Democrats Need to Drop the Gun-Control Issue

As usual, the rabid leftists / gun grabbers are the biggest incentive for people to arm themselves. With the leftists abandoning arrest of criminals and defunding police, people have a need to protect themselves.


 
It's obviously not penny ante if you don't want anyone who is legally prohibited carrying as gun. This is why you criticize the current BG check system isn't it?

Naw, man, I criticize the BG check system in that it LEGALLY sells guns to people like Joker Holmes.

Now, you catch Jamal the street thug with a gun. YOU TAKE AWAY THE GUN. Period. Full stop. Throwing him in prison for just having the gun is a waste of resources.

And we don't need the ATF all we need is state prosecutors cooperating with the US attorney's office to move all gun cases to federal court.

The Federal Courts don't want them. There's really no reason why the Feds can't take these cases now, they just refuse to unless it's someone doing something blatant, like selling AR-15's with conversion kits at a gun show.

You want Federal Gun Laws to have some teeth, fund the ATF seriously. Don't piss and moan when they take out a mutant like Koresh.
 
As usual, the rabid leftists / gun grabbers are the biggest incentive for people to arm themselves. With the leftists abandoning arrest of criminals and defunding police, people have a need to protect themselves.

Again- 85% of murders are people who know each other... and 2/3rds of gun deaths are self-inflicted.

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As usual, the rabid leftists / gun grabbers are the biggest incentive for people to arm themselves. With the leftists abandoning arrest of criminals and defunding police, people have a need to protect themselves.

Again- 85% of murders are people who know each other... and 2/3rds of gun deaths are self-inflicted.

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Again - you play fasr and loose with statements you don't understand


It is important to note that firearms are involved in about two-thirds of homicides in the U.S. That said, murders between intimates are more likely to involve “hands-on” violence, such as choking, beatings, or violence where the perpetrator physically touches the victim. Guns are more likely to be involved between perpetrators and victims who are strangers, or who know each other only in passing, like rival gang members.



Again - the data conflicts with your "... because I say so", nonsense.


Again - Yeah, it's a strange thing. Criminals commit crimes with or without a gun.

Again - when leftist loons refuse to prosecute crime, criminals feel emboldened to commit more crime.

Number of murders in the United States by relationship of victim to offender in 2019

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It is important to note that firearms are involved in about two-thirds of homicides in the U.S. That said, murders between intimates are more likely to involve “hands-on” violence, such as choking, beatings, or violence where the perpetrator physically touches the victim. Guns are more likely to be involved between perpetrators and victims who are strangers, or who know each other only in passing, like rival gang members.

Except, of course, that 83% of murder victims know each other... So even taking out ALL the other methods, 50% of murders are where a gun was used in an incident between family or neighbors or acquantences..

Not to mention the 20,000 people who kill themselves intentionally or accidentally because they have access to a gun.
 
It is important to note that firearms are involved in about two-thirds of homicides in the U.S. That said, murders between intimates are more likely to involve “hands-on” violence, such as choking, beatings, or violence where the perpetrator physically touches the victim. Guns are more likely to be involved between perpetrators and victims who are strangers, or who know each other only in passing, like rival gang members.

Except, of course, that 83% of murder victims know each other... So even taking out ALL the other methods, 50% of murders are where a gun was used in an incident between family or neighbors or acquantences..

Not to mention the 20,000 people who kill themselves intentionally or accidentally because they have access to a gun.
Except of course that the data shows otherwise.

Not to mention of course that:

 
Again - Yeah, it's a strange thing. Criminals commit crimes with or without a gun.

I'm sure they do. I just don't really care about property crimes that much. They aren't important. Stuff can be replaced. Lives cannot.
Why worry about property crime when its not your property?

Why worry about the leftist allowance for destruction of property in Portland, as one example? The leftist game is to promote the rights of criminals to riot, destroy property and murder while minimizing the rights of the victims.

It's the illness of the leftist retrograde.
 
It's obviously not penny ante if you don't want anyone who is legally prohibited carrying as gun. This is why you criticize the current BG check system isn't it?

Naw, man, I criticize the BG check system in that it LEGALLY sells guns to people like Joker Holmes.

Now, you catch Jamal the street thug with a gun. YOU TAKE AWAY THE GUN. Period. Full stop. Throwing him in prison for just having the gun is a waste of resources.

And we don't need the ATF all we need is state prosecutors cooperating with the US attorney's office to move all gun cases to federal court.

The Federal Courts don't want them. There's really no reason why the Feds can't take these cases now, they just refuse to unless it's someone doing something blatant, like selling AR-15's with conversion kits at a gun show.

