Do Palestinians Have the Right to Defend Themselves?

[montelatici]

No, they prove me absolutely correct. They also prove that you post nothing but Zionist propaganda.

 

[Phoenall]

A site that doesn't publish opinion pieces by terrorist ass kissers and leftist morons.

So in other words any site you don't agree with, or tells the truth, figures.

never yet came across a terrorist arse licker or a leftist moron that could utter more than 2 words truthfully.

Now that's funny. You are a pathological liar. I haven't see you post one fact on this site. All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda.

So all your links are Zionist propaganda are they Abdul, because I have used thos to prove you wrong and to be a RACIST LIAR.

Want to post table 1 again that tells the truth about land ownership?

99% of my links are to UN archives, academic archives or similar and represent fact. All you have proven is that you are a poor propagandist and even less capable liar.

Does not make them fact does it, as many such reports are shown to be false at a later date. Like your laiming a white paper is somehow law

A white paper is an authoritative report or guide informing in a concise manner about a complex issue and presenting the issuing body's philosophy on the matter. It is meant to help readers understand an issue, solve a problem, or make a decision.

 

[Phoenall]

No, they prove me absolutely correct. They also prove that you post nothing but Zionist propaganda.

So your links are Zionist propaganda then, nice of you to finally admit it.

 

[montelatici]

None of the reports have been proven to be false. It is just the UN presenting the facts on the ground prior to partition. It isn't a white paper, it is the report to the General Assembly setting forth the facts on the ground on which the partition of Palestine was executed. And, of course the data presented to the General Assembly was fact.

 

[Challenger]

The site also includes texts sourced about the Nakba including works and quotes by prominent Jewish intellectuals.

Jewish Intellectuals Who Have Opposed Zionism and or Israeli Racism Inustices Apartheid and or Ethnic Cleansing

Unless you can disprove the information provided it's a valid "one stop shop" that saves me the time and effort of digging out the original information. So yes it does show what was asked for; prove otherwise.

So, no OFFICIAL sites proving that actual evictions and ethnic cleansing occurred. Just bullshit opinions, IslamoNazi sites, speculations, and false propaganda.

Like I thought.

You got nothin'.

What do you classify as an "official" site?

A site that doesn't publish opinion pieces by terrorist ass kissers and leftist morons.

So in other words any site you don't agree with, or tells the truth, figures.

An opinion is not fact, moron. And that site is very low on facts.

Prove it.

 

[danielpalos]

Should they impugn the Israelis for not being Judean enough to "harass a Judge" before waging war on them.

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, montelatici, Challenger, Roudy, et al,

For most of my time participating in the "Israel and Palestine Forum" the general process involved has been adversarial; more concerned with resolving sport and narrow controversies than with finding the ultimate truth and a workable solution. There has been a plethora of sources used in this forum; anywhere from papers written by prisoners, to designer dissertations by ever well respected personalities. One of the unique problems of this forum is that it is adversarial in the conventional sense (pro 'versus' con); but, the two principle opponents (pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian) are both on the positive side of the same question. Yet in the reality of the situation is that they both are 180º out of sync with each other and with their interpretations of reality being blinded to evidence in fact. One aspect that is seen more than any other is the concept of "propaganda." Each side professes to claims that they condemn all forms of propaganda which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression.

Propaganda is a systematic effort to persuade; not unlike a debate; with each opponent attempting to use the art of persuasion to their advantage. Thus the issue is not the truth or falsehood of what is said. Depending on your perspective or approach to the Israel-Palestine Forum, you might observe (through powers of deduction) the two general ways in which both sides use the techniques:

• Propaganda is the spreading of information and ideas to advance a cause or discredit an opposing cause.
• Propaganda is spreading of information and ideas to advance a cause or discredit an opposing cause.

Both of these techniques attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognition, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the agenda, using what evidence and logic there is to project the image towards the expected outcome.

In learning the craft of rhetoric, . . . critics have deliberately drawn distinctions between rhetoric and propaganda. On the other hand, evidence of the conflation of rhetoric and propaganda, under the general notion of persuasion, has become increasingly obvious, especially in the forum, where forum participants seem incapable of differentiating among the suasory forms (both out of Necessity and dangerously close to Paradox) of communication pervasive now in our heavily mediated society. . . .

A site that doesn't publish opinion pieces by terrorist ass kissers and leftist morons.

So in other words any site you don't agree with, or tells the truth, figures.

never yet came across a terrorist arse licker or a leftist moron that could utter more than 2 words truthfully.

