Debate Now Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand?

[Delta4Embassy]

A number of studies say "yes", but of course, the "devil is in the details", so then again, it could all be smoke and mirrors. Or, maybe not? Hmmmm......

Do Racism Conservatism and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand Psychology Today

Low IQ Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice Racism Bias Politics Right-Wing and Left-Wing Ideology

Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice Racism Conservatism

Multiple Scientific Studies Confirm Extreme Conservatism Linked to Racism Low I.Q. Americans Against the Tea Party

Those FOUR links refer to an intensive study done by Hodson, & Busseri, in 2012, called: "Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact." It was published in Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.


And this study:

Are Conservatives Dumber Than Liberals - Reason.com

(though that study does not run along the same lines exactly)


And this study, from 2009-2010:

Study Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives - TIME

(that link is an excellent case for finding the really necessary stuff in the details... hint, hint...)

And a completely different study from 2013, actually comparing the brain sizes of people of different political orientations:

The Surprising Brain Differences Between Democrats and Republicans Mother Jones

and the direct links:

Fear as a Disposition and an Emotional State A Genetic and Environmental Approach to Out-Group Political Preferences - Hatemi - 2013 - American Journal of Political Science - Wiley Online Library

PLOS ONE Red Brain Blue Brain Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, before anyone get's his or her dander up, go read the links. You will be surprised at the plethora of information out there, and a lot of it can be rebutted - you just need to know where to look. I have DELIBERATELY not quoted anything from the links yet, to allow others to first read from start to finish and digest the material at hand.

PS: I live in a time zone that is 6 hours ahead of New York City, so some responses on my part will be delayed.

RULES FOR THIS DISCUSSION:

1. No ad hominems. No flaming, no getting personal, no insults. Stick to the topic, not the person.
2. Dictionary definitions will prevail.
3. Claiming that you are speaking on behalf of others is absolutely forbidden.
4. What you post is de facto your opinion unless substantiated with credible links.
5. When you are asked to provide a credible link to substantiate your position you must do so or you automatically forfeit your position.
6. Links can be contested and if they can be shown to be biased they will be discounted. For this reason I already provided neutral links directly to the core data for a number of studies under the links of websites that one side may consider partisan.
7. If you are going to invoke partisan terminology then be prepared to have it called out for what it is.
8. No one is exempt from legitimate criticism - including the OP.
9. Serious debate also means taking time to formulate an answer - so this should be a slow, thoughtful thread. I don't expect a response in the first 60 minutes after the thread goes up. You will need at least that much time to actually absorb the material needed to successfully debate this statistical issue.
10. Have some fun while you are at it. That's an order. Life is short, enjoy what you do.

-Stat

Sexism is often found among right-wingers as well.

"Responses from 1,023 pornography users indicated that the amount of pornography the subjects consumed did not predict whether they would hold negative attitudes toward women. The survey respondents who were most sexist were generally older men who voted for a right-wing political party, lived in a rural area and had a lower level of formal education."
Effects of Pornography The Sunny Side of Smut US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

OP post.

 

[Shrimpbox]

You know there is no way to read every page of this BS. Thank you welfare queen.

Let's start out with the op. I don't know where the mods are but they create a forum for better debate and then let someone like stat introduce a gross insult to many members of USMB, based in pop psychology and a very flimsy science, then tells everyone what the rules are going to be including a condescending take a 60 min break, and then treats everyone like he is our professor and has given us a homework assignment that he will grade. We are all so blessed.

First off let's stop the charade. Stat believes every bit of the op. One has only to follow his posts or check out his associates. He is a dyed in the wool liberal who believes the second coming will be Hilary and that tea party members are wing nuts and extremists. Welfare queen had it exactly right; tell everyone that conservatives are beating their wives and then make conservatives prove they are not. Stat hides behind the smoke screen of well we are really just discussing science, what a crock. Once again people like stat strain to create a myth that if repeated long enough becomes accepted folklore. Just the existence of this thread reinforces the bias continually manufactured by the left. At least one study had it right for me, it said that this report would make conservatives angry, no duh! The Holy Grail for people like stat and his kind is for science to find that defective gene that causes people to be conservative. If they can identify some biology or genetic cause for this disease then in their Orwellian future they can have all newborns intellectually castrated and have the proletariat be truly homogenous and docile.

