Democrats Win Because They Have Lies On Their Side

[Bfgrn]

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Well, I'd say both ends of the spectrum have done a fine job of pointing out the lies of the other.

Is everybody happy with that?

Until we stop ignoring and apologizing for the lies of the winger politicians, partisans, politicos and pundits, and until both ends of the spectrum stop pointing the finger and concentrate on cleaning their OWN house, the decay will continue.

Okay, back to the finger-pointing.

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Here is a novel approach for you to try...FACTS and the TRUTH. Do some research, educate yourself and be informed.


"Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known & seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men. Error indeed has often prevailed by the assistance of power or force. Truth is the proper & sufficient antagonist to error.
Thomas Jefferson - Notes on Religion (October 1776), published in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson : 1816–1826 (1899) edited by Paul Leicester Ford, v. 2, p. 102

Beware of the half-truth. You may have gotten hold of the wrong half.
Seymour Essrog

Oh, thank you for the wisdom, [MENTION=19018]Bfgrn[/MENTION]. Fortunately, though, most of us are not hardcore partisan ideologues, so I'll need some clarification.

First, the two wacky ends of the spectrum can't even agree on what the "facts" ARE most of the time. Perhaps you can provide some guidance there.

And second, what precisely is "the truth" in your world? What, exactly, do those two words mean to you? It's wonderful to know that I now have a source for "The Truth".

Looking forward to more of your wisdom, thanks in advance.

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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Facts are facts. Learn to find them.

What do you want to be educated on? Maybe if you study hard you can become an intelligent citizen. But I must warn you...people will call you a 'liberal'...

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

 

[nodoginnafight]

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Well, I'd say both ends of the spectrum have done a fine job of pointing out the lies of the other.

Is everybody happy with that?

Until we stop ignoring and apologizing for the lies of the winger politicians, partisans, politicos and pundits, and until both ends of the spectrum stop pointing the finger and concentrate on cleaning their OWN house, the decay will continue.

Okay, back to the finger-pointing.

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Here is a novel approach for you to try...FACTS and the TRUTH. Do some research, educate yourself and be informed.


"Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known & seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men. Error indeed has often prevailed by the assistance of power or force. Truth is the proper & sufficient antagonist to error.
Thomas Jefferson - Notes on Religion (October 1776), published in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson : 1816–1826 (1899) edited by Paul Leicester Ford, v. 2, p. 102

Beware of the half-truth. You may have gotten hold of the wrong half.
Seymour Essrog

Republicans fare every bit as poorly after the fact checks as Democrats do.

That is a FACT.

 

[bedowin62]

Democrats have a near monopoly as to what gets reported as "fact" in the mainstream media. and that is a fact.
that is worsened by the fact that the same media rarely bothers to fact check themselves; and goes on repeating lies they already wanted to believe; spoon-fed to them by this administration

 

[Iceweasel]

REALLY? Then why wasn't Bush or Reagan 'run out of office'?

Neither of them had a cover story prior to their second term elections. No way would they have survived that shit storm. The midia didn't bother to dig into it, Republicans get an anal inspection everytime they break wind.

The truth is when a Democrat is in the White House, SUDDENLY these tragic incidents are caused by some 'ulterior' motives, the debt Republicans created is unpalatable, and SUDDENLY they want to hold feet to the fire. But when a Republican is in the White House, NONE of these issues are important....WHY is that???

U.S. Embassy and Consulate Attacks Under George W. Bush

January 22, 2002: US consulate at Kolkata, 5 Killed
June 14, 2002: US Consulate at Karachi, 12 Killed
February 28, 2003: US Embassy at Islamabad, 2 Killed
June 30, 2004: US Embassy at Tashkent, 2 Killed
December 6, 2004: US Compound at Saudi Arabia, 9 Killed
March 2, 2006: US Consulate in Karachi, 2 Killed
September 12, 2006: US Embassy at Syria, 4 Killed
March 18, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 2 Killed
July 9, 2008: US Consulate at Istanbul, 6 Killed
September 17, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 16 Killed
TOTAL DEATHS: 60
OUTRAGED REPUBLICANS: 0

Care to talk about the 270 who died under Reagan in Embassy attacks?

You neglected to show how they are similar to Bengazi. No outraged Republicans over US deaths overseas? WTF?

 

[Mac1958]

Here is a novel approach for you to try...FACTS and the TRUTH. Do some research, educate yourself and be informed.


"Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known & seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men. Error indeed has often prevailed by the assistance of power or force. Truth is the proper & sufficient antagonist to error.
Thomas Jefferson - Notes on Religion (October 1776), published in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson : 1816–1826 (1899) edited by Paul Leicester Ford, v. 2, p. 102

Beware of the half-truth. You may have gotten hold of the wrong half.
Seymour Essrog

Oh, thank you for the wisdom, [MENTION=19018]Bfgrn[/MENTION]. Fortunately, though, most of us are not hardcore partisan ideologues, so I'll need some clarification.

First, the two wacky ends of the spectrum can't even agree on what the "facts" ARE most of the time. Perhaps you can provide some guidance there.

And second, what precisely is "the truth" in your world? What, exactly, do those two words mean to you? It's wonderful to know that I now have a source for "The Truth".

Looking forward to more of your wisdom, thanks in advance.

.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Facts are facts. Learn to find them.

What do you want to be educated on? Maybe if you study hard you can become an intelligent citizen. But I must warn you...people will call you a 'liberal'...

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone (1809 – 1898)

That's okay, I never expect straight answers here.

But just knowing that you are The One who has The Key to The Truth will help me sleep the sleep of angels.

Gives me a warm feeling in my tummy!

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[nodoginnafight]

Democrats have a near monopoly as to what gets reported as "fact" in the mainstream media. and that is a fact.
that is worsened by the fact that the same media rarely bothers to fact check themselves; and goes on repeating lies they already wanted to believe; spoon-fed to them by this administration

IT'S THE MEDIA .......

The right wing equivalent of "BOOOOOSH DID IT."

Unfortunately you have to fact check a lot of major media outlets as well. The hyper-partisan media outlets (like MSNBC and Fox) mostly - but every media outlet at times.

Not a factor in the "who lies more" argument.

When you make the effort to fact check EVERYBODY (as I often do), you find that NO ONE is on the high ground here.

 

[mudwhistle]

Democrats lie. But they certainly don't have a monopoly. Republicans lie just as much.

That's not an excuse, especially when peoples lives are at stake.

Lies coming from Democrats have resulted in the re-election of Obama, who's foreign policy has us painted into a corner on the Ukraine, caused the cancellation of millions, not hundreds, but millions of healthcare policies, has set us down a path of destroying a once powerful military, rendered our space program unable to provide manned flights to repair our satellites, or bring our Astronauts back from the space station, cancelled missile defense systems in Poland and Ukraine, cancelled every advanced weapons program on the books, threw billions of dollars down a rat-hole on alternative energy, used the IRS to harass political opponents, is using the CIA to spy on Congress, the NSA is spying on everyone, and the CIA and ATF are trafficking guns in the Middle-East and Mexico.

Lying about a bridge doesn't even compare. We get rid of these liars when we catch them. The left congratulates them and gives them awards.

 

[mudwhistle]

Try to keep up. The video DID contribute to the attack.

Which is a statement with no particular meaning. It's impossible, assuming the article is true, that a few guys that saw the video could have motivated everyone else to go off on the embassy, including having the hardware at hand. That should speak to you but it doesn't. The administration and media downplayed the terrorism aspect for political reasons. A Republican would have been run out of office for that alone.

REALLY? Then why wasn't Bush or Reagan 'run out of office'?

The truth is when a Democrat is in the White House, SUDDENLY these tragic incidents are caused by some 'ulterior' motives, the debt Republicans created is unpalatable, and SUDDENLY they want to hold feet to the fire. But when a Republican is in the White House, NONE of these issues are important....WHY is that???

U.S. Embassy and Consulate Attacks Under George W. Bush

January 22, 2002: US consulate at Kolkata, 5 Killed
June 14, 2002: US Consulate at Karachi, 12 Killed
February 28, 2003: US Embassy at Islamabad, 2 Killed
June 30, 2004: US Embassy at Tashkent, 2 Killed
December 6, 2004: US Compound at Saudi Arabia, 9 Killed
March 2, 2006: US Consulate in Karachi, 2 Killed
September 12, 2006: US Embassy at Syria, 4 Killed
March 18, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 2 Killed
July 9, 2008: US Consulate at Istanbul, 6 Killed
September 17, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 16 Killed
TOTAL DEATHS: 60
OUTRAGED REPUBLICANS: 0

Care to talk about the 270 who died under Reagan in Embassy attacks?

Links

Any of them American Ambassadors?

 

[Bfgrn]

Which is a statement with no particular meaning. It's impossible, assuming the article is true, that a few guys that saw the video could have motivated everyone else to go off on the embassy, including having the hardware at hand. That should speak to you but it doesn't. The administration and media downplayed the terrorism aspect for political reasons. A Republican would have been run out of office for that alone.

REALLY? Then why wasn't Bush or Reagan 'run out of office'?

