Devout Christians should not be prevented from engaging in NCAA sports.

[kaz]

Why do you sound exactly like uncensored 2008? Did you forget which sock you were using?

Why do you sound exactly like Adolf Hitler?

What you and your filthy Reich are is plain to all.

You are Nazis, you seek to crush all civil rights and establish totalitarianism. You are well on your way to doing it.

Never Again.

That's just classic. Occupied can't believe two posters didn't both recognize him as being a Nazi, LOL. Yeah, must be the same person. What a stupid ass

Why don't you try to troll me with your other persona, maybe that will convince me otherwise.

Who gives a fuck?

You call anyone you disagree with a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, you support literally silencing anyone who says things you disagree with and actual violence attacking people wearing read hats including children and the elderly and hassling then in restaurants and you support Democrats stealing elections ...

... then you're shocked TWO people notice the connection between you and Nazi?

LOL, you thought you were a good old boy? Hardly, Nazi

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound. Furthermore, that word has been corrupted over the centuries by faulty translations from long lost original texts, m

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Good for you. But I really don't care about YOUR personal belief structure, I care about the public stance of the evangelical right, who are obsessed with denying rights to gays, and others they don't like, without any sort of scriptural backing whatsoever. About evangelical business owners who are going to the Supreme Court to be allowed to discriminate against gay customers on "religious" grounds.

They're very particular about the class of "sinners" they are refusing to serve. They'll do a wedding cake for a man who had an adulterous affair with his secretary, lied to his wife and family, and is now marrying the secretary, in violation of any number of the 10 Commandments, but not two gay people who have violated none of the Commandments. Their sins are so grievous as to make them worthy of shunning. It's quite hypocritical.

Adultery is not "sex outside of marriage", meaning sex between people who are not married, at all. It is sex between a married person and someone who is not their spouse. Sex between two people, neither of whom are married, is NOT adultery, nor is there ANY sort of prohibition against it in the Bible. Marriage is to "sanctify" the union between a man and a woman, but the Biblical references to sex do not have all of the anti-woman and anti-sex references that the Catholic Church in particular, has developed over the centuries.

I did find an evangelical "family values" website that defined "adultery" as sex between a man and a married or betrothed woman. The marital status of the man was irrelevant. This site was basically saying that a married man was not committing adultery by having sex outside of marriage, if the woman he had sex with was "unattached".

Hypocrisy abounds with the religious right.

 

[JustAGuy1]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound. Furthermore, that word has been corrupted over the centuries by faulty translations from long lost original texts, m

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Good for you. But I really don't care about YOUR personal belief structure, I care about the public stance of the evangelical right, who are obsessed with denying rights to gays, and others they don't like, without any sort of scriptural backing whatsoever. About evangelical business owners who are going to the Supreme Court to be allowed to discriminate against gay customers on "religious" grounds.

They're very particular about the class of "sinners" they are refusing to serve. They'll do a wedding cake for a man who had an adulterous affair with his secretary, lied to his wife and family, and is now marrying the secretary, in violation of any number of the 10 Commandments, but not two gay people who have violated none of the Commandments. Their sins are so grievous as to make them worthy of shunning. It's quite hypocritical.

Adultery is not "sex outside of marriage", meaning sex between people who are not married, at all. It is sex between a married person and someone who is not their spouse. Sex between two people, neither of whom are married, is NOT adultery, nor is there ANY sort of prohibition against it in the Bible. Marriage is to "sanctify" the union between a man and a woman, but the Biblical references to sex do not have all of the anti-woman and anti-sex references that the Catholic Church in particular, has developed over the centuries.

I did find an evangelical "family values" website that defined "adultery" as sex between a man and a married or betrothed woman. The marital status of the man was irrelevant. This site was basically saying that a married man was not committing adultery by having sex outside of marriage, if the woman he had sex with was "unattached".

Hypocrisy abounds with the religious right.

Lie

for·ni·ca·tion
sexual intercourse between people not married to each other.

From the King James Dictionary, Fornication is defined as "Sexual immorality. Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savor. But FORNICATION, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks." (Ephesian 5:1-4)

 

[kaz]

Quit preaching hatred and division - problem solved.

I couldn't think of better advice to give to you.

A fascist against "hatred and division." That's classic. Didn't see that one coming. If only you meant it

As I said earlier in the thread: Just because you hate what someone is saying it does not mean someone is being hateful. Sometimes the hate is in you.

And like I've said, that is great advice for the left to apply to themselves.

Religious colleges are the ones expelling students for things like sex, so they are the ones being hateful.

This is tired. So do you hate people who abuse drugs or are you OK with people abusing drugs?