Intelligence And Politics Have a Complex Relationship Psychology Today

Ok stat you want specifics, although with my limited mental capacity I guess I am not able to just think for myself. All of your references rely on the same study which was done among adolescents, kids, like they really know whether they are liberal or conservative. Others have exposed many of the flawed metrics involved in this study. The Muslim girls report appears in millenial media, a frigging marketing website for gods sake. Mother Jones, oh yeah, that's another bastion of credibility. Inotherwords all your links are the same crap regurgitated by a different outlets.

Let's go back to Stone Age psychology. Everyone is a product of,their environment, and the environment is very capable of brainwashing children. Like hitlers,youth, maos schools, or the madrasahs in Islam land, Obama and liberals seek to indoctrinate the young from daycare to college. They seek to control their thoughts through social media(talk about the premier anti-think for yourself weapon) and they are succeeding. The media is overwhelming liberal as is academia and the remaining pockets of free thinkers are attacked by threads like this one. But all the conditions that the op claims lead to racism and fear are being cultivated by the left. Vote democrat or lose your check, hate those republicans and let us take over more of your lives, conservatives only care about the rich, class warfare. The left is practicing a kind of intellectual racism that goes unremarked by the media and the press.

But you haven't addressed the fear experiments. Well that just goes to prove another point. We are producing so many kids who have never had a callous on their hands or their brain that they don't know what fear is. There are no winners nod losers in t-ball. Grades are made on a curve. If you fail it is not your fault. If you don't want to work we will support you. Everyone deserves equal outcomes. We have created generations of soft spineless citizens who have no reason to question the perceived comfort of the status quo. As long as I have my cell phone and earplugs I am fine. No one teaches how thin the line is between civilization and anarchy and too many Americans don't have a clue. I guess right before Isis cut the heads off of all those people they suddenly became conservative. Traditions, values, morals and social stability are what hold civilizations together, while not always perfect, those that want to freelance the future invite disaster.

I did not want to write a book but people have to start standing up to people like stat and his oppressive character assassinations masquerading as serious debate. I do not go around looking for some kind of subterfuge to challenge the IQ of people,who disagree with me, and neither should anyone else.

If you are not a liberal at twenty you do not have a heart, if you are not a conservative at forty you do not have a brain.

 

[Mertex]

The one trait that ties all these themes together is conformity. Ultra conformist leftists view their prime directive to defend anybody who isn't white with such dogged determination that they become everything they claim to hate -- purveyors of a brand of politics where it isn't the quality of a person's character that counts, but only the color of their skin.

That's not true. What you are saying is that liberals are no longer able to distinguish "wrong" if the person committing the wrong happens to be black. To the contrary, most liberals are able to see the wrong for what it is regardless of the color of the skin, but most conservatives will most often quickly jump to the defense of the person if they happen to be white and the wrong was against a person that is black. For example, George Zimmerman......conservatives jumped to his defense before realizing that he wasn't actually what they consider "white" since most conservatives don't like hispanics (unless that hispanic happens to be conservative, too) and he was a registered Democrat. But once they started defending him, they had to go all the way and overlook all the things that GZ did wrong rather than be embarrassed for defending a Hispanic Democrat.

 

[Correll]

The one trait that ties all these themes together is conformity. Ultra conformist leftists view their prime directive to defend anybody who isn't white with such dogged determination that they become everything they claim to hate -- purveyors of a brand of politics where it isn't the quality of a person's character that counts, but only the color of their skin.

