Does Bernie Sanders understand his socialism?

[TNHarley]

As president, Senator Bernie Sanders will:

1. Sign comprehensive immigration reform into law to bring over 11 million undocumented workers out of the shadows. We cannot continue to run an economy where millions are made so vulnerable because of their undocumented status.
2. Oppose tying immigration reform to the building of a border fence. Undocumented workers come to the United States to escape economic hardship and political persecution. Tying reform to unrealistic and unwise border patrol proposals renders the promise illusory for millions seeking legal status.
3. Sign the DREAM Act into law to offer the opportunity of permanent residency and eventual citizenship to young people who were brought to the United States as children. We must recognize the young men and women who comprise the DREAMers for who they are – American kids who deserve the right to legally be in the country they know as home.
4. Expand President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to include the parents of citizens, parents of legal permanent residents, and the parents of DREAMERs. We need to pursue policies that unites families and does not tear them apart.
5. Authorize and substantially increase funding for the Legal Services Corporation to provide legal representation to guest workers who have been abused by their employers. Further, employers should be required to reimburse guest workers for housing, transportation expenses and workers’ compensation.
6. Substantially increase prevailing wages that employers are required to pay temporary guest workers. If there is a true labor shortage, employers should be offering higher, not lower wages.
7. Rewrite our trade policies to end the race to the bottom and lift the living standards of workers in this country and our trading partners. Not only have free trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA hurt U.S. workers, they have been a disaster for small farmers in Mexico and Central America

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He likes to throw up Denmark as we could all tell form the debates. Why didn't he mention them when he was spouting his rhetoric about immigration? Is it because they have some of the strictest laws in the world? Imagine that, a democratic socialist country not bending backwords for illegals?
What about Sweden?
Do they actually UNDERSTAND what democratic socialism means and know they cant have immigration like we do?Sweden: Why Socialism and Immigration Clash - The Last Resistance


Jimmie Akesson, the leader of the Sweden Democrats, has a simple explanation for the lack of jobs. “If you allow more asylum seekers into the country than the number of jobs you can create, the result is obvious,” he said in a recent speech. Sweden expects more than 90,000 asylum seekers this year, a huge number in a county of only 10 million people. According to the United Nations, Sweden received the most asylum applications per person in the world from 2009 through 2013. . . . Akesson calls for cutting back on asylum acceptances, requiring immigrants to pass language tests, and trimming immigrants’ welfare benefits.



Immigration To Denmark - Immigration | Laws.com

People who are seeking immigration to Denmark have a high chance of acceptance if they are well educated in respective fields of education and professional studies
So they don't let bottom of the barrel losers in. Why cant they be like Bernie? He wants to legalize criminals.. Why doesn't Denmark do that? Is it because they care about their citizens?
Another snip :
This is because there is a large job shortage in Denmark, and they are looking for immigration to Denmark in order to solve this.
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LOL imagine that. No one working.. Is it because they tax the fuck out of everyone and they don't have a reason to work? Sorry, I digress..


Why cant people ever be consistent with their bullshit? It is because he is ignorant on his premise, or is it just pandering? If its just pandering, he doesn't care about America the way he says he does..

 

[TNHarley]

I hope Disir comes and clears all this up

 

[Penelope]

I thought he was anti free trade and anti TPP. He wants a one payer medical system as well. I like ACA better than a single payer. No I can't go along with his stand on immigration and free college. Then again I can't stand the GOP when they want to do away with ACA, SS and Medicare and Planned Parenthood. Trump is looking good to me.

I hate to say this, there has been one RC in office and he didn't make it 3 years , and I really do not want a Jewish President, because they brag enough about how many Nobel prize winners they have, and to have them say, you have a Jewish president, and they will shove it down our face. No offense , I like Bernie and I know he is married to a RC, but I just could not listen to , America has a Jew for President.