You want Federal Gun Laws to have some teeth, fund the ATF seriously. Don't piss and moan when they take out a mutant like Koresh.
So he just gets another illegal gun

Like I said you're full of shit.

The reason we have gun crime and gun violence is because we don't enforce gun laws.

You want to obsess over this one guy and ignore the real problem
 
Why worry about property crime when its not your property?

Why worry about the leftist allowance for destruction of property in Portland, as one example? The leftist game is to promote the rights of criminals to riot, destroy property and murder while minimizing the rights of the victims.

I don't. Portland brought this upon itself, I'm not getting upset about it.

Except of course that the data shows otherwise.

Not to mention of course that:
That was a study of one city... and frankly, if your wife or kid grabs your gun and shoots another family member, that would count as "not the lawful gun owner".

So he just gets another illegal gun

Not if you make guns REALLY HARD to get. Not if you crack down on the gun dealers for knowingly selling to straw buyers.

The reason we have gun crime and gun violence is because we don't enforce gun laws.

NO, the reason we have it is that people who shouldn't have guns can get them.
 
Why worry about property crime when its not your property?

Why worry about the leftist allowance for destruction of property in Portland, as one example? The leftist game is to promote the rights of criminals to riot, destroy property and murder while minimizing the rights of the victims.

I don't. Portland brought this upon itself, I'm not getting upset about it.

Except of course that the data shows otherwise.

Not to mention of course that:
That was a study of one city... and frankly, if your wife or kid grabs your gun and shoots another family member, that would count as "not the lawful gun owner".

So he just gets another illegal gun

Not if you make guns REALLY HARD to get. Not if you crack down on the gun dealers for knowingly selling to straw buyers.

The reason we have gun crime and gun violence is because we don't enforce gun laws.

NO, the reason we have it is that people who shouldn't have guns can get them.

“Portland brought this upon itself, I'm not getting upset about it.”

That’s just nonsense. Leftist politicians created the disaster in Portland just as they did in Minneapolis, New York and elsewhere.
 
Why worry about property crime when its not your property?

Why worry about the leftist allowance for destruction of property in Portland, as one example? The leftist game is to promote the rights of criminals to riot, destroy property and murder while minimizing the rights of the victims.

I don't. Portland brought this upon itself, I'm not getting upset about it.

Except of course that the data shows otherwise.

Not to mention of course that:
That was a study of one city... and frankly, if your wife or kid grabs your gun and shoots another family member, that would count as "not the lawful gun owner".

So he just gets another illegal gun

Not if you make guns REALLY HARD to get. Not if you crack down on the gun dealers for knowingly selling to straw buyers.

The reason we have gun crime and gun violence is because we don't enforce gun laws.

NO, the reason we have it is that people who shouldn't have guns can get them.
You mean like all the people out there who can't pass a BG check and still own guns?

You know the ones that you don't want to charge with a gun crime
 
It's obviously not penny ante if you don't want anyone who is legally prohibited carrying as gun. This is why you criticize the current BG check system isn't it?

Naw, man, I criticize the BG check system in that it LEGALLY sells guns to people like Joker Holmes.

Now, you catch Jamal the street thug with a gun. YOU TAKE AWAY THE GUN. Period. Full stop. Throwing him in prison for just having the gun is a waste of resources.

And we don't need the ATF all we need is state prosecutors cooperating with the US attorney's office to move all gun cases to federal court.

The Federal Courts don't want them. There's really no reason why the Feds can't take these cases now, they just refuse to unless it's someone doing something blatant, like selling AR-15's with conversion kits at a gun show.

You want Federal Gun Laws to have some teeth, fund the ATF seriously. Don't piss and moan when they take out a mutant like Koresh.


The ATF needs to be disbanded. They are the jackbooted anti Constitutional thugs of our country.
 
No you control the fucking criminals.

But you don't want to do that

Guy, we lock up 2 million people. We have another 7 million on probation or parole.

It's time to stop trying to stop the end result, and address the root causes.

The root causes are.

1) Poverty
2) Racism
3) Addiction
4) Mental Illness
5) Gun Proliferation

The Europeans don't have these problems because they address these issues sensibly.

The Japanese don't have these problems because they are a monoculture, don't allow guns, and have thorough social programs. (As for Mental Illness, Japan is to Crazy what the Middle East is to Oil, they have enough reserves to meet all the world's needs)

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Don't ever Change, Japan!
 
You mean like all the people out there who can't pass a BG check and still own guns?

You know the ones that you don't want to charge with a gun crime

You cut off a snake at the head. The head is the gun industry, not the inviduals who have guns.
Nonsense. Yours is the typical leftist refusal to hold criminals responsible for the crimes they committ.


What the rabid leftists want to do is ignore the Constitution, appease criminals and blame ''whitey''.
 

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