Do not vote for Hillary Clinton.

[Iceweasel]

obama wants her to win because he knows she will end up making him look good.

Just as Bush Baby Jr. had done for him.

Huh?

 

[Ray9]

Fenton Lum is correct. We may indeed be just attacking windmills in this election or any election for that matter. Some older folk still hold out hope that they can have some influence on their destinies or more importantly the destinies of their children. Maybe it's too late. I hope not.

 

[Iceweasel]

Fenton Lum is correct. We may indeed be just attacking windmills in this election or any election for that matter. Some older folk still hold out hope that they can have some influence on their destinies or more importantly the destinies of their children. Maybe it's too late. I hope not.

Who ends up on the SCOTUS bench is what will determine our foreseeable future. If you want socialism, Hillary is your pick.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL I am 72, and for at least 66 of those years, I can remember people stating how everything was going to hell in a handbasket and things were better at some time in the past. I don't recall what people were saying before I was six, but probably the same. Clear back to Egyptian times.

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had. Mostly I find that those most bewailing the present, worshiping the past, are those that are not doing a thing to improve their present position, nor doing a thing to help anyone else. The Sad Sacks of our society, always dissatisfied with the way things are, and looking backward to some mythical time that never was.

 

[The Great Goose]

LOL I am 72, and for at least 66 of those years, I can remember people stating how everything was going to hell in a handbasket and things were better at some time in the past. I don't recall what people were saying before I was six, but probably the same. Clear back to Egyptian times.

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had. Mostly I find that those most bewailing the present, worshiping the past, are those that are not doing a thing to improve their present position, nor doing a thing to help anyone else. The Sad Sacks of our society, always dissatisfied with the way things are, and looking backward to some mythical time that never was.

Nah.

 

[jwoodie]

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had.

Your parents were probably born around 1920 and your grandparents in the 1800s. Not a very comforting argument for our children and grandchildren, who will have to bear the immense financial burdens we baby boomers have placed on them. Do you really think they will be better off?

 

[Dot Com]

These are strange times we live in. Stranger still is the disquieting fact that the strangeness is apparently not recognized by about half the population. Baby Boomers who were forced to read dystopian novels by George Orwell and Aldous Huxley in school now know why. Beginning in about 1964 a great change in the way the United States is governed was set into motion. The War on Poverty and the Great society were railroaded into the American mainstream by academics and politicians to create a large underclass dependent on government for the calculated purpose of expanding government by abridging the free destinies of average citizens.


In the fifty plus years since these poison seeds were planted, government has exploded to the point where factions of the population are so deeply embedded in and dependent on the process that they take to the streets burning and looting cities to resist any change in that process even if it’s for their own benefit. Quasi fascist mass movements like “Black Lives Matter” pose a divisive and discordant threat to the survival or our society but the people throwing the bricks and bottles can’t be blamed. The blame lies with a government that fosters racial antipathy and uses it as a strategy for its continued growth.


In addition our cities are under attack by interlopers from uncivilized, medieval, Middle Eastern states separated from our shores by vast oceans and immense geography. Our academically-inspired big government has solved this problem by dislocating national sovereignty under the banner of refugee resettlement and by implanting the hatred directly into the midst of our communities where improvised bombs detonate with a frequency that resembles Northern Ireland a few decades ago. Revolutionaries who mentored Barrack Obama like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn must be in seventh heaven right now even though they are likely too old and too weak to properly throw a Molotov cocktail. Very few people appear to connect the dots because they have been so thoroughly brainwashed by propaganda bolstered by political correctness and disguised as education.


This coming election is not just about Republicans and Democrats; it’s about the very soul of our nation and the futures of our children and grandchildren. It should be clear by now that the educational system in the United States long ago ceased to be a center for critical thinking and in fact has been functioning as a propaganda mechanism for the government that lavishly supports it. Public sector unions, Cadillac pension and medical plans and job security that make tenured recipients the closest thing in nature to immovable objects are powerful incentives for educators to abandon the free exchange of ideas and jump on the book-burning bandwagon of political correctness.