That's not true. What you are saying is that liberals are no longer able to distinguish "wrong" if the person committing the wrong happens to be black. To the contrary, most liberals are able to see the wrong for what it is regardless of the color of the skin, but most conservatives will most often quickly jump to the defense of the person if they happen to be white and the wrong was against a person that is black. For example, George Zimmerman......conservatives jumped to his defense before realizing that he wasn't actually what they consider "white" since most conservatives don't like hispanics (unless that hispanic happens to be conservative, too) and he was a registered Democrat. But once they started defending him, they had to go all the way and overlook all the things that GZ did wrong rather than be embarrassed for defending a Hispanic Democrat.

For example Zimmerman. Liberals still ignore/deny/minimize the fact that Trevor Martin was seen sitting on top of Zimmerman, beating him vigorously.

You libs fail to grasp that that was "wrong".

Zimmerman following Martin was not wrong. Neither was his self defense wrong.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

That's not true. What you are saying is that liberals are no longer able to distinguish "wrong" if the person committing the wrong happens to be black. To the contrary, most liberals are able to see the wrong for what it is regardless of the color of the skin, but most conservatives will most often quickly jump to the defense of the person if they happen to be white and the wrong was against a person that is black. For example, George Zimmerman......conservatives jumped to his defense before realizing that he wasn't actually what they consider "white" since most conservatives don't like hispanics (unless that hispanic happens to be conservative, too) and he was a registered Democrat. But once they started defending him, they had to go all the way and overlook all the things that GZ did wrong rather than be embarrassed for defending a Hispanic Democrat.

The big green print does not get my attention to a degree any greater than a normal font, Mertex.

Add to my original statement, I distinctly said "leftist", not liberal, but you do illustrate the very essence of my point of view in that it is the very act of viewing politics in terms of identity that results in people being unable to see the forest for all the trees. By viewing the world in simplistic binary with tribe "conservative" lined up on one side and tribe "liberal" lined up on the other, you reduce the conversation to little more than Cowboys and Indians, each defending their turf as if their life depends on it.

What does that say about people's actual intelligence that they would not only simplify their word view to this degree, but feel so insecure about it that they would think their membership in one tribe instead of the other was what made them smart?

 

[Dot Com]

Lots of rw butt hurt in this thread. If the shoe fits, you people own it. Your party is 94% white.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You know there is no way to read every page of this BS. Thank you welfare queen.

Let's start out with the op. I don't know where the mods are but they create a forum for better debate and then let someone like stat introduce a gross insult to many members of USMB, based in pop psychology and a very flimsy science, then tells everyone what the rules are going to be including a condescending take a 60 min break, and then treats everyone like he is our professor and has given us a homework assignment that he will grade. We are all so blessed.

First off let's stop the charade. Stat believes every bit of the op. One has only to follow his posts or check out his associates. He is a dyed in the wool liberal who believes the second coming will be Hilary and that tea party members are wing nuts and extremists. Welfare queen had it exactly right; tell everyone that conservatives are beating their wives and then make conservatives prove they are not. Stat hides behind the smoke screen of well we are really just discussing science, what a crock. Once again people like stat strain to create a myth that if repeated long enough becomes accepted folklore. Just the existence of this thread reinforces the bias continually manufactured by the left. At least one study had it right for me, it said that this report would make conservatives angry, no duh! The Holy Grail for people like stat and his kind is for science to find that defective gene that causes people to be conservative. If they can identify some biology or genetic cause for this disease then in their Orwellian future they can have all newborns intellectually castrated and have the proletariat be truly homogenous and docile.

Intelligence And Politics Have a Complex Relationship Psychology Today

Ok stat you want specifics, although with my limited mental capacity I guess I am not able to just think for myself. All of your references rely on the same study which was done among adolescents, kids, like they really know whether they are liberal or conservative. Others have exposed many of the flawed metrics involved in this study. The Muslim girls report appears in millenial media, a frigging marketing website for gods sake. Mother Jones, oh yeah, that's another bastion of credibility. Inotherwords all your links are the same crap regurgitated by a different outlets.