 

[MisterBeale]

I'll clear it up for you. The reason Denmark and Sweden can't do this, is because they don't control the world economy, they don't own the world's reserve currency. If the US needs more money to cover these programs, well, they can just crank up the presses. They do it for the current social programs. They did it for all the Republican wars, and for Obama's wars, why can't they do it for this? You think they will shut down the presses when social security and Obamacare go bankrupt? Not a chance. So what's the harm in cranking it up some more?

 

[TNHarley]

I thought he was anti free trade and anti TPP. He wants a one payer medical system as well. I like ACA better than a single payer. No I can't go along with his stand on immigration and free college. Then again I can't stand the GOP when they want to do away with ACA, SS and Medicare and Planned Parenthood. Trump is looking good to me.

I hate to say this, there has been one RC in office and he didn't make it 3 years , and I really do not want a Jewish President, because they brag enough about how many Nobel prize winners they have, and to have them say, you have a Jewish president, and they will shove it down our face. No offense , I like Bernie and I know he is married to a RC, but I just could not listen to , America has a Jew for President.

He is as far as i know..
I prefer capitalism in healthcare, personally. I wish they would have battled costs. Because costs is what started up this healthcare bullshit in the first place. I find that awfully weird.. And Americans stupid..
Now, instead of having whatever coverage you feel like you should have, their are standards. Sorry, but the govt doesn't know what is best for me. Only I do.. And it is damn well NOT their place to FORCE me to purchase a FOR PROFIT product or face fines!
"What about the the ER money we lose because they don't have coverage"? Fuck em. Im sorry, but I don't want to take care of you. I have my own family. And thanks to these globalist republicans, jobs are hard to come by. Besides retail that is..

 

[Arianrhod]

I prefer capitalism in healthcare, personally. I wish they would have battled costs. Because costs is what started up this healthcare bullshit in the first place. I find that awfully weird.. And Americans stupid..

Nothing weird about it if you look at which lobbyists have which members of Congress in their pockets.

As for Sanders, he apparently underestimated the percentage of Americans who are terrified of words.

 

[TNHarley]

I prefer capitalism in healthcare, personally. I wish they would have battled costs. Because costs is what started up this healthcare bullshit in the first place. I find that awfully weird.. And Americans stupid..

Nothing weird about it if you look at which lobbyists have which members of Congress in their pockets.

As for Sanders, he apparently underestimated the percentage of Americans who are terrified of words.

terrified of words?

 

[Arianrhod]

I prefer capitalism in healthcare, personally. I wish they would have battled costs. Because costs is what started up this healthcare bullshit in the first place. I find that awfully weird.. And Americans stupid..

Nothing weird about it if you look at which lobbyists have which members of Congress in their pockets.

As for Sanders, he apparently underestimated the percentage of Americans who are terrified of words.

terrified of words?

Mainly one at the moment (subject to change as soon as Rush starts working a new one into every sentence), seldom understood, believed to be imbued with magic powers, spoken (and even posted) in a high-pitched shriek: "SOCIALISM!!!!!11!"

 

[TNHarley]

I prefer capitalism in healthcare, personally. I wish they would have battled costs. Because costs is what started up this healthcare bullshit in the first place. I find that awfully weird.. And Americans stupid..

Nothing weird about it if you look at which lobbyists have which members of Congress in their pockets.

As for Sanders, he apparently underestimated the percentage of Americans who are terrified of words.

terrified of words?

Mainly one at the moment (subject to change as soon as Rush starts working a new one into every sentence), seldom understood, believed to be imbued with magic powers, spoken (and even posted) in a high-pitched shriek: "SOCIALISM!!!!!11!"

Any reference to Marxism has always been a big no-no in America because we became the number one country in the world because of capitalism.
And socialism in particular because we left big government. that's why we are here lol.

