Differences between Obama's ban and Trump's latest EO on the Muslim ban...

[Darkwind]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

What Muslim ban?

The one that targets Muslims in 7 countries.

In fact, it targets all citizens from nations that fail to provide the US with the necessary and legal documents needed to vet immigrants and refugees. The very nations that have active terrorist training locations, and the very nations that Barack Obama's administration identified as threats.

The "Temporary hold" on immigrants and refugees from those nations are a prudent, legal, and smart thing to do.

Wrong. It provides for an explicit exception for 'minority religions' which even you can figure out is code for 'Christians'.

That's targeting Muslims, since Muslims are not a minority in any of these countries.

Go ahead and deny it, as is your habit.

You wouldn't know what code is if we gave you a ring with the cipher.

 

[hadit]

There is no "Muslim ban". If you can find it, please post the portion of the EO text that specifies there is a "Muslim ban". Quite frankly, if you're going to complain about stuff that simply doesn't exist, there's not much point in arguing about it.

Its NO USE....you right wingers would rather change the English language than to "offend" the ego of Trump.......

Here is what has FACTUALLY occurred:


The executive order was signed at 4:42 p.m. Eastern on Friday. The full text can be found here. It does not affect naturalized United States citizens from the seven named countries.

After the order was signed, students, visitors and green-card-holding legal permanent United States residents from the seven countries — and refugees from around the world — were stopped at airports in the United States and abroad, including Cairo, Dubai and Istanbul. Some were blocked from entering the United States and were sent back overseas.

If you choose NOT to call it a ban.....just have another drink and forget about it.

So, IOW, there is no "Muslim ban", because Muslims are still entering and traveling through the US. The EO does not ban Muslims. What we have here is a fake label.

 

[P@triot]

This is why we need the ban. This is repulsive - and had I been on that flight those muslims would have lost teeth, found themselves on the tarmac, and this lady would have flown in her original seat...

Tragic that you nat4900 are fighting for this kind of discrimination instead of against it... But not all that surprising. Dumbocrats long history of hating women and treating them as nothing more than sexual objects is only surpassed by their long history of ugly racism.

 

[P@triot]

Oops....

 

[P@triot]

Famed Liberal lawyer admits: "If Obama issued the same travel ban as Trump, courts would have upheld it":

 

[GaryDog]

Famed Liberal lawyer admits: "If Obama issued the same travel ban as Trump, courts would have upheld it":

No. Arbitrary travel bans based on religion are unconstitutional no matter who imposes them.

 

[P@triot]

No. Arbitrary travel bans based on religion are unconstitutional no matter who imposes them.

No. Really. They are not. There is no constitutional right for foreigners to have access to the United States. None. It doesn't exist and it never has. The U.S. can restrict access by foreigners any time, for anyone, for any reason. Period.

I'll never understand why left-wingers engage in debate about the U.S. Constitution when they've never read it and they hate it.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Famed Liberal lawyer admits: "If Obama issued the same travel ban as Trump, courts would have upheld it":

No. Arbitrary travel bans based on religion are unconstitutional no matter who imposes them.

No they are not and anyway, this ban has nothing to do with religion. Do try and keep up.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

No. Arbitrary travel bans based on religion are unconstitutional no matter who imposes them.

No. Really. They are not. There is no constitutional right for foreigners to have access to the United States. None. It doesn't exist and it never has. The U.S. can restrict access by foreigners any time, for anyone, for any reason. Period.

I'll never understand why left-wingers engage in debate about the U.S. Constitution when they've never read it and they hate it.

Most of the lefties on this board are woefully ignorant. Not all, but most.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

Did the Boston bombers enter the U.S. as refugees?

As children.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No, answer the question..what Muslim ban?

yeah, sorry, you're "right", my mistake......Trump has actually placed a ban on Lutherans.....

He hasn't placed a ban on anyone.

Nothing that hasn't failed anyway.

 

[P@triot]

Most of the lefties on this board are woefully ignorant. Not all, but most.

Most of the left-wing in the United States are woefully ignorant. Not all, but most.

 

[GaryDog]

No they are not and anyway, this ban has nothing to do with religion. Do try and keep up.

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How Trump's Tweets Helped Convince the Appeals Court to Reject His Travel Ban

 

[GaryDog]

No. Arbitrary travel bans based on religion are unconstitutional no matter who imposes them.

No. Really. They are not. There is no constitutional right for foreigners to have access to the United States. None. It doesn't exist and it never has. The U.S. can restrict access by foreigners any time, for anyone, for any reason. Period.

I'll never understand why left-wingers engage in debate about the U.S. Constitution when they've never read it and they hate it.

You can't restrict travel for "no reason", and that's what Trump has done. There is literally no good reason for his action. Arbitrary and capricious executive orders are illegal. They're particularly insidious when there's no reason for a ban, AND the orders target a specific group based on an immutable characteristic.

 

[depotoo]

No, the only difference is one was signed by a Dem, the other a Rep.

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

 

[P@triot]

No they are not and anyway, this ban has nothing to do with religion. Do try and keep up.

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's not nearly as funny as your astoundingly ignorant belief that foreigners have a constitutional right to access the United States.

 

[GaryDog]

No, the only difference is one was signed by a Dem, the other a Rep.

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

So what you're saying is you can't read?

 

[GaryDog]

No they are not and anyway, this ban has nothing to do with religion. Do try and keep up.

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's not nearly as funny as your astoundingly ignorant belief that foreigners have a constitutional right to access the United States.

It's not about the rights of foreigners, fuckstick. It's about the limits to executive authority, something you so-called "conservatives" used to give a shit about.

 

[P@triot]

You can't restrict travel for "no reason", and that's what Trump has done. There is literally no good reason for his action. Arbitrary and capricious executive orders are illegal. They're particularly insidious when there's no reason for a ban, AND the orders target a specific group based on an immutable characteristic.

No...really...you can. President Trump doesn't need a reason to prevent foreigners from entering the United States. The fact that you think he needs a "reason" is as hilarious as it is ignorant. You sound like a 4th grader with your uninformed "logic".

The U.S. Constitution doesn't guarantee foreigners anything - especially access to the United States. Furthermore - the very constitutional, passed by Congress, Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 grants the President of the United States full authority to prevent any and all non-U.S. citizen from entering the United States under his National Security powers.

I'm sorry - just because you hate President Trump and/or law doesn't mean you get to go on message boards and create your own. It doesn't work that way, snowflake. Your certainly welcome to lie about it (as you have been doing), but it won't change reality. We still will block any nation for any reason from entering the United States (and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it). Even famed left-wing attorney Allen Durschowitz admitted it was 100% constitutional and would have been upheld by the lower court had it been issued by Barack Obama.