Do You Believe in the Concept of "My Body, My Choice"

[Midnight Marauder]

I don't believe I said that, perhaps you should read my response again.

You said "covered" and didn't differentiate between government "coverage" and personal coverage.

Right?

Yes.

"Covered" by whom? I want you sailing in the specific ocean honey, not wallowing in the speculantic like you often do.

Covered. by. the. insurance.

The. gubmint. insurance. if. they. can't. buy. their. own?

Specific ocean dammit!

 

[Ravi]

You said "covered" and didn't differentiate between government "coverage" and personal coverage.

Right?

Yes.

"Covered" by whom? I want you sailing in the specific ocean honey, not wallowing in the speculantic like you often do.

Covered. by. the. insurance.

The. gubmint. insurance. if. they. can't. buy. their. own?

Specific ocean dammit!

I don't know how to make it any more clear to you. All reasonable medical care should be covered by insurance. Whether it is government insurance or private insurance. And that includes abortions. Do you want me to decide if the doctor sets your broken leg?

Not even sure why you're having a hissy fit about this because you stated somewhere up above you were okay with the government insurance paying for abortion.

 

[veritas]

We should just pay for all abortions with our hard-earned tax dollars?

It would probably save tax dollars over time. The women that want abortions and need the gov't to pay for them would in turn be more likely to be a tax burden on the system anyway. If they can't pay for an abortion, pre-natal and obstetric care is much more expensive than that so we would be on the hook for 10 times the amount of the procedure right off the bat assuming an optimal outcome. This doesn't even begin to include future hardships that are eligible for even more public assistance like housing and food and continuing medicaid coverage.

Abortions don't count in overall stats as far as infant mortality either, and women not wanting to be pregnant are not in the category of tending to care about their pregnancies so our stats would suffer and so would the children, not to mention the costs skyrocketing. High risk pregnancies are expensive, so are neo-natal specialists. Neonatologists do four more years of school than regular doctors, the nurses are all specialized and paid more and NICUs are really really expensive to run.

I don't agree with all you say but you raise some important points.

What parts don't you agree with? I offered no opinion, just facts. I am pro-choice. I don't think people really care about this issue in reality, just hypothetically unless they are actually faced with the decision. In reality they don't know who is having an abortion and it doesn't affect them directly unless they are the potential mother or father. It's not like we have a shortage of people.

 

[Big Black Dog]

My personal belief is that abortion is very wrong except in some extreme cases; i.e., rape, incest, a true health concern for the mother. Abortion should never ever be used as simple birth control. On the other hand, I do not believe the government has any business telling a woman what she can and can't do with her womb. It's a very mixed issue for me personally. On one hand, I think it's wrong to have an abortion except for the reasons I mentioned above. On the other hand, it really should be the choice of the woman involved - not the government. Tough for me to take a real stand on either side of the fence. Who should pay for the abortion? If it's a crime related abortion such as rape or incest I think the government should pay. If it's purely for health concern for the mother I think inusrance should pay. Any other reason I think the abortion should be paid for by the woman.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Covered. by. the. insurance.

The. gubmint. insurance. if. they. can't. buy. their. own?

Specific ocean dammit!

I don't know how to make it any more clear to you. All reasonable medical care should be covered by insurance. Whether it is government insurance or private insurance. And that includes abortions. Do you want me to decide if the doctor sets your broken leg?

A broken leg is an elective procedure? Dew tell!

Not even sure why you're having a hissy fit about this because you stated somewhere up above you were okay with the government insurance paying for abortion.

Did you not read my caveats that went with that? Did you not see there were strings attached? And did you not comprehend that insurance wasn't a requirement?

Do you need remedial reading lessons?

 

[Ravi]

The. gubmint. insurance. if. they. can't. buy. their. own?

Specific ocean dammit!

I don't know how to make it any more clear to you. All reasonable medical care should be covered by insurance. Whether it is government insurance or private insurance. And that includes abortions. Do you want me to decide if the doctor sets your broken leg?

A broken leg is an elective procedure? Dew tell!