Let's go back to Stone Age psychology. Everyone is a product of,their environment, and the environment is very capable of brainwashing children. Like hitlers,youth, maos schools, or the madrasahs in Islam land, Obama and liberals seek to indoctrinate the young from daycare to college. They seek to control their thoughts through social media(talk about the premier anti-think for yourself weapon) and they are succeeding. The media is overwhelming liberal as is academia and the remaining pockets of free thinkers are attacked by threads like this one. But all the conditions that the op claims lead to racism and fear are being cultivated by the left. Vote democrat or lose your check, hate those republicans and let us take over more of your lives, conservatives only care about the rich, class warfare. The left is practicing a kind of intellectual racism that goes unremarked by the media and the press.

But you haven't addressed the fear experiments. Well that just goes to prove another point. We are producing so many kids who have never had a callous on their hands or their brain that they don't know what fear is. There are no winners nod losers in t-ball. Grades are made on a curve. If you fail it is not your fault. If you don't want to work we will support you. Everyone deserves equal outcomes. We have created generations of soft spineless citizens who have no reason to question the perceived comfort of the status quo. As long as I have my cell phone and earplugs I am fine. No one teaches how thin the line is between civilization and anarchy and too many Americans don't have a clue. I guess right before Isis cut the heads off of all those people they suddenly became conservative. Traditions, values, morals and social stability are what hold civilizations together, while not always perfect, those that want to freelance the future invite disaster.

I did not want to write a book but people have to start standing up to people like stat and his oppressive character assassinations masquerading as serious debate. I do not go around looking for some kind of subterfuge to challenge the IQ of people,who disagree with me, and neither should anyone else.

If you are not a liberal at twenty you do not have a heart, if you are not a conservative at forty you do not have a brain.

Thanks for the link from psychology today.

I hadn't read it, but I would direct people to Hans Eysenck, whose general observations match the points I have been trying to get across.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lots of rw butt hurt in this thread. If the shoe fits, you people own it. Your party is 94% white.

your party is 100% Pathetic

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Lots of rw butt hurt in this thread. If the shoe fits, you people own it. Your party is 94% white.

You must find it comforting to live in a world so incredibly simplistic.

All you need to know is that your tribe be da good guys, the other tribe be da bad, and anybody who isn't with you is against you.

Have you ever considered a more adult political orientation instead of this childish one, though?

 

[Correll]

Lots of rw butt hurt in this thread. If the shoe fits, you people own it. Your party is 94% white.

You must find it comforting to live in a world so incredibly simplistic.

All you need to know is that your tribe be da good guys, the other tribe be da bad, and anybody who isn't with you is against you.

Have you ever considered a more adult political orientation instead of this childish one, though?

And the irony of posting such a stupid post in a thread claiming lower IQ and conservatism goes hand in hand, is obviously over her head.

 

[Dot Com]

No one ever mentions it but yes, the typical Repub/T-Party voter is a disgruntled, self-proclaimed christian- type, white guy who thinks he is entitled to something simply because of his birth WITHOUT taking his IQ into acct.

.

 

[JoeMoma]

No one ever mentions it but yes, the typical Repub/T-Party voter is a disgruntled self-proclaimed christian, white guy who thinks he is entitled to something.

Profile much?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

And the irony of posting such a stupid post in a thread claiming lower IQ and conservatism goes hand in hand, is obviously over her head.

RW = "poopoohead" in the vernacular of the low IQ lockstep leftist just as much as liberal = "poopoohead" to the fundies of the right.

Perhaps these children are just still too young to have much in the way of life experience, but in my 60 years, I have met plenty of people both intelligent and unintelligent, and what differentiated the intelligent from the unintelligent wasn't the end product of professed political orientation but how they got there. Intelligent people understand concepts and seek to understand the actual ideologies involved. Unintelligent do not, as all they are interested in is the comfort level they extract from their membership in a group.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm sure you'll agree this was the most moronic thread in what's become a joke of a forum.

