Zone1 Do most Jews believe they killed Jesus?

[BackAgain]

I wonder if the Romans and later Italians decided that it would be helpful to “blame the Jews.”

 

[irosie91]

Read the Gospels. Jesus got into trouble by declaring, Sins are forgiven.
It appears the politically minded Jews asserted that Jesus had no authority to announce the forgiveness of sins. Jesus claimed God gave him the authority.

The Romans had apparently arrested a man known as Barabbas for causing an insurrection. Annas and Caiaphas, Temple leaders at the time, convinced the Romans they had the wrong man, that the true troublemaker was this man Jesus who also called himself Barabbas (Son of the Father), insisting God was his Father. And, to Annas and Caiaphas, Jesus was indeed a troublemaker, but they had no authority to put him to death.


Catholic teaching is that Jesus willingly laid down his life over his announcement that sins of the world are forgiven. He shed his blood as the sign of this New Covenant/Testament of God. He was raised from the dead. His authority to declare sins are forgiven and the sign given to those who demanded such.

That all Jews were blamed for the actions of those men who were attempting to protect the Temple--hence the Jewish way of life--happened a few generations later.

Meriweather ---the very best that can be said
about your historic reconstruction is that it is
INTENSELY CREATIVE and IMAGINATIVE. It also evinces a dense ignorance regarding the two
players Caiaphas and Annas. BTW---you have a
citation for your claim that "JESUS ANNOUNCED---
"SINS ARE FORGIVEN" that momentous announcement was never afforded the benefit of a
notation? ----even back then----lots of people
could write,

 

[Lisa558]

Learn some manners and we can talk.

You said the F-word. I wouldn’t be lecturing others about manners.

 

[Meriweather]

"SINS ARE FORGIVEN" that momentous announcement was never afforded the benefit of a
notation?

Noted in the Gospels.

 

[Lisa558]

Your mom was definitely a Jew.

My mom was always cold, so naturally I had to put on a sweater.

 

[irosie91]

I wonder if the Romans and later Italians decided that it would be helpful to “blame the Jews.”

Simple politics----kinda like "who screwed up on the gas prices"

We laughed at them and they were ostracized.

so true-----contrary to the teachings of the jelly beaners-----weird people were excused for mental
illness. They were not executed and CERTAINLY NOT
CRUCIFIED

Noted in the Gospels.

what is noted in "the gospels"?

 

[irosie91]

utterly incorrect IN ROMAN OCCUPIED JUDEA---the only reason for crucifixion was SEDITION AGAINST ROME. If a jew killed a jew----the romans
yawned. If a jew attacked a roman soldier----the jew would be crucified. Simple theft was a YAWN----from the romans----adjudicated locally and NEVER
CAPITAL unless the theft involved ROMAN PROPERTY.
in all of the history of the Sanhedrin---no one was
EXECUTED for simple violation of the sabbath and
CERTAINLY NOT CURE OF ILLNESS------of course suradie agree with your idiot reconstruction

note---suradie responded with giggling because
she knows absolutely nothing about Jewish
jurisprudence ---(and nothing about islamic
jurisprudence either)

 

[Circe]

Crucifixion is Greek and Roman

Yes, it was, by the Romans and occasionally by Hellenic Greeks. And that Jesus was executed by Romans is very well attested, after all.

 

[irosie91]

Meriweather ---the very best that can be said
about your historic reconstruction is that it is
INTENSELY CREATIVE and IMAGINATIVE. It also evinces a dense ignorance regarding the two
players Caiaphas and Annas. BTW---you have a
citation for your claim that "JESUS ANNOUNCED---
"SINS ARE FORGIVEN" that momentous announcement was never afforded the benefit of a
notation? ----even back then----lots of people
could write,

still waiting for the "SIN IS FORGIVEN' edict which
got Jesus "IN TROUBLE WITH THE SANHEDRIN"
records --------ANYONE? what was the penalty
declared by the SANHEDRIN for saying "sin is
forgiven" ????? still waiting

 

[irosie91]

Yes, it was, by the Romans and occasionally by Hellenic Greeks. And that Jesus was executed by Romans is very well attested, after all.

yes it is------and VERY IMPORTANT in the case of Jesus-----the Romans DID NOT CRUCIFY people for
violations of JEWISH LAW. As to greeks---they were
actually eager crucifiers------in war and in response to
civil issues like slave insurrections

 

[Circe]

yes it is------and VERY IMPORTANT in the case of Jesus-----the Romans DID NOT CRUCIFY people for
violations of JEWISH LAW. As to greeks---they were
actually eager crucifiers------in war and in response to
civil issues like slave insurrections

You might want to check Wikipedia on that issue.

 

[irosie91]

You might want to check Wikipedia on that issue.

what issue?

 

[Lisa558]

Jews have been blamed for this for 2,000 years - and lot of Jews were expelled, tortured, and murdered for centuries as a result. Very sad that the 1st century Christians started it.

But it’s not Jesus’ fault.

 

[irosie91]

Jews have been blamed for this for 2,000 years - and lot of Jews were expelled, tortured, and murdered for centuries as a result. Very sad that the 1st century Christians started it.

But it’s not Jesus’ fault.

Jesus was a VICTIM----another pharisee jew tortured to death by the Romans

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus was a VICTIM----another pharisee jew tortured to death by the Romans

Exactly. Very sad what happened to him. The problems for Jews was Peter’s doing.

 

[irosie91]

Exactly. Very sad what happened to him. The problems for Jews was Peter’s doing.

why peter?

 

[Lisa558]

why peter?

Because he’s really the one who started a separate religion, which I do not believe was Jesus’ intent at all, and from there the Gospels were written in which Jews were demonized and blamed for Jesus’ murder. The rest - the persecutions, the expulsions, the demonization, the mass slaughter, etc. - is history.

 

[ding]

You said the F-word. I wouldn’t be lecturing others about manners.

She's had that coming for over a year.

 

[Meriweather]

Because he’s really the one who started a separate religion, which I do not believe was Jesus’ intent at all, and from there the Gospels were written in which Jews were demonized and blamed for Jesus’ murder. The rest - the persecutions, the expulsions, the demonization, the mass slaughter, etc. - is history.

What exactly did Peter do? And, are you sure you are not referring to Paul? More people say it was Paul who was most responsible for a new religion because of his affiliation with Gentiles.

 

[Lisa558]

What exactly did Peter do? And, are you sure you are not referring to Paul? More people say it was Paul who was most responsible for a new religion because of his affiliation with Gentiles.

Dang!! You’re right - I’m meant Paul. Oops.