 

[mascale]

Socialism and Socialist economics are of recent origins in history. There is more basis of economic equality in the New Testament than there is in even Marxist concepts. Famously in New Testament Acts, people even sell what they own, put the proceeds to the feet of the Apostles, who then distribute all of that, according to needs. Immigration, in a civilization controlled by Rome, was mainly anti-Barbarian--and military. Bible Gateway passage: Acts 4:32-35 - New International Version

The Make Work Pay Refundable Income Tax Credit would have blunted the Sanders ascendency to a Presidential Nomination. The Republicans took it away in 2011, almost first order of business. The basis for the credit is New Testament: Matthew 20:1-16. The refundable credit, and the story denarius, are paid regardless if the recipient had worked all they day or not, or all the year or not. Recently, anyone mainly had to file paperwork for the money, in the more recent application. The amount was the same for the rich or less rich, or the people successively lesser income, down the income scale. The boost to the market place would then have fueled most major levels of higher paying labor requirements.

So from Obama-Biden, everyone adult could get $400.00. Like in the New Testament story, then it would be said to be off to the marketplace, and likely while there was still sunshine enabling vision: To do with the equally received amount--freely. It could be spent, or even partially spent, or put to the exchangers. Effectively, Inverse Usury was suggested as a viable economic reform. Mainly that didn't happen until Obama-Biden, and full-scale national basis. The usury effects are more what happened in the recent foreclosure crisis, an impact of usury: Matthew 25:14-30. The household should have been enriched 8 talents. It was only enriched seven. The household lost both income, and one servant. More recently, people got thrown into foreclosure, and left without even work or other income. The rich houses all came tumbling on down.

After New Testament, going forward: Mohammed, the Prophet, made no note of the stories. Adam Smith, of Capitalist "Wealth of Nations," made no note of the stores. By then it was 1776. Seventy years after that, Karl Marx made no note of the stories. Eighty years after that, gay John Maynard Keynes made no note of the stories. Usury became a centerpiece of his arithmetic. When everything failed--I would put it--"He bade the people bend over, and await the Public Works!"

Socialists tend not to mention, much, about the stories!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Now White Eyes want new Yellow Hair, also popular in many places: Maybe to make many jealous--unlike Yellow Hair at Little Big Horn!)

 

[Arianrhod]

Any reference to Marxism has always been a big no-no in America because we became the number one country in the world because of capitalism.
And socialism in particular because we left big government. that's why we are here lol.

(A) If you're going to conflate socialism with Marxism, it suggests you don't adequately understand either and (B) If you don't understand that the U.S. is not 100% capitalist, then further discussion is problematic.

What's of greater concern to me is the number of GOP candidates who want to turn this country into a theocracy. Not that any of them will succeed, but it's disconcerting to see how many Americans nod and smile and say "Amen."

 

[TNHarley]

Socialism and Socialist economics are of recent origins in history. There is more basis of economic equality in the New Testament than there is in even Marxist concepts. Famously in New Testament Acts, people even sell what they own, put the proceeds to the feet of the Apostles, who then distribute all of that, according to needs. Immigration, in a civilization controlled by Rome, was mainly anti-Barbarian--and military. Bible Gateway passage: Acts 4:32-35 - New International Version

The Make Work Pay Refundable Income Tax Credit would have blunted the Sanders ascendency to a Presidential Nomination. The Republicans took it away in 2011, almost first order of business. The basis for the credit is New Testament: Matthew 20:1-16. The refundable credit, and the story denarius, are paid regardless if the recipient had worked all they day or not, or all the year or not. Recently, anyone mainly had to file paperwork for the money, in the more recent application. The amount was the same for the rich or less rich, or the people successively lesser income, down the income scale. The boost to the market place would then have fueled most major levels of higher paying labor requirements.