The truth is when a Democrat is in the White House, SUDDENLY these tragic incidents are caused by some 'ulterior' motives, the debt Republicans created is unpalatable, and SUDDENLY they want to hold feet to the fire. But when a Republican is in the White House, NONE of these issues are important....WHY is that???

U.S. Embassy and Consulate Attacks Under George W. Bush

January 22, 2002: US consulate at Kolkata, 5 Killed
June 14, 2002: US Consulate at Karachi, 12 Killed
February 28, 2003: US Embassy at Islamabad, 2 Killed
June 30, 2004: US Embassy at Tashkent, 2 Killed
December 6, 2004: US Compound at Saudi Arabia, 9 Killed
March 2, 2006: US Consulate in Karachi, 2 Killed
September 12, 2006: US Embassy at Syria, 4 Killed
March 18, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 2 Killed
July 9, 2008: US Consulate at Istanbul, 6 Killed
September 17, 2008 US Embassy at Yemen, 16 Killed
TOTAL DEATHS: 60
OUTRAGED REPUBLICANS: 0

Care to talk about the 270 who died under Reagan in Embassy attacks?

Links

Any of them American Ambassadors?

Making excuses for Bush already?

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush’s Watch Without a Peep from Fox News

The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they’re being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

A few observations about this timeline. My initial list was quoted from an article on the Daily Kos which actually contained several errors and only 11 attacks (the above timeline contains all 13 attacks). Also, my list above doesn’t include the numerous and fatal attacks on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad during the Iraq war — a war that was vocally supported by Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Fox News Channel.

Speaking of Graham, I ran a search on each attack along with the name “Lindsey Graham” in the hopes of discovering that Graham had perhaps commented about the attacks or raised some questions about why the administration didn’t prevent the attacks or respond accordingly to prevent additional embassy attacks. No results. Of course. Now, this could mean the search wasn’t exhaustive enough. But one thing’s for sure: neither Graham nor any of his cohorts launched a crusade against the Bush administration and the State Department in any of those cases — no one did, including the congressional Democrats, by the way.

This leads us to the ultimate point here. Not only have numerous sources previously debunked the Benghazi information being peddled by the Republicans and Fox News (for example, contrary to what the Republicans are saying, yes, reinforcements did in fact arrive before the attack on the CIA compound), but none of these people raised a single word of protest when, for example, American embassies in Yemen and Pakistan were attacked numerous times. Why didn’t the Bush administration do something to secure the compounds after the first attacks? Why didn’t he provide additional security?

Where was your inquest after the Karachi attacks, Mr. Graham? Where were you after the Sana’a attacks, Mr. Hannity? What about all of the embassy attacks in Iraq that I didn’t even list here, Mr. McCain? Do you realize how many people died in attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates when Bush was supposedly keeping us safe, Mr. Ailes? Just once I’d like to hear David Gregory or George Stephanopoulos or Wolf Blitzer ask a Republican member of Congress about the above timeline and why they said nothing at the time of each attack. Just once.

Nearly every accusation being issued about Benghazi could’ve been raised about the Bush era attacks, and yet these self-proclaimed truth-seekers refused to, in their words, undermine the commander-in-chief while troops were in harm’s way (a line they repeated over and over again during those years).

So we’re only left to conclude the obvious. The investigations and accusations and conspiracy theories are entirely motivated by politics and a strategy to escalate this to an impeachment trial. In doing so, the Republicans have the opportunity not only to crush the president’s second term, but also to sabotage the potential for a Hillary Clinton presidency.

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush's Watch Without a Peep from Fox News

 

[nodoginnafight]

Democrats lie. But they certainly don't have a monopoly. Republicans lie just as much.

That's not an excuse, especially when peoples lives are at stake.

Lies coming from Democrats have resulted in the re-election of Obama, who's foreign policy has us painted into a corner on the Ukraine, caused the cancellation of millions, not hundreds, but millions of healthcare policies, has set us down a path of destroying a once powerful military, rendered our space program unable to provide manned flights to repair our satellites, or bring our Astronauts back from the space station, cancelled missile defense systems in Poland and Ukraine, cancelled every advanced weapons program on the books, threw billions of dollars down a rat-hole on alternative energy, used the IRS to harass political opponents, is using the CIA to spy on Congress, the NSA is spying on everyone, and the CIA and ATF are trafficking guns in the Middle-East and Mexico.

Lying about a bridge doesn't even compare. We get rid of these liars when we catch them. The left congratulates them and gives them awards.

There are never ANY excuses for anyone's lies.

