraine in a EU trade pact, and having decided that he took the Ukraine in a Soviet style invasion of a smaller neighbor.

The majority of Ukrainians didn't want to be in Russian trade block, and they rebelled against an upopular Putin stooge.

I don't think Putin will ever leave E. Ukraine or Crimea, but hopefully sanctions will be permanent. Of course Putins pussy in in the WH so who knows.

Russian speaking citizens no longer want to be a part of Ukraine. They fully support separation. The current illegal US/Western-backed Government has been brutal to them. Thousands have been imprisoned and killed. I can't blame them for wanting to separate.

here is a crazy idea - if they like Russia so much more than Ukraine they should just MOVE THERE.

God knows over-population is a not exactly a problem in Russia.

 

[Dschrute3]

[ They'll be carried out by Jihadists who got in by way of insane US Immigration Policies. Many have forgotten 9/11. And that's a tragic mistake. There are no credible external threats to the US. However, there are some pretty serious internal threats. I would focus on that, rather than pushing for war with Russia, Iran, and China.

Well no one is pushing war with Russia, Iran or China.

'insane U.S. immigration Policies'? Many have forgotten 9/11?

Who were the 9/11 attackers?
Fifteen of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia, and the others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt, and Lebanon.[1] T

Who came to the United States on tourist, student or business visa's.

Not a single one of them was an 'immigrant' or would be prevented to coming to the United States by Trump's aborted travel ban.

Just pointing out that Americans better worry more about internal threats. There are no current credible external threats to the US. Any horrific attacks are gonna come from within the US. Our Immigration System is a nightmare.

 

[Dschrute3]

When US Representative Maxine Waters (D-CA) attacked President Trump's supposed relationship to Russian President Putin -- "he is wrapping his arms around Putin" -- she exposed more than she intended. Her shocking ignorance of the basic facts of what is happening in Syria (she couldn't remember Aleppo) and in Ukraine (she confused Crimea with Korea) let out a little-known secret about your Representatives: they most often know no more about an issue than the bullet points handed them five minutes before an event by a staffer, or more frequently by their Party leadership.



'Democrats Have Made Common Cause with Neocons by Baiting Russia'

STOP PICKING ON TRUMP/PUTIN CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING TERRITORY FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH TANKS

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

We can always rely upon you to provide the Kremlin's talking points.

Just presenting the whole story. Unfortunately, most Americans only receive one side of stories. That's done intentionally by the corrupt American Government/Corporate Media.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

No I get it. Putin was not going to see Ukraine in a EU trade pact, and having decided that he took the Ukraine in a Soviet style invasion of a smaller neighbor.

The majority of Ukrainians didn't want to be in Russian trade block, and they rebelled against an upopular Putin stooge.

I don't think Putin will ever leave E. Ukraine or Crimea, but hopefully sanctions will be permanent. Of course Putins pussy in in the WH so who knows.

Russian speaking citizens no longer want to be a part of Ukraine. They fully support separation. The current illegal US/Western-backed Government has been brutal to them. Thousands have been imprisoned and killed. I can't blame them for wanting to separate.

here is a crazy idea - if they like Russia so much more than Ukraine they should just MOVE THERE.

God knows over-population is a not exactly a problem in Russia.

Why should Russian Ukrainians move to Russia. They are the indigenous people of the Ukraine. Non- Ukrainian Russians are mostly descended from German and east Europeans that immigrated to the Ukraine under Katherine the Great. The rest of them are descended from Nazi extremists that migrated to the Ukraine at the end of WWII - it was their last stronghold.

Perhaps it's the non-Russian Ukrainians that should go back to wherever they came from.

 

[Dschrute3]

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

Coup was caused less by US/Western countries (who of course want pro-western Ukraine) than Russian backed Ukranian government.

Ukrainians were not coerced into rebellion, they chose to overthrow Kremlin backed puppet government when it tried to crack down on the protesting of it's abandonment of EU deal.

American thinking can be so bizarre. A Democratically-elected leader is a 'Puppet.' But the criminals who seized power illegally, are somehow the 'Good Guys.' So now Kiev has an illegal US/West Puppet Government. Oh boy, all this meddling just gets crazier & crazier. Ukraine as we used to know it, is gone forever. And the US/West played a major role in that happening.

There is validity to the criticism that Ukranian government got installed by coup instead of standard political process. America and other western countries certainly did not advocate that.

HOWEVER, none of that justified land grabbing by Russia.

No, the US/West fully backed it. Who do you think is propping up the illegal regime? And Russia-aligned citizens voted to separate. There was no 'grabbing'. That's just Western propaganda. Those citizens don't wanna be a part of a nation ruled by the illegal Government in Kiev.

 

[Dschrute3]

Ukraine was a peaceful stable nation before the US/Western-backed illegal Coup in Kiev. None of this chaos would be occurring if the West hadn't destabilized the country. I know most Americans have been conditioned to believe it's all Putin and Russia's fault, but it actually isn't.

As a result of the illegal Coup, Russia-aligned citizens have been systematically imprisoned and killed by the illegal Government. So now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. And there's no going back. They fully support being independent. The US/West shouldn't have meddled.

Trump is justified in occupying Crimea and E. Ukraine because he only wants peace and stability in Europe. I've always maintained that Hitler basically wanted the same thing - to bring Europe out of the Great Depression and into full employment and prosperity, so he invaded all those countries to help their economies and people .... sure he got a little carried away, esp with the Jews and Gypsy's but really nobody wanted them living in their country ether.

You're like most Americans. You're not getting it. It was the US/Western-backed Coup in Kiev that's caused all the chaos. The illegal Government there has systematically imprisoned and killed Russia-aligned citizens.

And now, Russia-aligned citizens have chose to separate. A unified Ukraine is no more. And you can lay most of the blame for that on the US/West. They destabilized yet another country.

No I get it. Putin was not going to see Ukraine in a EU trade pact, and having decided that he took the Ukraine in a Soviet style invasion of a smaller neighbor.

The majority of Ukrainians didn't want to be in Russian trade block, and they rebelled against an upopular Putin stooge.

I don't think Putin will ever leave E. Ukraine or Crimea, but hopefully sanctions will be permanent. Of course Putins pussy in in the WH so who knows.

Russian speaking citizens no longer want to be a part of Ukraine. They fully support separation. The current illegal US/Western-backed Government has been brutal to them. Thousands have been imprisoned and killed. I can't blame them for wanting to separate.

here is a crazy idea - if they like Russia so much more than Ukraine they should just MOVE THERE.

God knows over-population is a not exactly a problem in Russia.

They've chosen to separate. And i can't blame them. The illegal US-backed Government in Kiev is systematically killing and imprisoning them. They haven't been given much choice but to fight back.