Devout Christians should not be prevented from engaging in NCAA sports.

[kaz]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

The fact that you're even suggesting he's not an adulterer show what a gullible idiot you Trumpkins truly are.

As a Christian, conservative, Trump supporter I can say that most people like me don't expect our leaders to be saints and are willing to forgive a sinner when he confesses. I am a sinner that has been saved by the grace of God.

Trump hasn't "confessed" his sins. He continues to deny them, thereby lying and bearing false witness.

I don't expect my leader to be a saint either, but I certainly don't want a leader who has raped women and bragged about it, who routinely lies about and denigrates others, and who made his money cheating people and refusing to pay his bills or honor his contractual obligations. It denotes a lack of morals and character, and I do expect both in my leaders.

When it comes to personal matters, such as adultery, where Trump differs from other Presidents, is his self-admitted penchant for sexual assault - confirmed by more than 20 such victims who confirmed the behaviours he bragged about in the Access Hollywood tapes.

Trump has a long, long history of financial malfeasance and outright fraud, and yet conservative Christians refuse to vote for Democrats who support a woman's right to choose. Where you make your stand is telling indeed. Against God given free will - every single time.

Conservative Christians continue to support a man whose policies have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans through his covid response; who deliberately and cruelly separated children at the Southern Border - killing 7 children; who lied daily tens of thousands of times; and who promoted hate and racism. All while demonizing members of the Democratic Party.

Christians outside of the United States of America look at the right wing conservative Christian movement in the USA and say that Jesus was really fucking clear about keeping politics out of spirituality. Jesus steadfastly refused all attempts by his followers to turn his movement into an anti-Roman political movement, saying that his Kingdom is not of this world.

You cannot call yourself a Christian and vote for the policies of Donald J. Trump. You cannot vote for cruelty and death, and say you follow Jesus' teachings, because you don't. Not for a second.

Democrats who spent four years lying about every Trump quote and action whiting about lying is classic, fascist liar

 

[kaz]

Why do you sound exactly like uncensored 2008? Did you forget which sock you were using?

Why do you sound exactly like Adolf Hitler?

What you and your filthy Reich are is plain to all.

You are Nazis, you seek to crush all civil rights and establish totalitarianism. You are well on your way to doing it.

Never Again.

That's just classic. Occupied can't believe two posters didn't both recognize him as being a Nazi, LOL. Yeah, must be the same person. What a stupid ass

Why don't you try to troll me with your other persona, maybe that will convince me otherwise.

Who gives a fuck?

You call anyone you disagree with a racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, you support literally silencing anyone who says things you disagree with and actual violence attacking people wearing read hats including children and the elderly and hassling then in restaurants and you support Democrats stealing elections ...

... then you're shocked TWO people notice the connection between you and Nazi?

LOL, you thought you were a good old boy? Hardly, Nazi

Moving the goal posts are you? I guess now that you're losing the argument, that's your only option.

No we don't. We call people who make racist, homophobic and xenophobic statements, these names. Then they deny that anything they said was racist, or homophobic, even though it was most blatantly all of these things.

As for people being "silenced", since Donald Trump was "silenced", he's been interviewed on multiple right wing news sites, been the keynote speaker at CPAC, and issued numerous public statements. The most vociferous people on the right, are currently those who are being "silenced". They're doing op ed's in the Wall Street Journal, and appearing on TV, and starting their own media platforms.

I find it laughable that the guy who keeps referring to me as "Mrs. Mao" is complaining about people baselessly calling those on the right names. I spent my entire working career in banking, insurance and law, working on to further capitalism and conservative economics, and have never so much as been a union member, much less had any interest in anything other than capitalism, but yet you continue to call me a "communist".

So before you complain about what's being done TO you, take a long hard look at how you treat people on the left and consider how it got to this point.

You're lying, fascist. I stopped reading when you said you don't call people you disagree with racists, you have done that for the forty years I remember politics, Nazi Democrat. Not sure how long you did it before that.

You all support everything I said, opposition in the Democrat party to any of them is zero.