Do you hate fate people or do you think it's fine to be fat?

I ask since you keep telling us those are the only options.

I have no issue with people being gay, but I reject your crap that Christians "hate" them.

Just FYI for your education, the logical fallacy you are committing is a false dichotomy where you say incorrectly there are only two choices. In this case, that you are OK with gay or you hate gays.

Think about it. Christianity is about the concept we are all sinners. Your fallacious arguments sets up that Christians are required to hate everyone since your own solution to sin is to hate the sinner

 

[Jarlaxle]

Sorry kid, you don't get to interpret the Word from a place of ignorance. You seem pretty hostile? You don't like being shown up?

Yet again, because we both know you are incapable of doing so without admitting you're full of shit: Using the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, cite EXACTLY where Jesus condemned homosexuality.

We both know you will not, because you cannot.

 

[gmeyers1944]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

 

[pknopp]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

Trump bragged about it when he was married to Marla. It hurt her bad.

 

[Dragonlady]

Why do you sound exactly like uncensored 2008? Did you forget which sock you were using?

Why do you sound exactly like Adolf Hitler?

What you and your filthy Reich are is plain to all.

You are Nazis, you seek to crush all civil rights and establish totalitarianism. You are well on your way to doing it.

Never Again.

That's just classic. Occupied can't believe two posters didn't both recognize him as being a Nazi, LOL. Yeah, must be the same person. What a stupid ass

Why don't you try to troll me with your other persona, maybe that will convince me otherwise.

Who gives a fuck?

You call anyone you disagree with a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, you support literally silencing anyone who says things you disagree with and actual violence attacking people wearing read hats including children and the elderly and hassling then in restaurants and you support Democrats stealing elections ...

... then you're shocked TWO people notice the connection between you and Nazi?

LOL, you thought you were a good old boy? Hardly, Nazi

Moving the goal posts are you? I guess now that you're losing the argument, that's your only option.

No we don't. We call people who make racist, homophobic and xenophobic statements, these names. Then they deny that anything they said was racist, or homophobic, even though it was most blatantly all of these things.

As for people being "silenced", since Donald Trump was "silenced", he's been interviewed on multiple right wing news sites, been the keynote speaker at CPAC, and issued numerous public statements. The most vociferous people on the right, are currently those who are being "silenced". They're doing op ed's in the Wall Street Journal, and appearing on TV, and starting their own media platforms.

I find it laughable that the guy who keeps referring to me as "Mrs. Mao" is complaining about people baselessly calling those on the right names. I spent my entire working career in banking, insurance and law, working on to further capitalism and conservative economics, and have never so much as been a union member, much less had any interest in anything other than capitalism, but yet you continue to call me a "communist".

So before you complain about what's being done TO you, take a long hard look at how you treat people on the left and consider how it got to this point.

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

The public record says otherwise. He publicly flaunted his infidelities, and bragged of them. There are also the court records of his divorces, and his bribes to his mistresses.

The fact that you're even suggesting he's not an adulterer show what a gullible idiot you Trumpkins truly are.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Sorry kid, you don't get to interpret the Word from a place of ignorance. You seem pretty hostile? You don't like being shown up?

Yet again, because we both know you are incapable of doing so without admitting you're full of shit: Using the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, cite EXACTLY where Jesus condemned homosexuality.

We both know you will not, because you cannot.

I did in my first reply, look I don't care where you put your penis. God condemns it so in the end according to Him you're in trouble.

 

[gmeyers1944]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound. Furthermore, that word has been corrupted over the centuries by faulty translations from long lost original texts, m

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

They're very particular about the class of "sinners" they are refusing to serve. They'll do a wedding cake for a man who had an adulterous affair with his secretary, lied to his wife and family, and is now marrying the secretary, in violation of any number of the 10 Commandments, but not two gay people who have violated none of the Commandments. Their sins are so grievous as to make them worthy of shunning. It's quite hypocritical.

In the case of Masterpiece Cakeshop, David Mullins and Charlie Craig visited Masterpiece Cakeshop. Masterpiece owner Jack Phillips was willing to sell them a cake, just not one specially ordered to celebrate their gay "wedding". He also informed them of other bakeshops that would be willing to fulfill their special order. I cannot say how Jack Philips would respond, but it is possible that he would refuse service to the person you mention above had he known of his adulterous affair. But then, that would not be as obvious to the casual observer as 2 men getting "married". Who knows?

 

[Dragonlady]

Sorry kid, you don't get to interpret the Word from a place of ignorance. You seem pretty hostile? You don't like being shown up?