Average citizens who have been dispossessed of company-paid pension and medical plans and a dignified secure living due to the corruption of government schemes like NAFTA should view this coming election as a wake-up call to take back their country from those who have kept all the best benefits for themselves at the expense of those who work the hardest. The central planning of the last five decades has not worked for our government just like it did not work for the Soviets. We should have learned by now that outcome-based social engineering does not work and the end never justifies the means. But the politicians and educators who have gathered all the golden eggs will not relinquish their treasure willingly. They’re in the process now of destroying our healthcare system and cognitively attenuating the population with targeted programs like Common Core.


The troubles in our society are not black people or poor people; they are bad people-bad people in government and bad people in education. Democrats in politics and education are afflicted with an almost Pavlovian fetish for European social democracies. We are not France or Norway. America has always been exceptional in the world due to a thriving and vibrant middle class-a middle class that is disappearing under the iron hand of globalist central planning. If you care about your freedom, if you care about you future, if you care about your children do not vote for Hillary Clinton.

Don't need to tell me 2x

 

[The Great Goose]

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had.

Your parents were probably born around 1920 and your grandparents in the 1800s. Not a very comforting argument for our children and grandchildren, who will have to bear the immense financial burdens we baby boomers have placed on them. Do you really think they will be better off?

Yes, it actually is getting worse. He's protected by the bubble we are sitting on.

 

[GLASNOST]

If you want socialism, Hillary is your pick.

I think that you haven't any clue about Socialism. In fact, I am certain that you do not.

Huh?

The statement made that Hillary will end up making Obama 'look good' is meant to be a comparison, yes? That is if she gets into office the country will realize that Obama wasn't so bad after all. After the fiasco that was Bush Baby Jr's 2 terms in office, Obama was (still is) looking better in comparison to that. All during Obama's first election campaign it was commonly regarded that Bush's performance had been a God send for Obama's popularity.

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had. Mostly I find that those most bewailing the present, worshiping the past, are those that are not doing a thing to improve their present position, nor doing a thing to help anyone else. The Sad Sacks of our society, always dissatisfied with the way things are, and looking backward to some mythical time that never was.

Since the end of WW II the country has been in a steady slide towards Fascism. I'd say that a few of the milestones along the way towards Fascism have been Operation TP Ajax during Eisenhower's watch - Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you" speech - his assassination by fairly apparent CIA connections - Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam war - Nixon's Water Gate - Reagan's Iran Gate ....... and if anyone doubts that Fascist elements in US politics exists, Georgie Bush Jr.s world-wide treachery is the cherry on top of the cake. With all of that in mind one could say that Obama ain't so bad. But it is my guess that Obama is an interlude in Fascism's steady climb to neo-Stalinism, just as presidents such as Jimmie Carter and Gerald Ford had been. So I really do not understand what it is that you find 'happy' about present-day civilization. The times of the not very distant past (within our life-time) were of peace, of a surge forwards to racial and economic equality, of brotherhood. That was not a 'mythical time' and it was achieved by dissatisfaction by the population ready to revolt. These were no 'Sad Sacks of society'. Those were the heroes of recent history who are now being bad-mouthed today in order to speed up the process of Fascism.

 

[GLASNOST]

Fenton Lum is correct. We may indeed be just attacking windmills in this election or any election for that matter. Some older folk still hold out hope that they can have some influence on their destinies or more importantly the destinies of their children. Maybe it's too late. I hope not.

If there is any 'hope' that democracy exists it will be in the heads of the young, not the 'older folk'. The ballot-box cooking lesson in Florida (that ushered in Bush Baby 'pudding's proof' that Democracy is a hoax) pretty much had us 'older folk' removing our slippers, warming up a cup of milk, and heading for the comfort of a feather bed. What Bush then did in Irak was enough for many to start sending for take-away delivery pizza and checking to see if our life savings would cover our burial expenses.

 

[GLASNOST]

Great until the last paragraph wear you inexplicably disparaged France and Norway.

Yes.

American brainwashing. It's like when you get bible bashed. It's all awesome till they get to the end and say, " and this proves the existence of God" without it having any context with the preamble whatsoever

I now see what you mean. It seems we might have given the boy too much credit ….. too soon. His initial OP was a right beauty (sans the last paragraph, as you very rightly pointed out) but he hasn't responded to the comments we've made. It could be that he's got a secret agenda and he isn't quite ready to reveal it. Maybe he's waiting for the first salvos to be fired? Lord knows we didn't ambush him or force his back to the wall. So why hasn't he put us right, if putting us right is the correct thing to do? I think there's a bone buried somewhere nearby ….. and he's worried that if he speaks up we might discover its' location.