So from Obama-Biden, everyone adult could get $400.00. Like in the New Testament story, then it would be said to be off to the marketplace, and likely while there was still sunshine enabling vision: To do with the equally received amount--freely. It could be spent, or even partially spent, or put to the exchangers. Effectively, Inverse Usury was suggested as a viable economic reform. Mainly that didn't happen until Obama-Biden, and full-scale national basis. The usury effects are more what happened in the recent foreclosure crisis, an impact of usury: Matthew 25:14-30. The household should have been enriched 8 talents. It was only enriched seven. The household lost both income, and one servant. More recently, people got thrown into foreclosure, and left without even work or other income. The rich houses all came tumbling on down.

After New Testament, going forward: Mohammed, the Prophet, made no note of the stories. Adam Smith, of Capitalist "Wealth of Nations," made no note of the stores. By then it was 1776. Seventy years after that, Karl Marx made no note of the stories. Eighty years after that, gay John Maynard Keynes made no note of the stories. Usury became a centerpiece of his arithmetic. When everything failed--I would put it--"He bade the people bend over, and await the Public Works!"

Socialists tend not to mention, much, about the stories!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Now White Eyes want new Yellow Hair, also popular in many places: Maybe to make many jealous--unlike Yellow Hair at Little Big Horn!)

Religion has no place in govt. Thanks though.

 

[TNHarley]

Any reference to Marxism has always been a big no-no in America because we became the number one country in the world because of capitalism.
And socialism in particular because we left big government. that's why we are here lol.

(A) If you're going to conflate socialism with Marxism, it suggests you don't adequately understand either and (B) If you don't understand that the U.S. is not 100% capitalist, then further discussion is problematic.

What's of greater concern to me is the number of GOP candidates who want to turn this country into a theocracy. Not that any of them will succeed, but it's disconcerting to see how many Americans nod and smile and say "Amen."

Im not. There is a big difference. You wont hear me calling Cuba Marxist or any other mislabeling people do to countries and their property/economic theories.
I also know we aren't 100% capitalism. I LOVE capitalism and what it has done for our country but I also know it has its flaws like everything else does. Minimal regulation is needed, IMO.
Religion has no place in our govt.

 

[TNHarley]

I said Marxist when I meant communism. sorry

 

[Arianrhod]

I said Marxist when I meant communism. sorry

But socialism is not communism. You want pure communism? Look at First Century Christianity.

 

[CowboyTed]

If you want to stop immigration:

Stop buying their drugs.
Stop shipping them arms.

That's a start.
Then they have a half chance of rescuing the country from drug lords and gangs...

 

[TNHarley]

I said Marxist when I meant communism. sorry

But socialism is not communism. You want pure communism? Look at First Century Christianity.

Absolutely not. There is a BIG difference.
Pure communism is like the way people lived in the 11th century lol
The actual premise of communism isn't at all bad. I do think it is unrealistic. Especially in this country. 320 million people? No way Jose!
I guess, Marxism = conformity. Which is ridiculous with the diversity first world countries have..
But I digress... again lol

 

[Mac1958]

Trying to discuss the merits & weaknesses of socialism and social democracy is a waste of time if we're not all starting with the same definitions.

Ain't it?
.

 

[TNHarley]

If you want to stop immigration:

Stop buying their drugs.
Stop shipping them arms.

That's a start.
Then they have a half chance of rescuing the country from drug lords and gangs...

Legalize drugs. Lets be realistic... No reason why something grown in a ditch is illegal.. Look at prohibition of alcohol.. Usage, related crimes etc all went down when they got rid of that bullshit..
Fine employers MASSIVELY
mandatory e-verify
illegals get nothing. No schooling, there wont be jobs for them if they do the other 2, no handouts, no drivers licenses etc. NOTHING.
That is how you wills top it.
Amnesty and the do-nothing form the republicans certainly wont help. Obviously. Look at history. Our immigration is the definition of insanity.. So is our foreign policy for that matter..

 

[TNHarley]

Trying to discuss the merits & weaknesses of socialism and social democracy is a waste of time if we're not all starting with the same definitions.

Ain't it?
.

Please do so, sir.