Now that's funny. You are a pathological liar. I haven't see you post one fact on this site. All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda.

So all your links are Zionist propaganda are they Abdul, because I have used thos to prove you wrong and to be a RACIST LIAR.

Want to post table 1 again that tells the truth about land ownership?

99% of my links are to UN archives, academic archives or similar and represent fact. All you have proven is that you are a poor propagandist and even less capable liar.

(COMMENT)

It is important to note that the label “ad hominem” is ambiguous, and that not every kind of "ad hominem" argument is fallacious. But as I have said before,
"There is no universally accepted definition of lying to others. The OED definition of lying is as follows:

To lie =df to make a false statement with the intention to deceive.​

There are several problems with this definition. According to it, a person who makes a statement that she believes to be true — a person who makes a truthful statement — with the intention to deceive another person, is lying, if, unbeknownst to her, the statement is false." SOURCE: Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Questions central to the philosophical discussion of lying to others and other-deception (or interpersonal deceiving) may be divided into two kinds.

• Questions of the first kind are definitional. They include the questions of how lying is to be defined, and how deceiving is to be defined, and whether lying is a form of intended deception.
• Questions of the second kind are moral. They include the questions of whether lying and deceiving are (defeasibly --- meaning capable of being annulled or invalidated) morally wrong, and whether, if either lying or deception, or both, are defeasibly morally wrong, they are ever morally obligatory, and not just merely morally permissible. SOURCE: SEP

You will notice that I nearly always choose to challenge questionable or incorrect data with evidentiary remarks from an unimpeachable source; the is the capable of being annulled or invalidated by verifiable sources.

EXAMPLE: We have a member who is quite fond of saying: General Assembly Resolution 181(II) "never happened." I do not counter with "You are a pathological liar" OR that You are a "Zionist propagandist" OR You are a "RACIST LIAR." (Bad form and bad behavior.) In stead, I counter with a very strong public statement that take the form of a UN Press Release PAL/169 17 May 1948, which says: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

I make a difference between good manners and good breeding; Politeness works everywhere, all the time. Even in this discussion group and forum.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Ad hoc analysis or report is the term commonly used to describe a product (analytical report, statistical analysis or model, or other report or summary of data) produced one time to answer a single, specific question.

None of the reports have been proven to be false. It is just the UN presenting the facts on the ground prior to partition. It isn't a white paper, it is the report to the General Assembly setting forth the facts on the ground on which the partition of Palestine was executed. And, of course the data presented to the General Assembly was fact.

(COMMENT)

For instance, A/AC.14/32 of 11 November 1947 ---- the AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE PALESTINIAN QUESTION REPORT OF SUB-COMMITTEE 2 submitted by members of Sub-Committee 2: Afghanistan, Colombia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen. The appearance of bias and impropriety is a phrase referring to a situation which show prima facie evidence in specific circumstances might seem to raise ethics questions and a clear and precise exhibition of such bias must be made. In this case, the report was accepted and included for the record (not disqualified) because the misfeasance and malfeasance (subverting the course of the General Assembly) had not become apparent until after November 29; when 7 of the 8 member nations participated in a coalition military operation on the day of Israeli independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Phoenall, montelatici, Challenger, Roudy, et al,

For most of my time participating in the "Israel and Palestine Forum" the general process involved has been adversarial; more concerned with resolving sport and narrow controversies than with finding the ultimate truth and a workable solution. There has been a plethora of sources used in this forum; anywhere from papers written by prisoners, to designer dissertations by ever well respected personalities. One of the unique problems of this forum is that it is adversarial in the conventional sense (pro 'versus' con); but, the two principle opponents (pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian) are both on the positive side of the same question. Yet in the reality of the situation is that they both are 180º out of sync with each other and with their interpretations of reality being blinded to evidence in fact. One aspect that is seen more than any other is the concept of "propaganda." Each side professes to claims that they condemn all forms of propaganda which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression.

Propaganda is a systematic effort to persuade; not unlike a debate; with each opponent attempting to use the art of persuasion to their advantage. Thus the issue is not the truth or falsehood of what is said. Depending on your perspective or approach to the Israel-Palestine Forum, you might observe (through powers of deduction) the two general ways in which both sides use the techniques:

• Propaganda is the spreading of information and ideas to advance a cause or discredit an opposing cause.
• Propaganda is spreading of information and ideas to advance a cause or discredit an opposing cause.

