Zone1 Do most Jews believe they killed Jesus?

[Carl in Michigan]

Did Jews support the execution for a while throughout history and only in the last 100 years say it wasn't right to execute? When did they change their minds?

The masses were open to Jesus and His message. He Threatened the comfy Jewish establishment.

 

[Indeependent]

Peter is another matter altogether.

 

[Lisa558]

Peter is another matter altogether.

I think Paul was more trouble, though. But all of this really is not Jesus’ fault. He was just trying to expand on Judaism - sometimes not in the best ways, but most of his sermons were reinforcing Jewish values.

 

[irosie91]

The masses were open to Jesus and His message. He Threatened the comfy Jewish establishment.

from where do you derive that ^^^ notion? As to the "comfy jewish establishment" the era was that of
Roman occupation and oppression. What do you imagine was "comfy" about it. The romans were crucifying jews right and left and extorting up and down. Your jelly bean lady LIED

 

[irosie91]

I think Paul was more trouble, though. But all of this really is not Jesus’ fault. He was just trying to expand on Judaism - sometimes not in the best ways, but most of his sermons were reinforcing Jewish values.

IMO----paul was a nut-----actually a greek he had a notion that he was going to create a WORLD based on jewish culture

 

[Lisa558]

IMO----paul was a nut-----actually a greek he had a notion that he was going to create a WORLD based on jewish culture

His original name was Saul, for those interested.

 

[irosie91]

His original name was Saul, for those interested.

and the son of greek converts

 

[irosie91]

what issue?

circe----you have any plan to tell me on WHAT ISSUE you believe I should CHECK?

 

[Indeependent]

I think Paul was more trouble, though. But all of this really is not Jesus’ fault. He was just trying to expand on Judaism - sometimes not in the best ways, but most of his sermons were reinforcing Jewish values.

“Peter” was far from the villain he is portrayed from.
“Paul” was a reconstructionist Jew who didn’t know his ass from his elbow, similar to most of today’s Reform Rabbis.
Paul’s popularity was weak at best as the Jews who wanted nothing to do with Judaism had no interest in religion whatsoever.

 

[irosie91]

Noted in the Gospels.

"noted in the gospels"----and no corroborating
evidence that the WHOLE SANHEDRIN was out to kill
Jesus for saying "sins are forgiven" whatevah that is
supposed to mean------so then DA JOOOS hoodwinked the romans into DOING THE DEED because there were no jews who knew how to kill a man who walked freely in the streets of Jerusalem?

 

[Meriweather]

and no corroborating
evidence that the WHOLE SANHEDRIN was out to kill
Jesus for saying "sins are forgiven"

Not what I said; never mentioned the Sanhedrin.

 

[irosie91]

Not what I said; never mentioned the Sanhedrin.

oh---ok --SOMEONE said it-----uhm----one of the usual suspects

 

[irosie91]

You might want to check Wikipedia on that issue.

still waiting----WHAT ISSUE?

 

[BreezeWood]

Other than Xtians using that to kill us, we don't think about it. Now or then. I know it seems hard for Xtians to understand, but we are not obsessed with Jesus.

howabout bringing the crucifiers to justice, both jews and 4th century christians ...

All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!” Matthew 27:24-25

the exemplars message was liberation theology, self determination ... they new they hadn't a chance ... then or maybe ever.

 

[BreezeWood]

Would ancient Hebrews have been offended by someone who claimed to be God?

- the exemplar denied the accusation, the jews accused them of. and 4th century christians madeup for their false religion.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jews have been blamed for this for 2,000 years - and lot of Jews were expelled, tortured, and murdered for centuries as a result. Very sad that the 1st century Christians started it.

But it’s not Jesus’ fault.

liar -

there were no 1st century christians those others persecuted and victimized till vanquished by the 4th century religion of servitude died for the same reason, self determination for their judgment and admission to the heavens.

 

[Leviticus]

I think you have your Herods mixed up. Herod Antipas ruled Galilee. He died in 39 AD.

Herod Antipas in the Bible and Beyond

Who was Herod Antipas? This son and successor of Herod the Great ruled Galilee when Jesus lived, and he participated in the trial of Jesus.

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

Harod Antpas and took the throne in 4BC, was Harod the Great's nephew. But most of the details in the biblical account are things associated with Herod the Great, not Harod Antipas There was some debate over which of them was the king mentioned in the story. The writers attributes things that both did. Harod the great, for example, had a stepdaughter, one of the central point in the story of John the Babtist, Harod Antipas did not have a stepdaughter. Most of the details of the biblical account point to Harod the great being King Harod.

Scholars debate whether Jesus was born earlier than they originally thought, during the reign of Harod the Great, who died in 4BC, or if the writers simply mixed up the two kings.

 

[surada]

Harod Antpas and took the throne in 4BC, was Harod the Great's nephew. But most of the details in the biblical account are things associated with Herod the Great, not Harod Antipas There was some debate over which of them was the king mentioned in the story. The writers attributes things that both did. Harod the great, for example, had a stepdaughter, one of the central point in the story of John the Babtist, Harod Antipas did not have a stepdaughter. Most of the details of the biblical account point to Harod the great being King Harod.

Scholars debate whether Jesus was born earlier than they originally thought, during the reign of Harod the Great, who died in 4BC, or if the writers simply mixed up the two kings.

Herod the Great died in 4 BC... I think you have it mixed up.

Herod | Biography, Facts, Reign, Temple, & Jesus

Herod, Roman-appointed king of Judea (37-4 BCE), who built many fortresses, aqueducts, theaters, and other public buildings but who was the center of political and family intrigues in his later years. The New Testament portrays him as a tyrant, into whose kingdom Jesus of Nazareth was born.

www.britannica.com

 

[surada]

Queen Berniece was the daughter of Herod Agrippa. She was the mistress of Titus. Now I'm confused.

Berenice (daughter of Herod Agrippa) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[surada]

Herod Antipas | Biography, Jesus, John the Baptist, & Facts

Herod Antipas, son of Herod I the Great who became tetrarch (ruler of a minor principality in the Roman Empire) of Galilee, in northern Palestine, and Peraea, east of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea, and ruled throughout Jesus of Nazareth’s ministry.

www.britannica.com