Slade3200
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I think you can fight and campaign hard but that doesn't mean you need to be dishonest and dirty. I didn't mention nor do I think that John Shaw is saying to not report on this Trump statement. I believe we are just saying report on it honestly. It was class discrimination, not racist. Come campaign time if you want to make a case about Trump being racist then make that statement. But when you inject and over emphasis that narrative in conversations like this you end up diminishing your credibility.If you refuse to report on those ill-conceived statements, it never happened don't you think? I completely get what you're getting at, I truly do. My problem is, like I said the whole,"we fight fair issue". Democrats suck at politics. They suck because they rather lose elections then be viewed unreasonable, you can't run campaigns if you aren't willing to fight bare knuckle. This means you realize you will not win the white 50 something vote. This means you will have to go after the millennials and the minority vote. You can't win those votes if you run for the hills every time race comes up.All polls suggest Trump is losing support across the board, this includes white people. Shares our values is one of the questions he scores abysmal at, don't you think perceived racism has nothing to do with those numbers? Again I'd like Trump being disqualified for better reasons then his views on race. Sadly since Americans care more about race then about for instance foreign relations, that's the card that will be played.Pointing out that POTUS is racist is not counterproductive at least from a political standpoint, it energizes Democrats to want to go out and vote. Not talking morals just purely political. I do want to know what your goal is? If you want people to start judging politics on its merits, you are a bit naive. Don't get me wrong, it's commendable. But Real politics is as old as politics itself, and trying to fight fair when the other side has no interest in doing so, just sets you up to lose.I agree with you and history does play a role when analyzing the character of a person. This latest comment certainly reenforces the narrative that Trump is a racist for those who believe he is. I just don't think that needs to be the main heading spinning 24/7 from our news outlets. You are taking a smaller subjective point and making it the focus and it reenforces the Media bias narrative that is driving Trumps Fake News campaign. I think it is counter productive. As to your point about the Republicans doing it to Hillary, don't go there. The "whatabout" diversion is something that Trump does all the time to take the focus off the subject at hand. You don't like it when he does it so don't do it yourself. Do better.
It doesn't energize white people though, who already feel as though they are being blamed for any sort of indiscretion on the part of any white person, while they themselves are fair game to be ridiculed and lectured to.
Just leave the race stuff out of it. I genuinely don't think it's effective.
I think they are running the risk of going overboard with it. It is a slippery slope issue; if this is considered racism, then what isn't? Suddenly it becomes acceptable to accuse someone (probably a white person) of racism for any minor indiscretion or unwise statement or generality. That sort of toxic environment is obviously going to hurt whites more than any other group, since they are already the only ones who really get accused of racism (there are very big segments of academia who think only white people can be racist at all).
Let the president's ill-conceived statements stand for themselves. Stop injecting racism where it doesn't exist.