 

[Carla_Danger]

A number of studies say "yes", but of course, the "devil is in the details", so then again, it could all be smoke and mirrors. Or, maybe not? Hmmmm......

Do Racism Conservatism and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand Psychology Today

Low IQ Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice Racism Bias Politics Right-Wing and Left-Wing Ideology

Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice Racism Conservatism

Multiple Scientific Studies Confirm Extreme Conservatism Linked to Racism Low I.Q. Americans Against the Tea Party

Those FOUR links refer to an intensive study done by Hodson, & Busseri, in 2012, called: "Bright minds and dark attitudes: Lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice through right-wing ideology and low intergroup contact." It was published in Psychological Science, 23, 187-195.


And this study:

Are Conservatives Dumber Than Liberals - Reason.com

(though that study does not run along the same lines exactly)


And this study, from 2009-2010:

Study Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives - TIME

(that link is an excellent case for finding the really necessary stuff in the details... hint, hint...)

And a completely different study from 2013, actually comparing the brain sizes of people of different political orientations:

The Surprising Brain Differences Between Democrats and Republicans Mother Jones

and the direct links:

Fear as a Disposition and an Emotional State A Genetic and Environmental Approach to Out-Group Political Preferences - Hatemi - 2013 - American Journal of Political Science - Wiley Online Library

PLOS ONE Red Brain Blue Brain Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now, before anyone get's his or her dander up, go read the links. You will be surprised at the plethora of information out there, and a lot of it can be rebutted - you just need to know where to look. I have DELIBERATELY not quoted anything from the links yet, to allow others to first read from start to finish and digest the material at hand.

PS: I live in a time zone that is 6 hours ahead of New York City, so some responses on my part will be delayed.

RULES FOR THIS DISCUSSION:

1. No ad hominems. No flaming, no getting personal, no insults. Stick to the topic, not the person.
2. Dictionary definitions will prevail.
3. Claiming that you are speaking on behalf of others is absolutely forbidden.
4. What you post is de facto your opinion unless substantiated with credible links.
5. When you are asked to provide a credible link to substantiate your position you must do so or you automatically forfeit your position.
6. Links can be contested and if they can be shown to be biased they will be discounted. For this reason I already provided neutral links directly to the core data for a number of studies under the links of websites that one side may consider partisan.
7. If you are going to invoke partisan terminology then be prepared to have it called out for what it is.
8. No one is exempt from legitimate criticism - including the OP.
9. Serious debate also means taking time to formulate an answer - so this should be a slow, thoughtful thread. I don't expect a response in the first 60 minutes after the thread goes up. You will need at least that much time to actually absorb the material needed to successfully debate this statistical issue.
10. Have some fun while you are at it. That's an order. Life is short, enjoy what you do.

-Stat

I don't have to read further than the title of the post because the premise is in error from the start and completely illogical. You and others are suggesting that Liberalists can't be(or are less) racist or have a low IQ? That alone would prove the hypothesis incorrect. IQ knows no bias and isn't related to ones belief system. You either have a high IQ or you don't.

Certainly there can be Liberalist racism as has been clearly demonstrated in something Liberalists often promote and is commonly referred to as reverse racism. Racism is racism the reverse is all inclusiveness. I.E Affirmative action is racist as it inflicts preference of one race over the other in the name of equality? See the problem? You can't reverse racism and discrimination based on race by promoting racism and discrimination.
Full Definition of RACISM
1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective
See racism defined for English-language learners
See racism defined for kids
Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Reverse racism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Reverse racism is a condition in which discrimination, sometimes officially sanctioned, against a dominant (or formerly dominant) racial or other group representative of the majority in a particular society takes place, for a variety of reasons, often as an attempt at redressing past wrongs. It has been described as "preferential treatment, discriminating in favor of members of under-represented groups, which have been treated unjustly in the past, against innocent people".[1][2][3]


Take for instance the University of Oklahoma(see link below) who is recently in the news over a fraternity's racist chant. Surley there were Liberalists participating in said chant. The KKK has it foundation in the Democratic party which is commonly thought of as Liberalist. Now that's not to say there weren't some conservatives in the bunch, I'm sure there were. The point being there are racist and low IQ's on both sides, not one more than the other. Actually the links in and of themselves show bias,sensationalism and prejudice on the part of Liberalist ideas making any further investigation unworthy of my attention.