Not even sure why you're having a hissy fit about this because you stated somewhere up above you were okay with the government insurance paying for abortion.

Did you not read my caveats that went with that? Did you not see there were strings attached? And did you not comprehend that insurance wasn't a requirement?

Do you need remedial reading lessons?

You mean you aren't man enough to set your own broken leg? How sad for you.

I read your caveats...and if you are saying that tubals should be forced I don't agree with you. Do you think the government should cut off your penis if you get two women pregnant?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

You mean you aren't man enough to set your own broken leg? How sad for you.

Hey goober. You lost. Take your lump or eat the orpple.

I read your caveats...and if you are saying that tubals should be forced I don't agree with you.

The tubals aren't forced. Where did you read that? Oh wait, you didn't because I never said it nor even hinted at it.

The tubal is a bonus that comes free of charge with the choice of the second publicly funded abortion. You can still choose neither, or pay for the second and subsequent ones yourself. See?

Do you think the government should cut off your penis if you get two women pregnant?

No, but I would be FOR a vasectomy for guys who casually knock up women. It's not the penis you stupid insufferable twit, it's the BALLS. How old are you?

 

[Ravi]

You mean you aren't man enough to set your own broken leg? How sad for you.

Hey goober. You lost. Take your lump or eat the orpple.

I read your caveats...and if you are saying that tubals should be forced I don't agree with you.

The tubals aren't forced. Where did you read that? Oh wait, you didn't because I never said it nor even hinted at it.

The tubal is a bonus that comes free of charge with the choice of the second publicly funded abortion. You can still choose neither, or pay for the second and subsequent ones yourself. See?

Do you think the government should cut off your penis if you get two women pregnant?

No, but I would be FOR a vasectomy for guys who casually knock up women. It's not the penis you stupid insufferable twit, it's the BALLS. How old are you?

Other than the fact that you want to punish women, I think we agree.

You know, maybe if your side quit demonizing sex and single motherhood these points would all be moot.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

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You mean you aren't man enough to set your own broken leg? How sad for you.

Hey goober. You lost. Take your lump or eat the orpple.The tubals aren't forced. Where did you read that? Oh wait, you didn't because I never said it nor even hinted at it.

The tubal is a bonus that comes free of charge with the choice of the second publicly funded abortion. You can still choose neither, or pay for the second and subsequent ones yourself. See?

Do you think the government should cut off your penis if you get two women pregnant?

No, but I would be FOR a vasectomy for guys who casually knock up women. It's not the penis you stupid insufferable twit, it's the BALLS. How old are you?

Other than the fact that you want to punish women, I think we agree.

You know, maybe if your side quit demonizing sex and single motherhood these points would all be moot.

I don't want to punish women. Where are you seeing that?

I know you're getting all wet talking about penises and such, and imagining me and you, under the stars, with my mask and cape on....but really, try to focus huh?

 

[chanel]

I'm with Veritas. Although I only agree with abortion in the first semester, I wish more abusive parents would take advantage of it. I've seen enough severely handicapped and abused and neglected children that I honestly believe they would have been better off being thrown away as 6 wk fetuses instaed of being a thrown away 6 year old.

Sterilization for these monsters.

 

[Ravi]

Sorry, MM...guys with gay avatars aren't my thing.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Sorry, MM...guys with gay avatars aren't my thing.

Of course they are. Ravi doth protest!

 

[Si modo]

My body, my choice in the most unhypocritical sense.

 

[Ravi]

Sorry, MM...guys with gay avatars aren't my thing.

Of course they are. Ravi doth protest!

Okay, that was funny but I've given out too much rep in 24...you'll have to get in line.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Sorry, MM...guys with gay avatars aren't my thing.

Of course they are. Ravi doth protest!

Okay, that was funny but I've given out too much rep in 24...you'll have to get in line.

See? Your choice has been denied! Because you spread rep around like you spread your legs! WAY too often you hoe!