Could it be plagiarism we're dealing with, do you think?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

These are strange times we live in. Stranger still is the disquieting fact that the strangeness is apparently not recognized by about half the population. Baby Boomers who were forced to read dystopian novels by George Orwell and Aldous Huxley in school now know why. Beginning in about 1964 a great change in the way the United States is governed was set into motion. The War on Poverty and the Great society were railroaded into the American mainstream by academics and politicians to create a large underclass dependent on government for the calculated purpose of expanding government by abridging the free destinies of average citizens.


In the fifty plus years since these poison seeds were planted, government has exploded to the point where factions of the population are so deeply embedded in and dependent on the process that they take to the streets burning and looting cities to resist any change in that process even if it’s for their own benefit. Quasi fascist mass movements like “Black Lives Matter” pose a divisive and discordant threat to the survival or our society but the people throwing the bricks and bottles can’t be blamed. The blame lies with a government that fosters racial antipathy and uses it as a strategy for its continued growth.


In addition our cities are under attack by interlopers from uncivilized, medieval, Middle Eastern states separated from our shores by vast oceans and immense geography. Our academically-inspired big government has solved this problem by dislocating national sovereignty under the banner of refugee resettlement and by implanting the hatred directly into the midst of our communities where improvised bombs detonate with a frequency that resembles Northern Ireland a few decades ago. Revolutionaries who mentored Barrack Obama like Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn must be in seventh heaven right now even though they are likely too old and too weak to properly throw a Molotov cocktail. Very few people appear to connect the dots because they have been so thoroughly brainwashed by propaganda bolstered by political correctness and disguised as education.


This coming election is not just about Republicans and Democrats; it’s about the very soul of our nation and the futures of our children and grandchildren. It should be clear by now that the educational system in the United States long ago ceased to be a center for critical thinking and in fact has been functioning as a propaganda mechanism for the government that lavishly supports it. Public sector unions, Cadillac pension and medical plans and job security that make tenured recipients the closest thing in nature to immovable objects are powerful incentives for educators to abandon the free exchange of ideas and jump on the book-burning bandwagon of political correctness.


Average citizens who have been dispossessed of company-paid pension and medical plans and a dignified secure living due to the corruption of government schemes like NAFTA should view this coming election as a wake-up call to take back their country from those who have kept all the best benefits for themselves at the expense of those who work the hardest. The central planning of the last five decades has not worked for our government just like it did not work for the Soviets. We should have learned by now that outcome-based social engineering does not work and the end never justifies the means. But the politicians and educators who have gathered all the golden eggs will not relinquish their treasure willingly. They’re in the process now of destroying our healthcare system and cognitively attenuating the population with targeted programs like Common Core.


The troubles in our society are not black people or poor people; they are bad people-bad people in government and bad people in education. Democrats in politics and education are afflicted with an almost Pavlovian fetish for European social democracies. We are not France or Norway. America has always been exceptional in the world due to a thriving and vibrant middle class-a middle class that is disappearing under the iron hand of globalist central planning. If you care about your freedom, if you care about you future, if you care about your children do not vote for Hillary Clinton.

Hyperbolic, partisan nonsense.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Did you write this yourself? It's beautiful.

lol

You can't be serious.

It''s moronic.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

While I agree with much of what you've written here in terms of where the masses, we unsubstantial people find ourselves, you have much more of a partisan specific leftist versus rightist world view of how we got here and how we get out of here than do I. And I believe you are correct in your time frame, this has been under way for a bit over half a century. I do not however believe either of these disgusting choices once elected will result in any societal inflection point. I also no longer accept blaming politicians; way to easy, and we the public were right there with them, voting and believing, complaining but doing nothing differently, then, voting, believing, complaining and blaming others again. I also do not believe either party got us here or will deliver us. This entire rerigging of society was completely bipartisan all the way along. It is inevitably what any power structure will do, …. whatever the masses allow. So long as all the public is prepared to do is post, moan and complain, hurl partisan epithets at each other, blame the “other” side, vote, and return to the couch to await deliverance, here we shall remain; until we actually begin to change what we do. The power structure is quite content with where things are. “Both” sides. While I applaud your assertion that “the troubles in our society are not black people or poor people”, I don’t feel another scape goat group is correct either as it once again feeds into the divide and conquer paradigm that plays directly into the hands of the power structure. And it allows the public to avoid responsibility.

