Dems still own Obamacare. Good for midterms

[Rustic]

You got to keep obamacare. A win for takers a major loss for the makers. It's unaffordable but you got it. Hooray!

I don't like the ACA. That didn't answer my question.
.

You did not answer mine either! What compromise do you wish to make with democrats? Remember them? They fucked up the entire medical care in this country!

I wasn't talking about compromise with the Democrats.

I was talking about compromise with OTHER REPUBLICANS.

They couldn't even do THAT.

If you don't have an answer, that's okay.
.

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

Make obamacare an "opt in"... because it only works for progressives it is not in the best interest of the rest of the country. fact

 

[Geaux4it]

/----/ Yes I do and I also admit Hitler got the trains to run on time. Now consider the entire picture on Obzocare...........

All things considered, both sides need to stop the partisan posturing and work together to fix the areas of the ACA that are inflating costs. The protections the ACA provides should stay, it appears most people would agree

Because who doesn't want a free lunch?

-Geaux

Who is getting a free lunch? The heart of the ACA was to protect people with pre-existing conditions so they could have access to health care. If you are talking about medicaid expansion then we can discuss that but don't pretend like that is what the ACA is.

See that's the problem, people should not be forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Sorry to burst your bubble but thats what government is, thats what taxation is... It's fine if you want to live in Anarchy, but its not realistic in this country.

Sure it is

-Geaux

 

[Rustic]

I know it is supported by those getting the freebies! Those paying for the freebies? Not so much.

There's much more in there than freebies. The people who were most impacted by Obamacare are those who had preexisting conditions. That's the heart of the ACA. It was formed to prevent insurance companies from weeding out the sick so they can cover as many "healthy" people as possible to increase profits. They did also expand Medicaid, you may think it a better idea to let those in poverty to not have health insurance. They end up going to the ER anyways where hospitals eat the costs and then care costs rise. Either way, I'm not hearing any good solutions coming from the GOP. All they are doing is spiking insecurity with all the demonization of Ocare and no unity on productive solutions. The result is increasing the popularity of Obamacare

Obamacare is destroying millions of people's lives, because it only suits progressives. It is not in the best interest of the rest of the country. Fact

The ACA has made life tougher for some and better for others, i'm not going to argue that it is a perfect plan. It has failed on an affordability level and needs many tweaks. But it has shown success and saved lifes for those who are the most vulnerable... those with pre-existing conditions and those in poverty. So do I type "Fact" now to prove this is a true statement? Is that how it works?

I agree with one exception. It failed to provide affordable insurance in the individual market. In the group market, prexisting conditions was not a problem and most of the essential services were already covered, thus there has not been major cost increases like we have seen in the individual market. If you eliminate the affordability problem in the individual market, Obamacare has been fairly successful at meeting most of it's goals.

I've been in the individual market my whole life as I have always been self employed and I didn't notice any difference over the life of the ACA. Of course that is just me, I've heard stories from others that have had a different experience. Like I said, I'm open and would very much like to see a bipartisan effort to work these cost issues out. There have been plenty of good ideas that can help drive costs down but we need to get on the same page on a fundamental level which seems to be were the problems are coming from. We need to increase enrollements and reduce the amount of uninsured in the this country. We need to increase transparency and accountability as far as what is being charged for healthcare. We need to increase competition. We can look at deregulating areas that are causing unnecessary burdens. All of these will help drive costs down and they should be attractive to both sides of the aisle.

Obamacare is too corrupt and too fucked up to fix… Fact

 

[edthecynic]

Has Trump's HHS ALREADY stopped enforcing the individual mandate?

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

That is right. which is why Don THE Con has owned the ACA and all its "implosion" since his Jan 20, 2017 EO.

 

[Slade3200]

All things considered, both sides need to stop the partisan posturing and work together to fix the areas of the ACA that are inflating costs. The protections the ACA provides should stay, it appears most people would agree

Because who doesn't want a free lunch?

-Geaux

Who is getting a free lunch? The heart of the ACA was to protect people with pre-existing conditions so they could have access to health care. If you are talking about medicaid expansion then we can discuss that but don't pretend like that is what the ACA is.