And here's your dirty little secret, you ARE racist. You do nothing but use and exploit people of color and then you go after them if they defy you proving your belief they are your property.

If you weren't racist, you'd believe for example a black man is entitled to HIS view. You're Archie Bunker who thinks he's entitled to yours. Or be destroyed as you're a fascist

Thank you for proving my point. You didn't even read the post. You just returned to calling me names. I'm not a Democrat, or even an American. You continue to make judgements against everyone with your eyes and ears closed.

Fuck you!

Proving your point, fucking jackass.

Yes, you started the post with a flagrant lie. It wasn't going to get better from there.

Then you wrote a post as if you're against lying

 

[Uncensored2008]

Thank you for proving my point. You didn't even read the post. You just returned to calling me names. I'm not a Democrat, or even an American. You continue to make judgements against everyone with your eyes and ears closed.

Fuck you!

You sure get involved in American politics, and ALWAYS to promote the Reich.

You get in the pen and play in the mud, you're going to get lumped in with the pigs.

 

[kaz]

Thank you for proving my point. You didn't even read the post. You just returned to calling me names. I'm not a Democrat, or even an American. You continue to make judgements against everyone with your eyes and ears closed.

Fuck you!

You sure get involved in American politics, and ALWAYS to promote the Reich.

You get in the pen and play in the mud, you're going to get lumped in with the pigs.

She's not a Democrat, that lie was pretty funny. She lies about everything, just like a Democrat.

And she's not "even an American." Yet she spends all her time here posting Democrat propaganda. Oh, but she's not a Democrat either, LOL.

Democrats. Morons, fascists, liars. It's what they are

 

[Uncensored2008]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

Trump bragged about it when he was married to Marla. It hurt her bad.

You didn't mind when Clinton did it - in the White House.

 

[Dragonlady]

Thank you for proving my point. You didn't even read the post. You just returned to calling me names. I'm not a Democrat, or even an American. You continue to make judgements against everyone with your eyes and ears closed.

Fuck you!

You sure get involved in American politics, and ALWAYS to promote the Reich.

You get in the pen and play in the mud, you're going to get lumped in with the pigs.

She's not a Democrat, that lie was pretty funny. She lies about everything, just like a Democrat.

And she's not "even an American." Yet she spends all her time here posting Democrat propaganda. Oh, but she's not a Democrat either, LOL.

Democrats. Morons, fascists, liars. It's what they are

Once again, you call others liars on no evidence, while complaining about other people call you names unfairly.

When you cannot refute my posts, you resort to personal attacks, all the while claiming to be the aggrieved party.

You think we don’t see through you??? You have all the intellectual depth of sidewalk puddle after the rain.

 

[kaz]

Thank you for proving my point. You didn't even read the post. You just returned to calling me names. I'm not a Democrat, or even an American. You continue to make judgements against everyone with your eyes and ears closed.

Fuck you!

You sure get involved in American politics, and ALWAYS to promote the Reich.

You get in the pen and play in the mud, you're going to get lumped in with the pigs.

She's not a Democrat, that lie was pretty funny. She lies about everything, just like a Democrat.

And she's not "even an American." Yet she spends all her time here posting Democrat propaganda. Oh, but she's not a Democrat either, LOL.

Democrats. Morons, fascists, liars. It's what they are

Once again, you call others liars on no evidence, while complaining about other people call you names unfairly.

When you cannot refute my posts, you resort to personal attacks, all the while claiming to be the aggrieved party.

You think we don’t see through you??? You have all the intellectual depth of sidewalk puddle after the rain.

You have been calling people liars on no evidence, stupid hypocritical fuck.

OK, racist. Let's do an easy one. List supposed Trump is a racist quotes that are not Democrat misquotes. Go ahead

 

[WTH_Progs?]

