Differences between Obama's ban and Trump's latest EO on the Muslim ban...

[nat4900]

What Muslim ban?

Go back to sleep....

 

[SassyIrishLass]

What Muslim ban?

Go back to sleep....

No, answer the question..what Muslim ban?

 

[nat4900]

No, answer the question..what Muslim ban?

yeah, sorry, you're "right", my mistake......Trump has actually placed a ban on Lutherans.....

 

[SassyIrishLass]

No, answer the question..what Muslim ban?

yeah, sorry, you're "right", my mistake......Trump has actually placed a ban on Lutherans.....

A Jew got banned from entering yesterday....so what Muslim ban?

 

[Darkwind]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

What Muslim ban?

The one that targets Muslims in 7 countries.

In fact, it targets all citizens from nations that fail to provide the US with the necessary and legal documents needed to vet immigrants and refugees. The very nations that have active terrorist training locations, and the very nations that Barack Obama's administration identified as threats.

The "Temporary hold" on immigrants and refugees from those nations are a prudent, legal, and smart thing to do.

 

[Darkwind]

What Muslim ban?

Go back to sleep....

How about you wake the fuck up?

There is no Muslim ban. There isn't even a ban at all.

 

[Darkwind]

No, answer the question..what Muslim ban?

yeah, sorry, you're "right", my mistake......Trump has actually placed a ban on Lutherans.....

He hasn't placed a ban on anyone.

 

[P@triot]

Liberals are exuding the pungent smell of desperation since Trump took office. .... ..

Trust me....ole Nat there had that smell LONG before Donald Trump arrived on the scene

 

[P@triot]

Trump’s policy is much more sweeping...

Well duh.... Barack Obama was a community organizer who had never held a job. Donald Trump is one of the world's wealthiest and most successful businessmen. Of course Trump is going to be more thorough!

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

That is just claim of proof by degree, not absolvance...i.e. in terms of policy it is a distinction without a difference

 

[bendog]

You're "parroting" WAPO

No alt facts

 

[WillReadmore]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

That is just claim of proof by degree, not absolvance...i.e. in terms of policy it is a distinction without a difference

It is a major difference.

None of the chaos would have happened had Trump directed an approach such as Obama's approach.

And, the hardship Trump inflicted on those who had passed vetting would not have occurred - such as on those who had green cards, those who sold property or otherwise ended their stay in one of these countries in preparation for leaving only to be stopped at some US airport, those swept up at airports denied lawyers, sent back unnecessarily, etc.


This was a fiasco of ineptitude, which spilled over in the world press as a profoundly anti-Muslim act, casting the US as hypocritical and xenophobic.

Even Republican congressmen are calling this out as a serious mistake.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

That is just claim of proof by degree, not absolvance...i.e. in terms of policy it is a distinction without a difference

It is a major difference.

None of the chaos would have happened had Trump directed an approach such as Obama's approach.

And, the hardship Trump inflicted on those who had passed vetting would not have occurred - such as on those who had green cards, those who sold property or otherwise ended their stay in one of these countries in preparation for leaving only to be stopped at some US airport, those swept up at airports denied lawyers, sent back unnecessarily, etc.


This was a fiasco of ineptitude, which spilled over in the world press as a profoundly anti-Muslim act, casting the US as hypocritical and xenophobic.

Even Republican congressmen are calling this out as a serious mistake.

k

 

[nat4900]

k

One of your more "profound" posts.....LOL

 

[Frankeneinstein]

k

One of your more "profound" posts.....LOL

One of?

 

[bendog]

You're "parroting" WAPO

No alt facts

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

That is just claim of proof by degree, not absolvance...i.e. in terms of policy it is a distinction without a difference

It is a major difference.

None of the chaos would have happened had Trump directed an approach such as Obama's approach.

And, the hardship Trump inflicted on those who had passed vetting would not have occurred - such as on those who had green cards, those who sold property or otherwise ended their stay in one of these countries in preparation for leaving only to be stopped at some US airport, those swept up at airports denied lawyers, sent back unnecessarily, etc.


This was a fiasco of ineptitude, which spilled over in the world press as a profoundly anti-Muslim act, casting the US as hypocritical and xenophobic.

Even Republican congressmen are calling this out as a serious mistake.

And totally unnecessary to accomplish legit problems with immigration from dangerous areas. It was like they intended to piss off people like the Iraqis whom we need to get after ISIS

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You're "parroting" WAPO

No alt facts

How can facts be "alternative"? That's like saying water is wet but can be dry.

 

[hadit]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

There is no "Muslim ban". If you can find it, please post the portion of the EO text that specifies there is a "Muslim ban". Quite frankly, if you're going to complain about stuff that simply doesn't exist, there's not much point in arguing about it.

 

[nat4900]

There is no "Muslim ban". If you can find it, please post the portion of the EO text that specifies there is a "Muslim ban". Quite frankly, if you're going to complain about stuff that simply doesn't exist, there's not much point in arguing about it.

Its NO USE....you right wingers would rather change the English language than to "offend" the ego of Trump.......

Here is what has FACTUALLY occurred:


The executive order was signed at 4:42 p.m. Eastern on Friday. The full text can be found here. It does not affect naturalized United States citizens from the seven named countries.

After the order was signed, students, visitors and green-card-holding legal permanent United States residents from the seven countries — and refugees from around the world — were stopped at airports in the United States and abroad, including Cairo, Dubai and Istanbul. Some were blocked from entering the United States and were sent back overseas.

If you choose NOT to call it a ban.....just have another drink and forget about it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Parroting what is spewed on FOX and other right wing outlets, conservatives on here keep on "thinking" that what Obama did in 2011 and what Trump has just done on the Muslim immigration ban were the same...
The actions of the 2 presidents are NOT THE SAME....

So what’s the difference between what Obama did, with Trump’s action on the current Muslim ban ?

First, Obama responded to an actual threat — the discovery that two Iraqi refugees had been implicated in bomb-making in Iraq that had targeted U.S. troops. (Iraq, after all, was a war zone.) Under congressional pressure, officials decided to reexamine all previous refugees and impose new screening procedures, which led to a slowdown in processing new applications. Trump, by contrast, issued his executive order without any known triggering threat. (His staff has pointed to attacks unrelated to the countries named in his order.)

Second, Obama did not announce a ban on visa applications. ……There was certainly a lot of news reporting that visa applications had slowed to a trickle. But the Obama administration never said it had a policy to halt all applications. Indeed, it is now clear that no ban was put in place.

Third, Obama’s policy did not prevent all citizens of that country, including green-card holders, from traveling to the United States. Trump’s policy is much more sweeping, though officials have appeared to pull back from barring permanent U.S. residents.

Iraqi refugee processing was slowed, in response to a specific threat, but it was not halted. The Trump White House, meanwhile, has failed to provide any evidence for its statement.

Trump’s facile claim that his refugee policy is similar to Obama’s in 2011

What Muslim ban?

The one that targets Muslims in 7 countries.

In fact, it targets all citizens from nations that fail to provide the US with the necessary and legal documents needed to vet immigrants and refugees. The very nations that have active terrorist training locations, and the very nations that Barack Obama's administration identified as threats.

The "Temporary hold" on immigrants and refugees from those nations are a prudent, legal, and smart thing to do.

Wrong. It provides for an explicit exception for 'minority religions' which even you can figure out is code for 'Christians'.

That's targeting Muslims, since Muslims are not a minority in any of these countries.

Go ahead and deny it, as is your habit.