The OP is nothing but ignorance, lies, bigotry, and hate.

 

[The Great Goose]

Great until the last paragraph wear you inexplicably disparaged France and Norway.

Yes.

American brainwashing. It's like when you get bible bashed. It's all awesome till they get to the end and say, " and this proves the existence of God" without it having any context with the preamble whatsoever

I now see what you mean. It seems we might have given the boy too much credit ….. too soon. His initial OP was a right beauty (sans the last paragraph, as you very rightly pointed out) but he hasn't responded to the comments we've made. It could be that he's got a secret agenda and he isn't quite ready to reveal it. Maybe he's waiting for the first salvos to be fired? Lord knows we didn't ambush him or force his back to the wall. So why hasn't he put us right, if putting us right is the correct thing to do? I think there's a bone buried somewhere nearby ….. and he's worried that if he speaks up we might discover its' location.

Could it be plagiarism we're dealing with, do you think?

It's a very centrist view.

 

[Iceweasel]

If you want socialism, Hillary is your pick.

I think that you haven't any clue about Socialism. In fact, I am certain that you do not.

Huh?

The statement made that Hillary will end up making Obama 'look good' is meant to be a comparison, yes? That is if she gets into office the country will realize that Obama wasn't so bad after all. After the fiasco that was Bush Baby Jr's 2 terms in office, Obama was (still is) looking better in comparison to that. All during Obama's first election campaign it was commonly regarded that Bush's performance had been a God send for Obama's popularity.

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had. Mostly I find that those most bewailing the present, worshiping the past, are those that are not doing a thing to improve their present position, nor doing a thing to help anyone else. The Sad Sacks of our society, always dissatisfied with the way things are, and looking backward to some mythical time that never was.

Since the end of WW II the country has been in a steady slide towards Fascism. I'd say that a few of the milestones along the way towards Fascism have been Operation TP Ajax during Eisenhower's watch - Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you" speech - his assassination by fairly apparent CIA connections - Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam war - Nixon's Water Gate - Reagan's Iran Gate ....... and if anyone doubts that Fascist elements in US politics exists, Georgie Bush Jr.s world-wide treachery is the cherry on top of the cake. With all of that in mind one could say that Obama ain't so bad. But it is my guess that Obama is an interlude in Fascism's steady climb to neo-Stalinism, just as presidents such as Jimmie Carter and Gerald Ford had been. So I really do not understand what it is that you find 'happy' about present-day civilization. The times of the not very distant past (within our life-time) were of peace, of a surge forwards to racial and economic equality, of brotherhood. That was not a 'mythical time' and it was achieved by dissatisfaction by the population ready to revolt. These were no 'Sad Sacks of society'. Those were the heroes of recent history who are now being bad-mouthed today in order to speed up the process of Fascism.

You don't know what fascism is, don't lecture people about fascism or socialism. There was no Bush Jr. You are ignorant and the more you speak the more obvious it is.

 

[Ray9]

Remember this. Everything has a price and that price will come due at some point. When we get the bill we are encouraged to hand it to the next person on line-our child or grandchild. It is very selfish to dance at their expense and hand them the fiddler's fee. The economic collapse of 2008 should have alerted us to the fact that we are burdening future citizens for our mistakes. Nothing is for nothing in this world. Living for free could come at the expense of our freedom when the buck finally stops at those who decide they have had enough.

 

[Iceweasel]

Remember this. Everything has a price and that price will come due at some point. When we get the bill we are encouraged to hand it to the next person on line-our child or grandchild. It is very selfish to dance at their expense and hand them the fiddler's fee. The economic collapse of 2008 should have alerted us to the fact that we are burdening future citizens for our mistakes. Nothing is for nothing in this world. Living for free could come at the expense of our freedom when the buck finally stops at those who decide they have had enough.

I have no faith in the American public. They know it but don't care as long as they get theirs. This is a very materialistic culture that views the value of people by he who has the most toys wins. Workers and the trades are looked down on, until they are needed of course. But then it's forgotten.

 

[GLASNOST]

If you want socialism, Hillary is your pick.