It is disgusting that people who believe what they read in The Bible are in danger of being ejected from NCAA basketball. They are coming after Oral Roberts University now. Other colleges and universities that adhere to Biblical standards will be next. Christians in general will also be demonized for believing in the Bible.
If USA Today Is ‘Coming for Oral Roberts,’ It’s Coming for all Christians, Mohler Warns - Michael Foust (christianheadlines.com)

As PROGS steer society away from GOD toward indoctrination it demonstrates perhaps the biggest reason society is so fucked up today. PROGS call this progress somehow, but they know it's not.

 

[pknopp]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

Trump bragged about it when he was married to Marla. It hurt her bad.

You didn't mind when Clinton did it - in the White House.

I never supported or voted for Clinton. Besides I'm not the one picking and chosing which scriptures I find important and which I will ignore.

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

Trump bragged about it when he was married to Marla. It hurt her bad.

You didn't mind when Clinton did it - in the White House.

Yes we did. We thought it deplorable, improper and just plain STUPID, but they were both consenting adults.

Not to mention, Clinton didn't publicly brag about his sexual prowess and sexually assaulting women, on an open mike for a gossip show, like a teenager in the locker room. Hardly appropriate behaviour for 55 year old man. Or parade his mistress around town to embarrass and humiliate his wife.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes we did. We thought it deplorable, improper and just plain STUPID, but they were both consenting adults.

Bullshit, you and your fellow Nazis lie about it to this day. As the Reich engaged in attempted coups of Trump, the subject came up and every last Nazi on this board chanted the same mantra of "it's only about sex." Which of course is a blatant lie.

Not to mention, Clinton didn't publicly brag about his sexual prowess and sexually assaulting women, on an open mike for a gossip show, like a teenager in the locker room. Hardly appropriate behaviour for 55 year old man. Or parade his mistress around town to embarrass and humiliate his wife.

Who did?

I know, you're going to lie about Trump again..

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes we did. We thought it deplorable, improper and just plain STUPID, but they were both consenting adults.

Bullshit, you and your fellow Nazis lie about it to this day. As the Reich engaged in attempted coups of Trump, the subject came up and every last Nazi on this board chanted the same mantra of "it's only about sex." Which of course is a blatant lie.

Not to mention, Clinton didn't publicly brag about his sexual prowess and sexually assaulting women, on an open mike for a gossip show, like a teenager in the locker room. Hardly appropriate behaviour for 55 year old man. Or parade his mistress around town to embarrass and humiliate his wife.

Who did?

I know, you're going to lie about Trump again..

I guess you haven't listened to the Access Hollywood tape - which has spawned a defamation law suit by one of the women Trump assaulted.

You sit there and type your lies without ever once checking with google, and then wonder why we think you're an idiot.

 

[BlindBoo]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

Written by men.

 

[Dragonlady]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

The fact that you're even suggesting he's not an adulterer show what a gullible idiot you Trumpkins truly are.

As a Christian, conservative, Trump supporter I can say that most people like me don't expect our leaders to be saints and are willing to forgive a sinner when he confesses. I am a sinner that has been saved by the grace of God.

Trump hasn't "confessed" his sins. He continues to deny them, thereby lying and bearing false witness.

I don't expect my leader to be a saint either, but I certainly don't want a leader who has raped women and bragged about it, who routinely lies about and denigrates others, and who made his money cheating people and refusing to pay his bills or honor his contractual obligations. It denotes a lack of morals and character, and I do expect both in my leaders.

When it comes to personal matters, such as adultery, where Trump differs from other Presidents, is his self-admitted penchant for sexual assault - confirmed by more than 20 such victims who confirmed the behaviours he bragged about in the Access Hollywood tapes.

Trump has a long, long history of financial malfeasance and outright fraud, and yet conservative Christians refuse to vote for Democrats who support a woman's right to choose. Where you make your stand is telling indeed. Against God given free will - every single time.

Conservative Christians continue to support a man whose policies have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans through his covid response; who deliberately and cruelly separated children at the Southern Border - killing 7 children; who lied daily tens of thousands of times; and who promoted hate and racism. All while demonizing members of the Democratic Party.