See that's the problem, people should not be forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Sorry to burst your bubble but thats what government is, thats what taxation is... It's fine if you want to live in Anarchy, but its not realistic in this country.

That's why socialism can never work, it feeds off of the prosperous and successful…
Fraud is encouraged in the collective.

Without any kind of wealth distribution the rich simply swallow everything up and grow too powerful to compete with. This is the flaw of a completely capitalistic society. We need a check and balance, something in place to look out for the "little guy" something that allows our citizens the opportunity to go from rags to riches if they work hard enough. You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic democracy. FACT

 

[Rustic]

Has Trump's HHS ALREADY stopped enforcing the individual mandate?

Major Blow to Obamacare Mandate: IRS Won't Reject Tax Returns That Don't Answer Health Insurance Question

That is right. which is why Don THE Con has owned the ACA and all its "implosion" since his Jan 20, 2017 EO.

It's called Obamacare for a reason, it's a fuck up.
Like all socialist entitlement programs it's a failure and corrupt to the core... fact

 

[Rustic]

Because who doesn't want a free lunch?

-Geaux

Who is getting a free lunch? The heart of the ACA was to protect people with pre-existing conditions so they could have access to health care. If you are talking about medicaid expansion then we can discuss that but don't pretend like that is what the ACA is.

See that's the problem, people should not be forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Sorry to burst your bubble but thats what government is, thats what taxation is... It's fine if you want to live in Anarchy, but its not realistic in this country.

That's why socialism can never work, it feeds off of the prosperous and successful…
Fraud is encouraged in the collective.

Without any kind of wealth distribution the rich simply swallow everything up and grow too powerful to compete with. This is the flaw of a completely capitalistic society. We need a check and balance, something in place to look out for the "little guy" something that allows our citizens the opportunity to go from rags to riches if they work hard enough. You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic democracy. FACT

This is supposed to be a capitalist Republic, not a shit eating democracy.
Having the federal government in charge is like putting a fox in the hen house… Fact

 

[sealybobo]

run early and often on Obamacare!

If people who get free Obamacare don't vote in these midterms you have the countries blessing to take it away.

 

[sealybobo]

I don't like the ACA. That didn't answer my question.
.

You did not answer mine either! What compromise do you wish to make with democrats? Remember them? They fucked up the entire medical care in this country!

I wasn't talking about compromise with the Democrats.

I was talking about compromise with OTHER REPUBLICANS.

They couldn't even do THAT.

If you don't have an answer, that's okay.
.

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

Make obamacare an "opt in"... because it only works for progressives it is not in the best interest of the rest of the country. fact

You don't like pre existing conditions? You are never going to get sick or old?

 

[Geaux4it]

Because who doesn't want a free lunch?

-Geaux

Who is getting a free lunch? The heart of the ACA was to protect people with pre-existing conditions so they could have access to health care. If you are talking about medicaid expansion then we can discuss that but don't pretend like that is what the ACA is.

See that's the problem, people should not be forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Sorry to burst your bubble but thats what government is, thats what taxation is... It's fine if you want to live in Anarchy, but its not realistic in this country.

That's why socialism can never work, it feeds off of the prosperous and successful…
Fraud is encouraged in the collective.

Without any kind of wealth distribution the rich simply swallow everything up and grow too powerful to compete with. This is the flaw of a completely capitalistic society. We need a check and balance, something in place to look out for the "little guy" something that allows our citizens the opportunity to go from rags to riches if they work hard enough. You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic democracy. FACT

Um, the government is the last thing you want involved to help you achieve riches

-Geaux

 

[Rustic]

You did not answer mine either! What compromise do you wish to make with democrats? Remember them? They fucked up the entire medical care in this country!

I wasn't talking about compromise with the Democrats.

I was talking about compromise with OTHER REPUBLICANS.

They couldn't even do THAT.

If you don't have an answer, that's okay.
.

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

Make obamacare an "opt in"... because it only works for progressives it is not in the best interest of the rest of the country. fact

You don't like pre existing conditions? You are never going to get sick or old?