I think that you haven't any clue about Socialism. In fact, I am certain that you do not.

Huh?

The statement made that Hillary will end up making Obama 'look good' is meant to be a comparison, yes? That is if she gets into office the country will realize that Obama wasn't so bad after all. After the fiasco that was Bush Baby Jr's 2 terms in office, Obama was (still is) looking better in comparison to that. All during Obama's first election campaign it was commonly regarded that Bush's performance had been a God send for Obama's popularity.

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had. Mostly I find that those most bewailing the present, worshiping the past, are those that are not doing a thing to improve their present position, nor doing a thing to help anyone else. The Sad Sacks of our society, always dissatisfied with the way things are, and looking backward to some mythical time that never was.

Since the end of WW II the country has been in a steady slide towards Fascism. I'd say that a few of the milestones along the way towards Fascism have been Operation TP Ajax during Eisenhower's watch - Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you" speech - his assassination by fairly apparent CIA connections - Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam war - Nixon's Water Gate - Reagan's Iran Gate ....... and if anyone doubts that Fascist elements in US politics exists, Georgie Bush Jr.s world-wide treachery is the cherry on top of the cake. With all of that in mind one could say that Obama ain't so bad. But it is my guess that Obama is an interlude in Fascism's steady climb to neo-Stalinism, just as presidents such as Jimmie Carter and Gerald Ford had been. So I really do not understand what it is that you find 'happy' about present-day civilization. The times of the not very distant past (within our life-time) were of peace, of a surge forwards to racial and economic equality, of brotherhood. That was not a 'mythical time' and it was achieved by dissatisfaction by the population ready to revolt. These were no 'Sad Sacks of society'. Those were the heroes of recent history who are now being bad-mouthed today in order to speed up the process of Fascism.

You don't know what fascism is, don't lecture people about fascism or socialism. There was no Bush Jr. You are ignorant and the more you speak the more obvious it is.

Your level of ignorance must be awfully painful. Yes, I see by your whistling in the dark that it must be painful, frustrating, and frightening for you.

 

[Iceweasel]

If you want socialism, Hillary is your pick.

I think that you haven't any clue about Socialism. In fact, I am certain that you do not.

Huh?

The statement made that Hillary will end up making Obama 'look good' is meant to be a comparison, yes? That is if she gets into office the country will realize that Obama wasn't so bad after all. After the fiasco that was Bush Baby Jr's 2 terms in office, Obama was (still is) looking better in comparison to that. All during Obama's first election campaign it was commonly regarded that Bush's performance had been a God send for Obama's popularity.

Well, I am quite happy with the civilization we have at present. Of course, we can do better, and we have challenges that our parents did not, but still, better than what they and our grandparents had. Mostly I find that those most bewailing the present, worshiping the past, are those that are not doing a thing to improve their present position, nor doing a thing to help anyone else. The Sad Sacks of our society, always dissatisfied with the way things are, and looking backward to some mythical time that never was.

Since the end of WW II the country has been in a steady slide towards Fascism. I'd say that a few of the milestones along the way towards Fascism have been Operation TP Ajax during Eisenhower's watch - Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you" speech - his assassination by fairly apparent CIA connections - Johnson's escalation of the Vietnam war - Nixon's Water Gate - Reagan's Iran Gate ....... and if anyone doubts that Fascist elements in US politics exists, Georgie Bush Jr.s world-wide treachery is the cherry on top of the cake. With all of that in mind one could say that Obama ain't so bad. But it is my guess that Obama is an interlude in Fascism's steady climb to neo-Stalinism, just as presidents such as Jimmie Carter and Gerald Ford had been. So I really do not understand what it is that you find 'happy' about present-day civilization. The times of the not very distant past (within our life-time) were of peace, of a surge forwards to racial and economic equality, of brotherhood. That was not a 'mythical time' and it was achieved by dissatisfaction by the population ready to revolt. These were no 'Sad Sacks of society'. Those were the heroes of recent history who are now being bad-mouthed today in order to speed up the process of Fascism.

You don't know what fascism is, don't lecture people about fascism or socialism. There was no Bush Jr. You are ignorant and the more you speak the more obvious it is.

Your level of ignorance must be awfully painful. Yes, I see by your whistling in the dark that it must be painful, frustrating, and frightening for you.

Quit playing with your anus.