Christians outside of the United States of America look at the right wing conservative Christian movement in the USA and say that Jesus was really fucking clear about keeping politics out of spirituality. Jesus steadfastly refused all attempts by his followers to turn his movement into an anti-Roman political movement, saying that his Kingdom is not of this world.

You cannot call yourself a Christian and vote for the policies of Donald J. Trump. You cannot vote for cruelty and death, and say you follow Jesus' teachings, because you don't. Not for a second.

Democrats who spent four years lying about every Trump quote and action whiting about lying is classic, fascist liar

Once again, everyone in the entire world is lying to you except Donald Trump. Democrats are lying to you, the media is lying to you, the foreign press is lying to you. Only Donald Trump is telling you the truth.

You cannot possibly be that stupid and that gullible after four years of the worst Presidency in American history. And if you are, there really is no hope for you or your country. If you want to live by racism, bigotry, and cruelty to non-whites around the world, your nation doesn't deserve to survive and it won't. You'll end up a second or third tier country, non unlike South Africa.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

Written by men.

Through the Lord's guidance

I don't give two craps if you believe or don't believe but save the worn out responses

 

[BlindBoo]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

Written by men.

Through the Lord's guidance

I don't give two craps if you believe or don't believe but save the worn out responses

If you believe in your worn out response, it's okay by me.

 

[kaz]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

I have read Romans. I think Paul has a LOT of issues, and he never once spoke with Jesus. I'm not a fan.

If homosexuality is such a grave sin in the eyes of God, why is there no mention of it in the 10 Commandments? Why do radical right wing evangelicals place such an emphasis on banning homosexuality, and yet barely mention Adultery, upon which there is a prohibition in the 10 Commandments?

God says nothing in the Big 10 about homosexuality, and everything about lying, adultery, stealing and murder, and yet evangelicals don't seem to have a problem with any of these things. Only something which God didn't consider important enough to mention when he set down his laws.

Bakers aren't refusing to bake wedding cakes for Adulterers, liars, thieves, or blasphemers. Yet God considered these sins to be the WORST sins imaginable. Other than adultery, there were no prohibitions on other "lustful" or "shameful" behaviour.

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

No it is NOT. It is written by MEN, inspired by God, but their personal prejudices abound.

In addition to which, the English language versions of these Biblical texts weren't even translated from the original texts. They were translations of translations, that had passed through numerous translators' hands, each of whom added their own personal interpretations to their translations of the originals.

Especially when speaking of sexual matters, the language is seldom direct, except in the 10 Commandments - Thou shall not Commit adultery.

So I ask again, if evangelicals are SO consumed with unforgiveable sins, why are they so obsesses with homosexuality, and not the behaviours which are outright banned in the 10 Commandments?

I've been a Presbyterian Church Elder for more than 20 years, and was a Sunday School teacher for 10 of those years. Let's talk about the Biblical references to sexual behaviour, the beginning of life, and other religious matters shall we?

The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Evangelicals (including me) do not obsess with homosexuality. We may place additional emphasis on it because of the increased acceptance of homosexuality in the world today, especially in America.

I am an Independent Baptist Church deacon. Sex outside of marriage is adultery! So, homosexuality is adultery. Some places are now permitting same sex marriage. Calling it marriage doesn't make it such. I know that God created marriage for 1 man with 1 woman. The beginning of life and other matters are important but so is homosexuality. All sin, except as noted above, is forgivable. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that they will not even admit that it is sin.

Sex within marriage to someone who has been divorced (except outside of rare circumstances) is adultery also. Evangelicals largely backed a serial adulterer.

To whom are you referring to as this "serial adulterer? Probably it is someone that you don't like that someone has alleged that he/she is an adulterer.

Trump.

I suspected that it was President Donald J Trump that you were referring to. Simple allegations of adultery don't make him guilty!

The fact that you're even suggesting he's not an adulterer show what a gullible idiot you Trumpkins truly are.

As a Christian, conservative, Trump supporter I can say that most people like me don't expect our leaders to be saints and are willing to forgive a sinner when he confesses. I am a sinner that has been saved by the grace of God.