I want nothing to do with any insurance of any sort, I never have used it, I have never purchased it, I never plan on purchasing it. I don't live life that way… Scared of what might happen.

 

[WillowTree]

You got to keep obamacare. A win for takers a major loss for the makers. It's unaffordable but you got it. Hooray!

I don't like the ACA. That didn't answer my question.
.

You did not answer mine either! What compromise do you wish to make with democrats? Remember them? They fucked up the entire medical care in this country!

I wasn't talking about compromise with the Democrats.

I was talking about compromise with OTHER REPUBLICANS.

They couldn't even do THAT.

If you don't have an answer, that's okay.
.

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

You are an idiot! No one is taking 22 million off of Health Insurance. Damn how did you get so stupid? What the bill does is slow the expansion of Medicaid. It also does away with the fucking mandate. People have a CHOICE to stay or go!

 

[Rustic]

The federal government is 100% corrupt,100% of the time… fact

 

[sealybobo]

I wasn't talking about compromise with the Democrats.

I was talking about compromise with OTHER REPUBLICANS.

They couldn't even do THAT.

If you don't have an answer, that's okay.
.

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

Make obamacare an "opt in"... because it only works for progressives it is not in the best interest of the rest of the country. fact

You don't like pre existing conditions? You are never going to get sick or old?

I want nothing to do with any insurance of any sort, I never have used it, I have never purchased it, I never plan on purchasing it. I don't live life that way… Scared of what might happen.

Ridiculous. When you die you'll be laid up in the hospital and it'll cost taxpayers a million. You need to pull your own weight. Every asshole says that then inevidably you get cancer or alzhimers and Medicaid has to take care of your sorry ass.

We're not worried about you we're covering our asses by making you buy your own healthcare.

You may not want to go to the Alzheimer's home but it won't be your choice by then.

 

[sealybobo]

I don't like the ACA. That didn't answer my question.
.

You did not answer mine either! What compromise do you wish to make with democrats? Remember them? They fucked up the entire medical care in this country!

I wasn't talking about compromise with the Democrats.

I was talking about compromise with OTHER REPUBLICANS.

They couldn't even do THAT.

If you don't have an answer, that's okay.
.

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

You are an idiot! No one is taking 22 million off of Health Insurance. Damn how did you get so stupid? What the bill does is slow the expansion of Medicaid. It also does away with the fucking mandate. People have a CHOICE to stay or go!

It won't work or fix what's wrong. Why can't you guys ever solve a problem?

What is the last problem a Republican solved?

Obama got us out of Bush's recession and got rid of pre existing conditions.

What's the last problem Republicans fixed?

 

[Slade3200]

Who is getting a free lunch? The heart of the ACA was to protect people with pre-existing conditions so they could have access to health care. If you are talking about medicaid expansion then we can discuss that but don't pretend like that is what the ACA is.

See that's the problem, people should not be forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Sorry to burst your bubble but thats what government is, thats what taxation is... It's fine if you want to live in Anarchy, but its not realistic in this country.

That's why socialism can never work, it feeds off of the prosperous and successful…
Fraud is encouraged in the collective.

Without any kind of wealth distribution the rich simply swallow everything up and grow too powerful to compete with. This is the flaw of a completely capitalistic society. We need a check and balance, something in place to look out for the "little guy" something that allows our citizens the opportunity to go from rags to riches if they work hard enough. You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic democracy. FACT

This is supposed to be a capitalist Republic, not a shit eating democracy.
Having the federal government in charge is like putting a fox in the hen house… Fact

So what, that has nothing to do with what I just said. Stop with the word games. Here i'll restate the last line for your dumb ass.

"You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic REPUBLIC. FACT"

 

[Rustic]

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

Make obamacare an "opt in"... because it only works for progressives it is not in the best interest of the rest of the country. fact

You don't like pre existing conditions? You are never going to get sick or old?

I want nothing to do with any insurance of any sort, I never have used it, I have never purchased it, I never plan on purchasing it. I don't live life that way… Scared of what might happen.

