Differences between Obama's ban and Trump's latest EO on the Muslim ban...

[P@triot]

Yes you did - until I pointed out the idiocy of that statement.

Prove it, asshole.

I already did. Ask an adult for help.

 

[GaryDog]

Yes you did - until I pointed out the idiocy of that statement.

Prove it, asshole.

I already did. Ask an adult for help.

LMAO, no you simply made an assertion. It's not backed up by any of my posts, because I never said foreigners have constitutional rights (though in some cases, like if they hold permanent residency here, they do).

I see why you're having so much trouble with these consistent Trump losses in federal court. You don't understand burden of proof!

 

[GaryDog]

Uh, no, at best they'd deadlock 4-4, and the 9th circuit would hold.

Uh.....no....even the radical political activists who violate their oath (such as Ginsburg and Kagen) recognize the constitutional authority of the President to execute his national security duties. The president does not need a "reason" to deny foreigners access to the United States. Period.

He needs a reason to specifically ban a religion, yes. And you'll enjoy yet another 9th circuit loss, and yet another Donny Tantrum.

 

[Indeependent]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

So you're admitting that Trump FIRST ban was as Constitutional as Obama's ban.
Good!

 

[P@triot]

He needs a reason to specifically ban a religion, yes.

He didn't ban a religion, snowflake.

This is now the fourth false narrative you have created because I provided facts humiliating you on your first three.

President Trump banned travel from specific nations. He did not "ban a religion". Every muslim in America is still completely free to practice islam.

 

[P@triot]

And you'll enjoy yet another 9th circuit loss

It's good that you rightfully recognized the 9th circuit is not a court. They are political activists who push the radical left-wing agenda. They are a joke. And they are irrelevant because the higher court always overturns them.

In any case - President Trump rewrote the original Executive Order, it is currently in play, and there is nothing your uneducated, ignorant ass can do about it.

Now tell everyone again how President Trump "banned religion". That was my favorite part.

 

[GaryDog]

And you'll enjoy yet another 9th circuit loss

It's good that you rightfully recognized the 9th circuit is not a court. They are political activists who push the radical left-wing agenda. They are a joke. And they are irrelevant because the higher court always overturns them.

In any case - President Trump rewrote the original Executive Order, it is currently in play, and there is nothing your uneducated, ignorant ass can do about it.

Now tell everyone again how President Trump "banned religion". That was my favorite part.

There are three other circuits with a record of being overturned more often than the 9th.

No, 9th Circuit isn't 'most overturned court in the country'

I'd wish you luck in dealing with being wrong yet again, but you seem to be used to it.

 

[GaryDog]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

So you're admitting that Trump FIRST ban was as Constitutional as Obama's ban.
Good!

Obama's wasn't a ban. No refugees were ever denied entry during his 6 month period. And it was directly related to the Iraq War, so there was a constitutional reason for his EO.

 

[Indeependent]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

So you're admitting that Trump FIRST ban was as Constitutional as Obama's ban.
Good!

Obama's wasn't a ban. No refugees were ever denied entry during his 6 month period. And it was directly related to the Iraq War, so there was a constitutional reason for his EO.

It was 11 months and no one complained.

 

[GaryDog]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

So you're admitting that Trump FIRST ban was as Constitutional as Obama's ban.
Good!

Obama's wasn't a ban. No refugees were ever denied entry during his 6 month period. And it was directly related to the Iraq War, so there was a constitutional reason for his EO.

It was 11 months and no one complained.

Jesus fucking christ you people...

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

“President Obama never imposed a six-month ban on Iraqi processing. For several months in 2011, there was a lower level of Iraqi resettlement, as the government implemented certain security enhancements. Indeed, as we identified new and valuable opportunities to enhance screening, we did so. Nobody should object to a continual effort to identify legitimate enhancements, but it is disreputable to use that as a pretext to effectively shut down a program that is overwhelmingly safe and has enabled the United States to exercise world leadership. In any event, there was never a point during that period in which Iraqi resettlement was stopped, or banned.”

 

[Indeependent]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

So you're admitting that Trump FIRST ban was as Constitutional as Obama's ban.
Good!

Obama's wasn't a ban. No refugees were ever denied entry during his 6 month period. And it was directly related to the Iraq War, so there was a constitutional reason for his EO.

It was 11 months and no one complained.

Jesus fucking christ you people...

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

“President Obama never imposed a six-month ban on Iraqi processing. For several months in 2011, there was a lower level of Iraqi resettlement, as the government implemented certain security enhancements. Indeed, as we identified new and valuable opportunities to enhance screening, we did so. Nobody should object to a continual effort to identify legitimate enhancements, but it is disreputable to use that as a pretext to effectively shut down a program that is overwhelmingly safe and has enabled the United States to exercise world leadership. In any event, there was never a point during that period in which Iraqi resettlement was stopped, or banned.”

The WasherWomansCompost...very legitimate.
Didn't they predict Trump losing the election the day after Trump won?

 

[P@triot]

He needs a reason to specifically ban a religion, yes.

Yes folks....HairyDog really did just say that.

 

[P@triot]

And you'll enjoy yet another 9th circuit loss

It's good that you rightfully recognized the 9th circuit is not a court. They are political activists who push the radical left-wing agenda. They are a joke. And they are irrelevant because the higher court always overturns them.

In any case - President Trump rewrote the original Executive Order, it is currently in play, and there is nothing your uneducated, ignorant ass can do about it.

Now tell everyone again how President Trump "banned religion". That was my favorite part.

There are three other circuits with a record of being overturned more often than the 9th.

No, 9th Circuit isn't 'most overturned court in the country'

I'd wish you luck in dealing with being wrong yet again, but you seem to be used to it.

And where exactly in my post did I state that the 9th circuit was (and I quote) "the most overturned in the country"?

Your reading comprehension is atrocious. No wonder your confused by the U.S. Constitution. You see what you want to see instead of what is written.