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I voted for #1. I believe it is wrong for the government or anyone to prevent women from having abortions. I believe it is also wrong for the government to oblige me to buy health insurance from a private provider. I however think it's right for the government to tax us in order to provide non profit healthcare.

Very good, IMO. I think I can agree with you there.

But thats what I said too ravi. now i'm really confused

And like i told Anguille it doesn't matter what its for you will never get me to happily go along with imposing any increased or new taxes, i will fight for cost and spending reductions to pay for it all day long.

Are you just splitting hairs trying to get me fired up or something? Or am I totally misunderstanding what you were getting at way back on page 1?

EDIT: Oh now I see its my gay avatar

 

[Missourian]

Sorry Pilgrim, I can't vote but I will give my opinion.

My concern is doctors killing unborn babies not controlling the bodily rights of others.

A doctors oath says "First, do no harm."

I believe they should be held to that principle.

A doctor could not perform a voluntary lobotomy.

A doctor could not perform an elective leg amputation.

So really, "my body, my choice" is fiction when applied in reality.

A doctor should be bound by law not to perform an abortion unless it serves a true medically necessary purpose.

 

[Ravi]

I voted for #1. I believe it is wrong for the government or anyone to prevent women from having abortions. I believe it is also wrong for the government to oblige me to buy health insurance from a private provider. I however think it's right for the government to tax us in order to provide non profit healthcare.

Very good, IMO. I think I can agree with you there.

But thats what I said too ravi. now i'm really confused

And like i told Anguille it doesn't matter what its for you will never get me to happily go along with imposing any increased or new taxes, i will fight for cost and spending reductions to pay for it all day long.

Are you just splitting hairs trying to get me fired up or something? Or am I totally misunderstanding what you were getting at way back on page 1?

EDIT: Oh now I see its my gay avatar

You left out her final sentence.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Shouldn't the poll be women only?

In a way, yes. .

But still if I was with a girl and she got pregnant and wanted an abortion I would hope that she at least discussed it with me first, not that I have the final say but it would be our child and I'd at least like to give my input. So the guys can vote on it too

I would hope that you would know that about the girl you were with before you had sex with her.

 

[MajikMyst]

I don't see how you can compare the two.

One is basically a tax, which the government can constitutionally levy.

The other is a civil rights issue.

Huh?

Should the government be funding abortion on demand with our tax dollars? It's a yes or no proposition.

Actually it isn't a yes or no proposition and you are taking a very narrow minded view of the issue..

First let me say that I don't believe an abortion should be available as a form of birth control.. I think a real effort to prevent the pregnancy should be made..

I think that an abortion should be available in the event of rape or incest..

But now to get to your question about money..

Healthcare is healthcare and you can't limit a part of it because you don't agree with it.. If abortions are not covered then you will start to see garage clinics pop up or women attempting it themselves with wire hangers.. Now you have the high risk of killing both the mother and the baby! Yeah you and all other pro lifers that are actually pro death they just don't know it.. The reality that was in the early 70's which brought forth the Roe. V Wade decision.. 40,000 some odd women died attempting to abort each year.. So that is 80,000 people counting the unborn babies.. Is that what you pro lifers want?

A women in her 2nd trimester developes a condition called preclampsia.. It causes her blood pressure to rise and the only way to stop it is to deliver the baby.. Viable or not the baby must be delivered.. Or should she be denied an abortion and left to die, in turn killing the baby as well..

Healthcare means having access to a safe clean and professional abortion clinic.. PERIOD!! Under our current laws and the Roe V wade ruling, yes tax dollars should pay for it..

But here is the real kicker!! Who do you think pays for it now? Any woman or teenager can go into a clinic and get an abortion reguardless of ability to pay.. Who do you think gets the bill?? Now would you rather not pay for it and have the teenager go to an abortion party in some guys garage in Florida?? Where she could die from an infection or unprofessional procedures... You make the call..

This abortion issue is really simple.. Ban it and more people die.. That is what you people call pro life.. The real answer is like I said above.. Birth control.. Prevent the pregnancy from happening.. Then and only then do you save a life.. So who is the pro lifer now?