And if you are trying to say GOP lies have never cost anyone their life, try telling that to someone who lost their life in Iraq.

I can give you a long list of Republican lies and Democrat lies.
So what.

NO ONE is on the high ground. Period.

 

[Iceweasel]

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush’s Watch Without a Peep from Fox News[/SIZE]

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

I looked up the first one.

Four Killed in Gun Battle Outside U.S. Cultural Center in India | Fox News

You're full of shit. You're just reposting propaganda foaming over on HuffPo and the likes.

 

[Iceweasel]

There are never ANY excuses for anyone's lies.

And if you are trying to say GOP lies have never cost anyone their life, try telling that to someone who lost their life in Iraq.

I can give you a long list of Republican lies and Democrat lies.
So what.

NO ONE is on the high ground. Period.

Especially you. Many Dems voted to go to war too with the same intel so it wasn't a Republican lie.

 

[nodoginnafight]

There are never ANY excuses for anyone's lies.

And if you are trying to say GOP lies have never cost anyone their life, try telling that to someone who lost their life in Iraq.

I can give you a long list of Republican lies and Democrat lies.
So what.

NO ONE is on the high ground. Period.

Especially you. Many Dems voted to go to war too with the same intel so it wasn't a Republican lie.

It was a lie propagated by Bush - a Republican.

How come you make excuses for Republican lies?

No lies are acceptable - but apparently some folks think lies are excusable if THEIR side is the one lying.

 

[Truthmatters]

they forget the congress was lied to also by Bush.

well maybe forget isn't the right word

 

[Iceweasel]

It was a lie propagated by Bush - a Republican.

No, they saw the same intel. Otherwise Bush would have been impeached and ousted. If they could have done it, they damn sure would have.

 

[nodoginnafight]

It was a lie propagated by Bush - a Republican.

No, they saw the same intel. Otherwise Bush would have been impeached and ousted. If they could have done it, they damn sure would have.

Yeah, OK. Lies are just fine with you as long as it is YOUR guys telling them.

I'm not buying GOP lies or your spin on their lies and I'm not buying into Democrats' lies or anyone else's spin on THEM.

 

[kaz]

52 per cent of Democrats don't even know that the Earth revolves around the sun. When you've got an electorate with that level intellect you can tell 'em anything and they'll believe it.
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it! Period!"
Barack Obama once related the experience of his first public speaking engagement.
'After speaking several minutes he stopped momentarily to catch his breath, gazed at the crowd and realized he had them eating out of his hand.' He's been trying to lie his way to the position of 'King of the World' ever since.

Yes. The left win elections because their voters want to believe what Democrats tell them, and they don't think critically, so they do believe what they are told.

 

[Iceweasel]

It was a lie propagated by Bush - a Republican.

No, they saw the same intel. Otherwise Bush would have been impeached and ousted. If they could have done it, they damn sure would have.

Yeah, OK. Lies are just fine with you as long as it is YOUR guys telling them.

I'm not buying GOP lies or your spin on their lies and I'm not buying into Democrats' lies or anyone else's spin on THEM.

How did you get that from what I said?

 

[Bfgrn]

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush’s Watch Without a Peep from Fox News[/SIZE]

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

I looked up the first one.

Four Killed in Gun Battle Outside U.S. Cultural Center in India | Fox News

You're full of shit. You're just reposting propaganda foaming over on HuffPo and the likes.

2002 attack on American cultural centre in Kolkata

Four police constables and a private security guard were killed and 20 other people injured when, on January 22, 2002, gunmen attacked an American cultural centre in Kolkata, India. The centre houses a library, the American embassy's public affairs office, a press section and a cultural wing.

Two groups claimed responsibility for the attack. A Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (HUJI) member, Farhan Malik owned responsibility and said the attack was in protest against "the evil empire of America"

 

[mudwhistle]

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush’s Watch Without a Peep from Fox News[/SIZE]

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

I looked up the first one.

Four Killed in Gun Battle Outside U.S. Cultural Center in India | Fox News

You're full of shit. You're just reposting propaganda foaming over on HuffPo and the likes.

2002 attack on American cultural centre in Kolkata

Four police constables and a private security guard were killed and 20 other people injured when, on January 22, 2002, gunmen attacked an American cultural centre in Kolkata, India. The centre houses a library, the American embassy's public affairs office, a press section and a cultural wing.

Two groups claimed responsibility for the attack. A Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami (HUJI) member, Farhan Malik owned responsibility and said the attack was in protest against "the evil empire of America"

This is the first time one our Ambassadors was murdered and we did nothing.

Nothing but blame the guy who made a youtube video.