Do you believe removing Saddam from power made Persian Gulf Oil supply safer and was the right move?

Do you believe removing Saddam from power made Persian Gulf Oil supply safer and was the right move?

  • YES

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 14 73.7%

  • Total voters
    19
Obviously removing Saddam from office opened up wounds between the Sunni and Shiites which eventually led to the emergence ISIS.
Saddam was a bad, bad man but as history shows his presence and his ability' kept peace between the Sunni and Shiites. Once he was disposed, that all changed. Even with US troops present, civil war broke our between the two factions. The fact that Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki marginalized and harassed the Sunni eventually led to radical Sunni creating ISIS. This led to the instability that is present in the oil rich region of the ME.
What you dont know is astounding.
Iraq was a stable country more or less when Bush left office. The sides had made accomodations with each other. Our withdrawal meant a power vacuum and ISIS emerged to fill it.

That post by kiwi-wee-wee is astounding in its stupidity.

Saddam was a bad, bad man but as history shows his presence and his ability' kept peace between the Sunni and Shiites

What was the Iran - Iraq War? A mooslum goat-fucker picnic??

I wonder, do you have to study to get that stupid or does it come naturally?

Seriously.

And if the ignorant fucking douche is talking about internal 'peace' then I bet he thinks North Korea is a fucking Utopia.

dimocraps are some truly stupid motherfuckers
They dont do complexity. They have no attention span, thus cannot read a book on the topic. Everything they know comes from Facebook headlines. And they have the memory of a gnat.
Watch when Kiwifool posts a graph. It is 100% guaranteed that the graph will not support whatever point he is trying to make. Nor can he explain it. He runs away every singel time.
 
Rabbi 11425457
Iraq was a stable country more or less when Bush left office.

False even though you wimp out with your "more or less" version of stability.

Reconciliation was never real. It was all a facade. Maliki was concentrating Shiite power in the army and police force and never reconciled anything with Sunni Iraqis.

Here is what really happened if you care to know the truth:

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In keeping with a 2008 security agreement between Iraq and the United States, about 50,000 U.S. military personnel remained in Iraq through much of 2011, though they had withdrawn from Iraqi cities in 2009 and formally ended combat operations in 2010. American and Iraqi political leaders had expected to agree on a reduced presence of up to 5,000 U.S. troops beyond 2011, but the Iraqi parliament refused to grant U.S. personnel immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law. Consequently, the last U.S. troops left the country in December 2011.

One day after the completion of the U.S. military withdrawal, tension once again arose between Sunni and Shiite political parties. In an apparent power grab by al-Malaki’s ruling coalition, an arrest warrant was issued for Vice President Tariq al-Hashmi, a Sunni politician, alleging him of running a “death squad” that targeted police and government officials. Al-Hashmi fled to Turkey in early 2012, but arrests of other Sunni, Baathist, and secular Shiite political figures continued, and al-Hashmi’s Sunni Iraqiya Party boycotted the parliament in protest. Al-Hashmi was tried and sentenced to death in absentia in September 2012. Trials against him and members of his party continued even after his conviction, and two more death sentences were leveled against him in November 2012.

The office and home of Finance Minister and Iraqiya political coalition member Rafie al-Issawi were raided by Iraqi security forces in December 2012, and 10 of his bodyguards were arrested on terrorism charges. The episode led thousands of opponents of al-Maliki’s government to participate in protests across the country. The combination of al-Hashmi’s exile and conviction, the raid on al-Issawi, and the December departure of President Talabani from the country due to a stroke and failing health deepened political distrust and division between Sunni and Shiite groups in Iraq. A resulting spike in violence was seen during the second half of 2012 with death tolls similar to the most violent months of 2010.

Iraq Freedom House

Rabbi 11425457
The sides had made accomodations with each other.

No they didn't - see above.




Rabbi 11425457
Our withdrawal meant a power vacuum and ISIS emerged to fill it.

Our Bush negotiated withdrawal meant nothing. We just saw The Iraq Army refuse to stand and fight when a sandstorm hit Ramadi. If they won't stand and fight now they were not going to stand and fight ever if Americans remained fighting for them forever. You are sickening to wish that American troops keep dying for Iraqis forever since Bush destroyed all stability in 2003. That is sickening to keep hearing Americans talk like McCain and Graham for having endless American casualties in Iraq.
 
Not a yes/no answer.....sadaam was getting ready to rake in money when the sanctions regime was lifted.....a threat to the whole region...not to forget restarting his weapons production......
and had we left troops in Iraq and Afganistan and kept sanctions against iran, and treated them as the actual threat they are.......then yes......but pulling out our troops, long before we ever did in any other country...Germany, Italy, South Korea, Japan,.........has created a major problem.....

What you say is true but the war should never have been waged to begin with. Everything wrong in Iraq right now is our fault. Just as it is in Lybia. One shitstain after another. Everything we touch there turns to shit.

And the Iraqi government as ruled by Iran had no interest in allowing foreign troops to remain in country. Ours included. We were in effect given the bums rush.
 
U2Edge 11424968
Tell that to people that live in Kuwait. Kuwait was the first country since World War II to be invaded and overrun and then officially annexed by a foreign country. This type of behavior by SADDAM had not been seen since it was done in the 1940s by Hitler.

Bush 41 liberated Kuwait in accordance with international law, 12 years before Bush 43 bombed, invaded, occupied and reaped so much havoc on Iraq starting in March 2003 that Iraq is still torn apart 12 years later. So the 2003 U.S. Invasion of Iraq, when the U.N was verifying the disarming of Iraq peacefully in 2003, by your standard was a horrific decision by Bush 43 as well.
 

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