Yet again, because we both know you are incapable of doing so without admitting you're full of shit: Using the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, cite EXACTLY where Jesus condemned homosexuality.

We both know you will not, because you cannot.

I did in my first reply, look I don't care where you put your penis. God condemns it so in the end according to Him you're in trouble.

Until you can present actual evidence of God's condemnation, then you're entitled to think that, but you have no right to tell Jar he's a sinner, or treat him badly. In fact God condemns YOU for doing so - Judge not lest you be judged!

If God condemns homosexuality, then that's between God and those who have sinned. As a sinner, you are in no position to condemn others for their sins. In fact, Jesus condemns that behaviour too: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

I grew up reading the King James version. As a teenager, I discovered all of the sex and violence in the Old Testament, and just ate it up with a fork and spoon. You can justify rape, incest, blood sacrifice, and all manner of perversions from the Old Testament. It's a veritable cornucopia of bad behaviors much of it done on "God's command". And adults are always delighted to see the young spend so much time reading the Good Book.

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound. Furthermore, that word has been corrupted over the centuries by faulty translations from long lost original texts, m

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

They're very particular about the class of "sinners" they are refusing to serve. They'll do a wedding cake for a man who had an adulterous affair with his secretary, lied to his wife and family, and is now marrying the secretary, in violation of any number of the 10 Commandments, but not two gay people who have violated none of the Commandments. Their sins are so grievous as to make them worthy of shunning. It's quite hypocritical.

In the case of Masterpiece Cakeshop, David Mullins and Charlie Craig visited Masterpiece Cakeshop. Masterpiece owner Jack Phillips was willing to sell them a cake, just not one specially ordered to celebrate their gay "wedding". He also informed them of other bakeshops that would be willing to fulfill their special order. I cannot say how Jack Philips would respond, but it is possible that he would refuse service to the person you mention above had he known of his adulterous affair. But then, that would not be as obvious as 2 men getting "married". Who knows?

If he were so concerned about serving "sinners", or going against God's wishes in supporting behaviour that goes against God's will, one would think that he would enquire as to the circumstances of the wedding, and be refusing service on all second marriages, as all are deemed "adultery" in the eyes of God. One would not want him to participate in a wedding which God would not approve of or condone.

If Jack Phillips is not showing the same discriminating refusal to serve other "sinners", as he showed in refusing service to the gay couple, then he has no basis for refusing to serve the gay men.

 

[gmeyers1944]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

The fact that you're even suggesting he's not an adulterer show what a gullible idiot you Trumpkins truly are.

As a Christian, conservative, Trump supporter I can say that most people like me don't expect our leaders to be saints and are willing to forgive a sinner when he confesses. I am a sinner that has been saved by the grace of God.

 

[kaz]

Why do you sound exactly like uncensored 2008? Did you forget which sock you were using?

Why do you sound exactly like Adolf Hitler?

What you and your filthy Reich are is plain to all.

You are Nazis, you seek to crush all civil rights and establish totalitarianism. You are well on your way to doing it.

Never Again.

That's just classic. Occupied can't believe two posters didn't both recognize him as being a Nazi, LOL. Yeah, must be the same person. What a stupid ass

Why don't you try to troll me with your other persona, maybe that will convince me otherwise.

Who gives a fuck?

You call anyone you disagree with a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, you support literally silencing anyone who says things you disagree with and actual violence attacking people wearing read hats including children and the elderly and hassling then in restaurants and you support Democrats stealing elections ...

... then you're shocked TWO people notice the connection between you and Nazi?

LOL, you thought you were a good old boy? Hardly, Nazi

Moving the goal posts are you? I guess now that you're losing the argument, that's your only option.

No we don't. We call people who make racist, homophobic and xenophobic statements, these names. Then they deny that anything they said was racist, or homophobic, even though it was most blatantly all of these things.

As for people being "silenced", since Donald Trump was "silenced", he's been interviewed on multiple right wing news sites, been the keynote speaker at CPAC, and issued numerous public statements. The most vociferous people on the right, are currently those who are being "silenced". They're doing op ed's in the Wall Street Journal, and appearing on TV, and starting their own media platforms.

I find it laughable that the guy who keeps referring to me as "Mrs. Mao" is complaining about people baselessly calling those on the right names. I spent my entire working career in banking, insurance and law, working on to further capitalism and conservative economics, and have never so much as been a union member, much less had any interest in anything other than capitalism, but yet you continue to call me a "communist".

So before you complain about what's being done TO you, take a long hard look at how you treat people on the left and consider how it got to this point.

You're lying, fascist. I stopped reading when you said you don't call people you disagree with racists, you have done that for the forty years I remember politics, Nazi Democrat. Not sure how long you did it before that.

