Do you agree with this statement

[Skylar]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
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So you hold territory.

Then what?

Lets say you leave behind smoking ruins. What happens then?

 

[mudwhistle]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
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The problem is how to identify the enemy. How do you tell who is an islamic terrorist and who is merely a follower of Islam?

Do we go in and mercilessly destroy all of Islam?

No one is suggesting that. Did you not read the statement.

Yes, I read the statement. "Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists."

Again, I ask how you identify them. Unless they have committed acts of terrorism, they are not terrorists. If you only strike at those who have committed acts of terrorism, you are reacting and not acting. You never get ahead of the game.

Valid point. It is a new kind of war and we need to develop a plan for how to prosecute it effectively. Just as you stated always acting after the fact means we are 2 steps behind.

We have the perfect guy in the WH for this.
if he can make Fox News and the Tea Party look like terrorists imagine what he could do with real terrorists and actual facts on his side.

 

[NLT]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
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I agree but talk is cheap.

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So you hold territory.

Then what?

Lets say you leave behind smoking ruins. What happens then?

then nothing until you need to do it again.

 

[Skylar]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I agree but talk is cheap.

The only way to make the islamists behave, is to make it very uncomforta

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So you hold territory.

Then what?

Lets say you leave behind smoking ruins. What happens then?

then nothing until you need to do it again.

So what about all the people that live there? What do you think will happen if we leave smoking ruins of their cities and homes?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Like tolerance, like anti-tribalism, like capitalism, like church and state separation, like secularism, like humanism, like comparative religion, like having an open mind, and the like. Summed up, Liberalism. It works here, for the most part, and can work there as well. The True Believers are the problem, they always are no matter what faith or ideology.

 

[NLT]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Like tolerance, like anti-tribalism, like capitalism, like church and state separation, like secularism, like humanism, like comparative religion, like having an open mind, and the like. Summed up, Liberalism. It works here, for the most part, and can work there as well. The True Believers are the problem, they always are no matter what faith or ideology.

you are high. Muslims are the most conservative people on the planet.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Lets say you leave behind smoking ruins. What happens then?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Looks like PMH just ran away

No, I was on a call from a client.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Like tolerance, like anti-tribalism, like capitalism, like church and state separation, like secularism, like humanism, like comparative religion, like having an open mind, and the like. Summed up, Liberalism. It works here, for the most part, and can work there as well. The True Believers are the problem, they always are no matter what faith or ideology.

you are high. Muslims are the most conservative people on the planet.

The Conservative part, the Reactionary part, that is the problem. That's what makes Liberalism the solution. When they care as little as most Christians do, being Christian in name only, problem solved, at least on the blowing shit up in the name of God part.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Lets say you leave behind smoking ruins. What happens then?

Good little Nazi. You would have loved being a Hitler Youth. Fits you perfectly.

 

[NLT]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Like tolerance, like anti-tribalism, like capitalism, like church and state separation, like secularism, like humanism, like comparative religion, like having an open mind, and the like. Summed up, Liberalism. It works here, for the most part, and can work there as well. The True Believers are the problem, they always are no matter what faith or ideology.

you are high. Muslims are the most conservative people on the planet.

The Conservative part, the Reactionary part, that is the problem. That's what makes Liberalism the solution. When they care as little as most Christians do, being Christian in name only, problem solved, at least on the blowing shit up in the name of God part.

Aint never gonna happen, you will never see your hippy liberal utopia.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Yes, although if we accidentally bomb a civilian target and cause high casualties think we absolutely should apologize to the appropriate people.

Put the word out that if you live next door to a terrorist you might want to turn them in,before we deal with it our way.
These people know who the terrorist are and by not turning them in they are complicit in any and all crimes they commit.
And after watching these assholes dance in the streets after 9/11, I cant seem to find any sympathy for em.

 

[mudwhistle]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Like tolerance, like anti-tribalism, like capitalism, like church and state separation, like secularism, like humanism, like comparative religion, like having an open mind, and the like. Summed up, Liberalism. It works here, for the most part, and can work there as well. The True Believers are the problem, they always are no matter what faith or ideology.

you are high. Muslims are the most conservative people on the planet.

The Conservative part, the Reactionary part, that is the problem. That's what makes Liberalism the solution. When they care as little as most Christians do, being Christian in name only, problem solved, at least on the blowing shit up in the name of God part.