Both of these techniques attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognition, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the agenda, using what evidence and logic there is to project the image towards the expected outcome.

In learning the craft of rhetoric, . . . critics have deliberately drawn distinctions between rhetoric and propaganda. On the other hand, evidence of the conflation of rhetoric and propaganda, under the general notion of persuasion, has become increasingly obvious, especially in the forum, where forum participants seem incapable of differentiating among the suasory forms (both out of Necessity and dangerously close to Paradox) of communication pervasive now in our heavily mediated society. . . .

So in other words any site you don't agree with, or tells the truth, figures.

never yet came across a terrorist arse licker or a leftist moron that could utter more than 2 words truthfully.

Now that's funny. You are a pathological liar. I haven't see you post one fact on this site. All you do is repeat Zionist propaganda.

So all your links are Zionist propaganda are they Abdul, because I have used thos to prove you wrong and to be a RACIST LIAR.

Want to post table 1 again that tells the truth about land ownership?

99% of my links are to UN archives, academic archives or similar and represent fact. All you have proven is that you are a poor propagandist and even less capable liar.

(COMMENT)

It is important to note that the label “ad hominem” is ambiguous, and that not every kind of "ad hominem" argument is fallacious. But as I have said before,
"There is no universally accepted definition of lying to others. The OED definition of lying is as follows:

To lie =df to make a false statement with the intention to deceive.​

There are several problems with this definition. According to it, a person who makes a statement that she believes to be true — a person who makes a truthful statement — with the intention to deceive another person, is lying, if, unbeknownst to her, the statement is false." SOURCE: Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Questions central to the philosophical discussion of lying to others and other-deception (or interpersonal deceiving) may be divided into two kinds.

• Questions of the first kind are definitional. They include the questions of how lying is to be defined, and how deceiving is to be defined, and whether lying is a form of intended deception.
• Questions of the second kind are moral. They include the questions of whether lying and deceiving are (defeasibly --- meaning capable of being annulled or invalidated) morally wrong, and whether, if either lying or deception, or both, are defeasibly morally wrong, they are ever morally obligatory, and not just merely morally permissible. SOURCE: SEP

You will notice that I nearly always choose to challenge questionable or incorrect data with evidentiary remarks from an unimpeachable source; the is the capable of being annulled or invalidated by verifiable sources.

EXAMPLE: We have a member who is quite fond of saying: General Assembly Resolution 181(II) "never happened." I do not counter with "You are a pathological liar" OR that You are a "Zionist propagandist" OR You are a "RACIST LIAR." (Bad form and bad behavior.) In stead, I counter with a very strong public statement that take the form of a UN Press Release PAL/169 17 May 1948, which says: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

I make a difference between good manners and good breeding; Politeness works everywhere, all the time. Even in this discussion group and forum.

Most Respectfully,
R

EXAMPLE: We have a member who is quite fond of saying: General Assembly Resolution 181(II) "never happened." I do not counter with "You are a pathological liar" OR that You are a "Zionist propagandist" OR You are a "RACIST LIAR." (Bad form and bad behavior.) In stead, I counter with a very strong public statement that take the form of a UN Press Release PAL/169 17 May 1948, which says: "In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

You post that quote a lot. The only issue I have with it is that other sources say different and there are no facts on the ground to validate that assertion.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Ad hoc analysis or report is the term commonly used to describe a product (analytical report, statistical analysis or model, or other report or summary of data) produced one time to answer a single, specific question.

None of the reports have been proven to be false. It is just the UN presenting the facts on the ground prior to partition. It isn't a white paper, it is the report to the General Assembly setting forth the facts on the ground on which the partition of Palestine was executed. And, of course the data presented to the General Assembly was fact.

(COMMENT)

For instance, A/AC.14/32 of 11 November 1947 ---- the AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE PALESTINIAN QUESTION REPORT OF SUB-COMMITTEE 2 submitted by members of Sub-Committee 2: Afghanistan, Colombia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen. The appearance of bias and impropriety is a phrase referring to a situation which show prima facie evidence in specific circumstances might seem to raise ethics questions and a clear and precise exhibition of such bias must be made. In this case, the report was accepted and included for the record (not disqualified) because the misfeasance and malfeasance (subverting the course of the General Assembly) had not become apparent until after November 29; when 7 of the 8 member nations participated in a coalition military operation on the day of Israeli independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

In this case, the report was accepted and included for the record (not disqualified) because the misfeasance and malfeasance (subverting the course of the General Assembly) had not become apparent until after November 29; when 7 of the 8 member nations participated in a coalition military operation on the day of Israeli independence.​

Why is that a dis-qualifier for you?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I was only using that as a result.