You all support everything I said, opposition in the Democrat party to any of them is zero.

And here's your dirty little secret, you ARE racist. You do nothing but use and exploit people of color and then you go after them if they defy you proving your belief they are your property.

If you weren't racist, you'd believe for example a black man is entitled to HIS view. You're Archie Bunker who thinks he's entitled to yours. Or be destroyed as you're a fascist

 

[gmeyers1944]

Sorry kid, you don't get to interpret the Word from a place of ignorance. You seem pretty hostile? You don't like being shown up?

Yet again, because we both know you are incapable of doing so without admitting you're full of shit: Using the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, cite EXACTLY where Jesus condemned homosexuality.

We both know you will not, because you cannot.

I did in my first reply, look I don't care where you put your penis. God condemns it so in the end according to Him you're in trouble.

Until you can present actual evidence of God's condemnation, then you're entitled to think that, but you have no right to tell Jar he's a sinner, or treat him badly. In fact God condemns YOU for doing so - Judge not lest you be judged!

If God condemns homosexuality, then that's between God and those who have sinned. As a sinner, you are in no position to condemn others for their sins. In fact, Jesus condemns that behaviour too: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

I grew up reading the King James version. As a teenager, I discovered all of the sex and violence in the Old Testament, and just ate it up with a fork and spoon. You can justify rape, incest, blood sacrifice, and all manner of perversions from the Old Testament. It's a veritable cornucopia of bad behaviors much of it done on "God's command". And adults are always delighted to see the young spend so much time reading the Good Book.

You make the mistake that reading about sex and violence in the Old Testament means that God endorses it. You need to read it in context. In no way does the Bible justify these perversions. It is relating to history.

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

The fact that you're even suggesting he's not an adulterer show what a gullible idiot you Trumpkins truly are.

As a Christian, conservative, Trump supporter I can say that most people like me don't expect our leaders to be saints and are willing to forgive a sinner when he confesses. I am a sinner that has been saved by the grace of God.

Trump hasn't "confessed" his sins. He continues to deny them, thereby lying and bearing false witness.

I don't expect my leader to be a saint either, but I certainly don't want a leader who has raped women and bragged about it, who routinely lies about and denigrates others, and who made his money cheating people and refusing to pay his bills or honor his contractual obligations. It denotes a lack of morals and character, and I do expect both in my leaders.

When it comes to personal matters, such as adultery, where Trump differs from other Presidents, is his self-admitted penchant for sexual assault - confirmed by more than 20 such victims who confirmed the behaviours he bragged about in the Access Hollywood tapes.

Trump has a long, long history of financial malfeasance and outright fraud, and yet conservative Christians refuse to vote for Democrats who support a woman's right to choose. Where you make your stand is telling indeed. Against God given free will - every single time.

Conservative Christians continue to support a man whose policies have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans through his covid response; who deliberately and cruelly separated children at the Southern Border - killing 7 children; who lied daily tens of thousands of times; and who promoted hate and racism. All while demonizing members of the Democratic Party.

Christians outside of the United States of America look at the right wing conservative Christian movement in the USA and say that Jesus was really fucking clear about keeping politics out of spirituality. Jesus steadfastly refused all attempts by his followers to turn his movement into an anti-Roman political movement, saying that his Kingdom is not of this world.

You cannot call yourself a Christian and vote for the policies of Donald J. Trump. You cannot vote for cruelty and death, and say you follow Jesus' teachings, because you don't. Not for a second.

 

[Dragonlady]

Why do you sound exactly like uncensored 2008? Did you forget which sock you were using?

Why do you sound exactly like Adolf Hitler?

What you and your filthy Reich are is plain to all.

You are Nazis, you seek to crush all civil rights and establish totalitarianism. You are well on your way to doing it.

Never Again.

That's just classic. Occupied can't believe two posters didn't both recognize him as being a Nazi, LOL. Yeah, must be the same person. What a stupid ass

Why don't you try to troll me with your other persona, maybe that will convince me otherwise.

Who gives a fuck?

You call anyone you disagree with a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, you support literally silencing anyone who says things you disagree with and actual violence attacking people wearing read hats including children and the elderly and hassling then in restaurants and you support Democrats stealing elections ...

... then you're shocked TWO people notice the connection between you and Nazi?

LOL, you thought you were a good old boy? Hardly, Nazi

Moving the goal posts are you? I guess now that you're losing the argument, that's your only option.

No we don't. We call people who make racist, homophobic and xenophobic statements, these names. Then they deny that anything they said was racist, or homophobic, even though it was most blatantly all of these things.