Yup, Christians are always screaming "ALLAH AKBAR!!!", when they blow shit up.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

So you think you're going to change the way these people think?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Good little Nazi. You would have loved being a Hitler Youth. Fits you perfectly.

Thank you for providing such a clear example of the very sort of useful idiocy that I mentioned in my earlier post.

You are too stupid to understand that it is slamists who are the actual Nazis here, too ignorant to realize the connection between Islamists of the 1930s-40s and The National Socialist leaders, and too hysterical to ever comprehend that your lack of self-esteem is not the fault of the culture you reject so thoroughly that you would call anybody who supports liberal, Western values a Nazi. .

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Like tolerance, like anti-tribalism, like capitalism, like church and state separation, like secularism, like humanism, like comparative religion, like having an open mind, and the like. Summed up, Liberalism. It works here, for the most part, and can work there as well. The True Believers are the problem, they always are no matter what faith or ideology.

you are high. Muslims are the most conservative people on the planet.

The Conservative part, the Reactionary part, that is the problem. That's what makes Liberalism the solution. When they care as little as most Christians do, being Christian in name only, problem solved, at least on the blowing shit up in the name of God part.

Aint never gonna happen, you will never see your hippy liberal utopia.

It happened here so why not? And it's not a hippie utopia, it's the reality of what it takes to live together and live mostly in peace.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Good little Nazi. You would have loved being a Hitler Youth. Fits you perfectly.

Thank you for providing such a clear example of the very sort of useful idiocy that I mentioned in my earlier post.

You are too stupid to understand that it Iis slamists who are the actual Nazis here, too ignorant to realize the connection between Islamists of the 1930s-40s and The National Socialist leaders, and too hysterical to ever comprehend that your lack of self-esteem is not the fault of the culture you reject so thoroughly that you would call anybody who supports liberal, Western values a Nazi. .

Somehow you missed the fact that for all intents and purposes, you are both Nazis, both Fascists.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

One, you accept that you are in a war. Two, you name the enemy: Islamist terrorists. Three, you get the lawyers off the battlefield and out of the targeting cell. You accept there will be collateral damage, and do you not apologize for it, you do not nation build. You don’t hold — try to hold ground. You go wherever in the world the terrorists are and you kill them. You do your best to exterminate them, and then you leave, and you leave behind smoking ruins and crying widows. If in five or ten years they reconstitute and you have got to go back, you go back and you do the same thing and you never never never send American troops into a war you don’t mean to win.” And “be as merciless as the enemy, if you’re not willing to do that, they will win.”

Lt Col Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

So you think you're going to change the way these people think?

The thinking changes ocne they become as corrupted as we are in the West. Capitalism and Western consumer goods do wonders for that. Most people watching porn with a beer in their hand, or a dick, don't rise up to go bomb something in the name of God, they're busy.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Radical Islam is an idea. You don't kill an idea by killing the people who believe in it.

You don't defeat an idea with guns and bombs, you defeat it with a better idea...

Like what?

Like tolerance, like anti-tribalism, like capitalism, like church and state separation, like secularism, like humanism, like comparative religion, like having an open mind, and the like. Summed up, Liberalism. It works here, for the most part, and can work there as well. The True Believers are the problem, they always are no matter what faith or ideology.

you are high. Muslims are the most conservative people on the planet.

The Conservative part, the Reactionary part, that is the problem. That's what makes Liberalism the solution. When they care as little as most Christians do, being Christian in name only, problem solved, at least on the blowing shit up in the name of God part.

Yup, Christians are always screaming "ALLAH AKBAR!!!", when they blow shit up.

Currently they don't actually care that much about their faith, for the most part, but they did once and we have the slaughters and Dark Ages to prove it. Should this keep up it won't be long before you little monsters are blowing up Muslin buildings and burning the Holy Qur'an. The history is very clear.

 

[G.T.]

I dont like most of it.

One, if war becomes lawless (the lawyer part), then our own men and women face the same lawlessness with no possible sanctioning of the enemy for inhumane tactic, for any and all future wars.

Two - not apologizing for collateral damage is just flat out being a dick, just to be a dick. Its cold, especially considering the collateral are innocent human lives.

Three, defining the enemy is a science here in this modern warfare.....its not as simple as slapping the label and presto.

The whole thing seems really short sighted and lacks depth of thought.

Of course, none of this post excuses terrorist savages whatsoever but in politics world, these are stupid games yall play.