You post that quote a lot. The only issue I have with it is that other sources say different and there are no facts on the ground to validate that assertion.

(COMMENT)

Yes, and that is a questionable claim.

A couple point that are positive facts on the Ground.

All the government infrastructure was transferred for the Mandatory to the Provisional Government of Israel.

• Essential Food Products
• The continuance of Postal Services
• Credits to Finance
• Liquid assets and liabilities of the Government of Palestine
• Allocation and liquidation of assets
• Drafting of democratic constitutions, declarations and choice of provisional governments by the Constituent Assemblies
• Control of Land Regulations
• Control of immigration
• Palestine Currency Board
  
• Palestine’s Broadcasting Requirements.
  
• Release of Sterling Balances

The UNPC did not report to your standard, it reports to the Security Council on its progress.

Facts on the ground seem to be a vary depending on your vantage point.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I was only using that as a result.

You post that quote a lot. The only issue I have with it is that other sources say different and there are no facts on the ground to validate that assertion.

(COMMENT)

Yes, and that is a questionable claim.

A couple point that are positive facts on the Ground.

All the government infrastructure was transferred for the Mandatory to the Provisional Government of Israel.

• Essential Food Products
• The continuance of Postal Services
• Credits to Finance
• Liquid assets and liabilities of the Government of Palestine
• Allocation and liquidation of assets
• Drafting of democratic constitutions, declarations and choice of provisional governments by the Constituent Assemblies
• Control of Land Regulations
• Control of immigration
• Palestine Currency Board
  
• Palestine’s Broadcasting Requirements.
  
• Release of Sterling Balances

The UNPC did not report to your standard, it reports to the Security Council on its progress.

Facts on the ground seem to be a vary depending on your vantage point.

Most Respectfully,
R

Links?

 

[montelatici]

No, they prove me absolutely correct. They also prove that you post nothing but Zionist propaganda.

So your links are Zionist propaganda then, nice of you to finally admit it.

The UN reports on the partitionin

montelatici, et al,

Ad hoc analysis or report is the term commonly used to describe a product (analytical report, statistical analysis or model, or other report or summary of data) produced one time to answer a single, specific question.

None of the reports have been proven to be false. It is just the UN presenting the facts on the ground prior to partition. It isn't a white paper, it is the report to the General Assembly setting forth the facts on the ground on which the partition of Palestine was executed. And, of course the data presented to the General Assembly was fact.

(COMMENT)

For instance, A/AC.14/32 of 11 November 1947 ---- the AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE PALESTINIAN QUESTION REPORT OF SUB-COMMITTEE 2 submitted by members of Sub-Committee 2: Afghanistan, Colombia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen. The appearance of bias and impropriety is a phrase referring to a situation which show prima facie evidence in specific circumstances might seem to raise ethics questions and a clear and precise exhibition of such bias must be made. In this case, the report was accepted and included for the record (not disqualified) because the misfeasance and malfeasance (subverting the course of the General Assembly) had not become apparent until after November 29; when 7 of the 8 member nations participated in a coalition military operation on the day of Israeli independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

Ad hoc analysis or report is the term commonly used to describe a product (analytical report, statistical analysis or model, or other report or summary of data) produced one time to answer a single, specific question.

None of the reports have been proven to be false. It is just the UN presenting the facts on the ground prior to partition. It isn't a white paper, it is the report to the General Assembly setting forth the facts on the ground on which the partition of Palestine was executed. And, of course the data presented to the General Assembly was fact.

(COMMENT)

For instance, A/AC.14/32 of 11 November 1947 ---- the AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE PALESTINIAN QUESTION REPORT OF SUB-COMMITTEE 2 submitted by members of Sub-Committee 2: Afghanistan, Colombia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen. The appearance of bias and impropriety is a phrase referring to a situation which show prima facie evidence in specific circumstances might seem to raise ethics questions and a clear and precise exhibition of such bias must be made. In this case, the report was accepted and included for the record (not disqualified) because the misfeasance and malfeasance (subverting the course of the General Assembly) had not become apparent until after November 29; when 7 of the 8 member nations participated in a coalition military operation on the day of Israeli independence.

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]

Rocco et al

I was referring to A/364 not A/AC.14/32.