As for people being "silenced", since Donald Trump was "silenced", he's been interviewed on multiple right wing news sites, been the keynote speaker at CPAC, and issued numerous public statements. The most vociferous people on the right, are currently those who are being "silenced". They're doing op ed's in the Wall Street Journal, and appearing on TV, and starting their own media platforms.

I find it laughable that the guy who keeps referring to me as "Mrs. Mao" is complaining about people baselessly calling those on the right names. I spent my entire working career in banking, insurance and law, working on to further capitalism and conservative economics, and have never so much as been a union member, much less had any interest in anything other than capitalism, but yet you continue to call me a "communist".

So before you complain about what's being done TO you, take a long hard look at how you treat people on the left and consider how it got to this point.

You're lying, fascist. I stopped reading when you said you don't call people you disagree with racists, you have done that for the forty years I remember politics, Nazi Democrat. Not sure how long you did it before that.

You all support everything I said, opposition in the Democrat party to any of them is zero.

And here's your dirty little secret, you ARE racist. You do nothing but use and exploit people of color and then you go after them if they defy you proving your belief they are your property.

If you weren't racist, you'd believe for example a black man is entitled to HIS view. You're Archie Bunker who thinks he's entitled to yours. Or be destroyed as you're a fascist

Thank you for proving my point. You didn't even read the post. You just returned to calling me names. I'm not a Democrat, or even an American. You continue to make judgements against everyone with your eyes and ears closed.

Fuck you!

 

[JustAGuy1]

Sorry kid, you don't get to interpret the Word from a place of ignorance. You seem pretty hostile? You don't like being shown up?

Yet again, because we both know you are incapable of doing so without admitting you're full of shit: Using the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, cite EXACTLY where Jesus condemned homosexuality.

We both know you will not, because you cannot.

I did in my first reply, look I don't care where you put your penis. God condemns it so in the end according to Him you're in trouble.

Until you can present actual evidence of God's condemnation, then you're entitled to think that, but you have no right to tell Jar he's a sinner, or treat him badly. In fact God condemns YOU for doing so - Judge not lest you be judged!

If God condemns homosexuality, then that's between God and those who have sinned. As a sinner, you are in no position to condemn others for their sins. In fact, Jesus condemns that behaviour too: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

I grew up reading the King James version. As a teenager, I discovered all of the sex and violence in the Old Testament, and just ate it up with a fork and spoon. You can justify rape, incest, blood sacrifice, and all manner of perversions from the Old Testament. It's a veritable cornucopia of bad behaviors much of it done on "God's command". And adults are always delighted to see the young spend so much time reading the Good Book.

You don't read well. I neither judged him or condemned him, go back and reread. I simply used the Scripture to make my point. Sweetie you don't get to pick and choose what Scripture like and what Scriture you don't. God's Word condemns those acts, take it up with Him.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

The fact that you're even suggesting he's not an adulterer show what a gullible idiot you Trumpkins truly are.

As a Christian, conservative, Trump supporter I can say that most people like me don't expect our leaders to be saints and are willing to forgive a sinner when he confesses. I am a sinner that has been saved by the grace of God.

Trump hasn't "confessed" his sins. He continues to deny them, thereby lying and bearing false witness.

I don't expect my leader to be a saint either, but I certainly don't want a leader who has raped women and bragged about it, who routinely lies about and denigrates others, and who made his money cheating people and refusing to pay his bills or honor his contractual obligations. It denotes a lack of morals and character, and I do expect both in my leaders.

When it comes to personal matters, such as adultery, where Trump differs from other Presidents, is his self-admitted penchant for sexual assault - confirmed by more than 20 such victims who confirmed the behaviours he bragged about in the Access Hollywood tapes.

Trump has a long, long history of financial malfeasance and outright fraud, and yet conservative Christians refuse to vote for Democrats who support a woman's right to choose. Where you make your stand is telling indeed. Against God given free will - every single time.

Conservative Christians continue to support a man whose policies have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans through his covid response; who deliberately and cruelly separated children at the Southern Border - killing 7 children; who lied daily tens of thousands of times; and who promoted hate and racism. All while demonizing members of the Democratic Party.

Christians outside of the United States of America look at the right wing conservative Christian movement in the USA and say that Jesus was really fucking clear about keeping politics out of spirituality. Jesus steadfastly refused all attempts by his followers to turn his movement into an anti-Roman political movement, saying that his Kingdom is not of this world.

You cannot call yourself a Christian and vote for the policies of Donald J. Trump. You cannot vote for cruelty and death, and say you follow Jesus' teachings, because you don't. Not for a second.

You do realize you're mixing religion and politics.... right?

Cripes you're stupid