Trump hasn't "confessed" his sins. He continues to deny them, thereby lying and bearing false witness.

I don't expect my leader to be a saint either, but I certainly don't want a leader who has raped women and bragged about it, who routinely lies about and denigrates others, and who made his money cheating people and refusing to pay his bills or honor his contractual obligations. It denotes a lack of morals and character, and I do expect both in my leaders.

When it comes to personal matters, such as adultery, where Trump differs from other Presidents, is his self-admitted penchant for sexual assault - confirmed by more than 20 such victims who confirmed the behaviours he bragged about in the Access Hollywood tapes.

Trump has a long, long history of financial malfeasance and outright fraud, and yet conservative Christians refuse to vote for Democrats who support a woman's right to choose. Where you make your stand is telling indeed. Against God given free will - every single time.

Conservative Christians continue to support a man whose policies have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans through his covid response; who deliberately and cruelly separated children at the Southern Border - killing 7 children; who lied daily tens of thousands of times; and who promoted hate and racism. All while demonizing members of the Democratic Party.

Christians outside of the United States of America look at the right wing conservative Christian movement in the USA and say that Jesus was really fucking clear about keeping politics out of spirituality. Jesus steadfastly refused all attempts by his followers to turn his movement into an anti-Roman political movement, saying that his Kingdom is not of this world.

You cannot call yourself a Christian and vote for the policies of Donald J. Trump. You cannot vote for cruelty and death, and say you follow Jesus' teachings, because you don't. Not for a second.

Democrats who spent four years lying about every Trump quote and action whiting about lying is classic, fascist liar

Once again, everyone in the entire world is lying to you except Donald Trump. Democrats are lying to you, the media is lying to you, the foreign press is lying to you. Only Donald Trump is telling you the truth.

You cannot possibly be that stupid and that gullible after four years of the worst Presidency in American history. And if you are, there really is no hope for you or your country. If you want to live by racism, bigotry, and cruelty to non-whites around the world, your nation doesn't deserve to survive and it won't. You'll end up a second or third tier country, non unlike South Africa.

1) You're completely full of shit and you made that up

2) Obviously you're a Democrat worshiping brainless zombie

3) So give examples of Trump racist quotes that are not Democrats misquoting him. Do it. You said Trump's the liar, but first and foremost, you're the liar

 

[ThisIsMe]

Sodom and Gomorrah was about a few different things, serxual immorality being one of them, so far as I understand.

However, if that passage doesn't work, the we could look to leviticus

BIBLE VERSES ABOUT MAN SHALL NOT LAY WITH MAN

BIBLE VERSES ABOUT MAN SHALL NOT LAY WITH MAN. Man Shall Not Lay With Man Bible verses in the King James Version (KJV) about Man Shall Not Lay With Man.

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

No, it was the worst possible crime in the desert: inhospitality.

Using the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, cite EXACTLY where Jesus condemned homosexuality.

I don't know that Jesus did ever explicitly condemn it, but then he never condoned it either. He did say that a man is to leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife, which suggests he sure approved of hetero marriage.

I guess you have to decide if you want to consider the writings of the book of leviticus, and the no adultery commandment, and whether or not those things applied during the time Jesus walked the earth.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The problem is some of these supposed Christian schools seem to have forgotten that they are not supposed to be following the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which does not condemn adultery, homosexuality, or anything really. Some things may be sins, but Christians are not supposed to judge or force anyone else to act any particular way.
Only the evil Old Testament does that, so then it is not Christian.

The New Testament condemns homosexuality, read Romans

Epic fail

Paul condemns it. Jesus never did.

The Bible is God's word, Jesus lived by it.

Written by men.

Through the Lord's guidance

I don't give two craps if you believe or don't believe but save the worn out responses

If you believe in your worn out response, it's okay by me.

Your problem is I don't care what's ok with you

Run along now

 

[miketx]

What's happening across this country is hard to understand until you realize the history of Odessa. You won't find much about it unless you add the N word to the search, and don't mean black people.