Oklahoma Sigma Alpha Epsilon Fraternity Closed After Video of Racist Chant - ABC News

Yes, we do know there was one liberal on that bus. That's the one who turned over the video.

 

[Shrimpbox]

One Graph That Shows Which Party Really Looks Like America FrontPage Magazine

That's for dot com who is a fact less blowhard.

I would love to debate Mertex but she also makes wild claims that cannot be backed up and seems to feel her opinions are as good as fact. Both of these people seem to believe that there is no level,of wrongdoing by democrats that rises to a level that would demand that they remove their support. Such blind loyalty precludes any objective debate.

 

[Correll]

No one ever mentions it but yes, the typical Repub/T-Party voter is a disgruntled, self-proclaimed christian- type, white guy who thinks he is entitled to something simply because of his birth WITHOUT taking his IQ into acct.

.

I'm new to THIS board, but from the liberals on other boards, or in the media, I hear that stereotype all the time.

Generalizations are the BEGINNING OF THOUGHT, not the end.

Republicans do tend to be "disgruntled" in that things are not going our way. That's a reason to be "disgruntled". Though a surprising number manage to be fairly optimistic. I am certainly "disgruntled".

Republicans do tend to be more religious. As the liberals in charge of the Democratic Party, regularly ridicule the very idea of religion or Christianity, it is more surprising that this tendency is as limited as it is.

I am not religious. I know several conservatives who are not.


White? YEs. MOstly. The Dems have done a great job of racial demagoguery when it comes to minorities in America. I'm certain that you are not trying to imply that being white is a bad thing.

Entitled? NO. Being upset about being discriminated against because of AA is NOT feeling "entitled". That is simply nonsense.

Dangerous nonsense.

IQ? What are you talking about? The OP?

LOL.

 

[rdean]

Half the country has to be below average. It's no surprise it's the half that think education is for snobs and scientists are lazy and science is a faith. It was actually "expected", right?

 

[rdean]

No one ever mentions it but yes, the typical Repub/T-Party voter is a disgruntled, self-proclaimed christian- type, white guy who thinks he is entitled to something simply because of his birth WITHOUT taking his IQ into acct.

.

I'm new to THIS board, but from the liberals on other boards, or in the media, I hear that stereotype all the time.

Generalizations are the BEGINNING OF THOUGHT, not the end.

Republicans do tend to be "disgruntled" in that things are not going our way. That's a reason to be "disgruntled". Though a surprising number manage to be fairly optimistic. I am certainly "disgruntled".

Republicans do tend to be more religious. As the liberals in charge of the Democratic Party, regularly ridicule the very idea of religion or Christianity, it is more surprising that this tendency is as limited as it is.

I am not religious. I know several conservatives who are not.


White? YEs. MOstly. The Dems have done a great job of racial demagoguery when it comes to minorities in America. I'm certain that you are not trying to imply that being white is a bad thing.

Entitled? NO. Being upset about being discriminated against because of AA is NOT feeling "entitled". That is simply nonsense.

Dangerous nonsense.

IQ? What are you talking about? The OP?

LOL.

So it's the "fault" of Democrats that Republicans are 90% white?

 

[Correll]

Half the country has to be below average. It's no surprise it's the half that think education is for snobs and scientists are lazy and science is a faith. It was actually "expected", right?

Republicans are the "half of the country that thinks education is for snobs and scientists"?


You do realize that it is intellectually lazy to make such a sweeping strawman representation of the general conservative stance against elitism, don't you?