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

montelatici, et al,

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Members of UN Committees must avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of the members activities.” Otherwise is detracts from the confidence in the organization.

Why is that a dis-qualifier for you?

(COMMENT)

The Arab League was a confederation formed in 1945. The Arab Higher Committee was reconstituted the same year by the Arab League. The Arab League consisted of Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Yemen and later joined by Libya, Sudan, Morocco, Tunisia, Kuwait, Algeria, Bahrain, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, and the United Arab Emirates. Sub-Committee 2 were from: Afghanistan, Colombia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen.

The cross connect and associates are clear: Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen. The same nations that submitted the report were the same nations that attacked Israel on their Independence Day.

It is the case that these countries could have been ignored when the other members of the General Assembly realized that this was just part of the Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Members of UN Committees must avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of the members activities.” Otherwise is detracts from the confidence in the organization.

Why is that a dis-qualifier for you?

(COMMENT)

The Arab League was a confederation formed in 1945. The Arab Higher Committee was reconstituted the same year by the Arab League. The Arab League consisted of Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Yemen and later joined by Libya, Sudan, Morocco, Tunisia, Kuwait, Algeria, Bahrain, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, and the United Arab Emirates. Sub-Committee 2 were from: Afghanistan, Colombia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen.

The cross connect and associates are clear: Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen. The same nations that submitted the report were the same nations that attacked Israel on their Independence Day.

It is the case that these countries could have been ignored when the other members of the General Assembly realized that this was just part of the Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco et al.

The members of the members of the Committee were Canada, Czechoslovakia, Iran, Netherlands, Peru and Yugoslavia. Not one Arab member and only Iran was a Muslim country. Subsequently, of the members, only Iran voted against partition.

UN Special Committee on Palestine UNSCOP - Background information - Press release 31 August 1947

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici,

I screwed-up!

P F Tinmore, et al,

Members of UN Committees must avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of the members activities.” Otherwise is detracts from the confidence in the organization.

Why is that a dis-qualifier for you?

(COMMENT)

The Arab League was a confederation formed in 1945. The Arab Higher Committee was reconstituted the same year by the Arab League. The Arab League consisted of Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Yemen and later joined by Libya, Sudan, Morocco, Tunisia, Kuwait, Algeria, Bahrain, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Somalia, and the United Arab Emirates. Sub-Committee 2 were from: Afghanistan, Colombia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen.

The cross connect and associates are clear: Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Yemen. The same nations that submitted the report were the same nations that attacked Israel on their Independence Day.

It is the case that these countries could have been ignored when the other members of the General Assembly realized that this was just part of the Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco et al.

The members of the members of the Committee were Canada, Czechoslovakia, Iran, Netherlands, Peru and Yugoslavia. Not one Arab member and only Iran was a Muslim country. Subsequently, of the members, only Iran voted against partition.

UN Special Committee on Palestine UNSCOP - Background information - Press release 31 August 1947

(COMMENT)

As I said, I thought we were still talking about the UNSCOP Sub-Committee 2.

I fell off track.

v/r
R

 

[montelatici]

Thanks.

 

[Humanity]

Don't think I have commented on this thread before...

Mainly because I don't like the question... It's pretty dumb to be honest!

However, for what it's worth...

EVERYONE has the right to defend themselves!

And before one or two of the Zionist 'activists' asks, YES, even the Israelis!

 

[Humanity]

Hmm, is Israel launching rockets at them? Is Israel sending suicide bombers into "Palestine" to blow up pizza shops, buses and such? Are Israelis going into mosques and shooting down people? Are Israelis driving cars into bus and trains stops in "Palestine"? Are Israelis going into supermarkets and buses in "Palestine" and stabbing people?

Please tell me exactly what they need to defend themselves from besides themselves.

Israelis take Palestinian land and settle on it, bulldoze or blow up Palestinian homes, destroy Palestinian crops and kill thousands of Palestinian women and children with stand-off weapons. Of course the Palestinians have to defend themselves.

And so do the Israeli's, the problem is Israel is 100 years advanced on he arab muslims in warfare so will aleways come out on top. The stupidity of arab muslms thinking that their god will protect them is laughable, and they still lay down their lives for nothing. What have they achieved with their terrorist "defence" since 1929 apart from more dead and more homeless arab muslims.


By the way the land is Jewish under INTERNATIONAL LAW and you cant alter that.

 

[Humanity]

While it is lofty to say --- that all peoples have the right of self-defense and the right of self-determination, in reality the price of such an ideal can be too much to endure.

What price freedom?