Ridiculous. When you die you'll be laid up in the hospital and it'll cost taxpayers a million. You need to pull your own weight. Every asshole says that then inevidably you get cancer or alzhimers and Medicaid has to take care of your sorry ass.

We're not worried about you we're covering our asses by making you buy your own healthcare.

You may not want to go to the Alzheimer's home but it won't be your choice by then.

Just shoot me in the head, before I depend on the fucking federal government. It does not suit me...

 

[Rustic]

You did not answer mine either! What compromise do you wish to make with democrats? Remember them? They fucked up the entire medical care in this country!

I wasn't talking about compromise with the Democrats.

I was talking about compromise with OTHER REPUBLICANS.

They couldn't even do THAT.

If you don't have an answer, that's okay.
.

So I misunderstood your question. So what compromise would you make with the dissenting Republicans? Like Collins who wants to fund PP? Or the ones who wanted to keep the mandates and taxes? Which of those are acceptable to you? Funding murder? Mandates? Or taxing the shit out of the middle class?

Collins was the one who could read that taking 22 million people off Health Insurance so that Billionaires could get a tax break doesn't make sense...

You are not here to discuss.. You are already indoctrinated into the group think... Well done to those Republicans who got past the cloud and put Americans ahead of Team Red. That new health bill would have sent US well down the international health rankings...

You are an idiot! No one is taking 22 million off of Health Insurance. Damn how did you get so stupid? What the bill does is slow the expansion of Medicaid. It also does away with the fucking mandate. People have a CHOICE to stay or go!

It won't work or fix what's wrong. Why can't you guys ever solve a problem?

What is the last problem a Republican solved?

Obama got us out of Bush's recession and got rid of pre existing conditions.

What's the last problem Republicans fixed?

Obama tried to make us pay for shit we do not want and will never. thankfully the mandate is no longer enforced...

 

[Rustic]

See that's the problem, people should not be forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Sorry to burst your bubble but thats what government is, thats what taxation is... It's fine if you want to live in Anarchy, but its not realistic in this country.

That's why socialism can never work, it feeds off of the prosperous and successful…
Fraud is encouraged in the collective.

Without any kind of wealth distribution the rich simply swallow everything up and grow too powerful to compete with. This is the flaw of a completely capitalistic society. We need a check and balance, something in place to look out for the "little guy" something that allows our citizens the opportunity to go from rags to riches if they work hard enough. You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic democracy. FACT

This is supposed to be a capitalist Republic, not a shit eating democracy.
Having the federal government in charge is like putting a fox in the hen house… Fact

So what, that has nothing to do with what I just said. Stop with the word games. Here i'll restate the last line for your dumb ass.

"You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic REPUBLIC. FACT"

We are not all in this together, it does not take a village. People need to pay for their own shit… LOL

 

[Slade3200]

Who is getting a free lunch? The heart of the ACA was to protect people with pre-existing conditions so they could have access to health care. If you are talking about medicaid expansion then we can discuss that but don't pretend like that is what the ACA is.

See that's the problem, people should not be forced to pay for other peoples shit...

Sorry to burst your bubble but thats what government is, thats what taxation is... It's fine if you want to live in Anarchy, but its not realistic in this country.

That's why socialism can never work, it feeds off of the prosperous and successful…
Fraud is encouraged in the collective.

Without any kind of wealth distribution the rich simply swallow everything up and grow too powerful to compete with. This is the flaw of a completely capitalistic society. We need a check and balance, something in place to look out for the "little guy" something that allows our citizens the opportunity to go from rags to riches if they work hard enough. You distort the role our government plays by calling it socialism. It is dishonest and a cheap way to critique social programs that exists in our capitalistic democracy. FACT

Um, the government is the last thing you want involved to help you achieve riches

-Geaux

Is that right? We only use the currency that is created and managed by our government. We are only protected from being robbed blind by our laws and police. We are only protected against dozens of vulnerabilities that our competitors could exploit to destroy our businesses... Yeah, you go to some Anarchic third world country and start a business and see how well you do. Man, you are not having a good day.