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Henry David Thoreau, was he an anti-American piece of shit? Clearly you think anyone who sympathizes with a person's right to refuse allegiance to the government is.The only way you can attack their protest is by appealing to motive. That is what you are doing and it is a logical fallacy.I am not denying that they have the right to do what they are doing.
I have said that dozens of times in this thread, you moron.
You are using that to cowardly avoid dealing with what I am actually saying.
Also, fuck you.
Their protest is kneeling, ie the opposite of standing, during the national anthem. That is an expression of disrespect. Obviously.
I am not attacking their protest. I am attacking THEM, for being anti-American pieces of shit.
1. The flag is not a symbol of the government but the nation as a whole, and all of it's citizens.
2.The kneelers are refusing allegiance to their fellow citizens, while still benefiting from being citizens. They are thus disloyal elements without our nation. That is a problem.
2b If they renounced their citizens ship, to a nation they obviously deplore, that would be fine.
3. But thank you for admitting that this is about refusing allegiance. So many of your fellow libs are lying about that.I am not objecting to their exercising their right to speech. I am judging them on what they are saying.
The entire defense of these pieces of anti-American shit, rests on lying about what our complaint about them is.
Complain as much as you wish. It changes nothing.
This is a discussion forum. You have over 5 thousand posts, so you dismissing my posting of my opinion is not credible. Dismissed.
They are not anti American. They individually pay more taxes to support this corrupt government than you will earn in two lifetimes.
During an unity ritual, where standing is done to show Patriotism, they instead do the exact opposite of standing.
They are anti-American pieces of shit.
The ability to protest peacefully is part of the right of being an American citizen in case you didnt know it. And what they are "saying" is part of the right to free speech. That is not a lie. It 8s a truth that you are too obtuse to comprehend.
When their employers, decided to back them on this, then indeed, they were well within their rights to "say" what they are saying.
This is no longer in contention. That you lefties keep bringing it up, is because you know that your claim that their actions do not reveal their anti-Americanism is so absurd that constantly hurling strawmen is the only way you can defend their actions.
They are anti-American pieces of shit.
They are kneeling at a time when standing is called for to show respect.
THat is not me "setting a standard". but me pointing out the obvious meaning of their actions.
So you're a "master of the obvious"? Anyone who posts here knows that it is a discussion forum, Einstein.
I did not "dismiss" your posting your opinion(no matter how absurd), about anything.
It's part of the right to free speech, just like the NFL players are exercising.
Rather than continue a futile attempt to make sense to the likes of you, the following is a statement by the court, regarding a case where draconian thinking individuals like you were unfortunately responsible for the administration of a school district, These school officials actually threatened students who did not salute the flag with expulsion and other punitive actions. And the students knew their rights.
"True patriots welcome dissent and protest, even when it touches the flag. To the Court, true patriots recognize that the U.S. is strong enough to appeal to people on its own, without mandates from above: “To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous, instead of a compulsory routine, is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds.”
So based on that observation by legal professionals, this has nothing to do with one leaning left or right, as you often foolishly attempt to illustrate.
The glaring fact here is that YOU are sure as hell no "patriot" and are far more "Anti American" than those who choose not to stand and salute the flag.
Do you think that Patriotism is flourishing in this nation?
Do you think it should flourish?
A live and let live society that obeys the laws of the land and repects the rights of others, IS patriotic in my opinion.
Rituals do not necessarily define patriotism.
But mutual respect and actions that support the rights that come with being a citizen in this country,does
Ok. Using the normal definition of the word,
Patriotism - Wikipedia
"Patriotism or national pride is the ideology of love and devotion to a homeland, and a sense of alliance with other citizens who share the same values. This attachment can be a combination of many different features relating to one's own homeland, including ethnic, cultural, political or historical aspects. "
do you think that Patriotism is flourishing in this nation?
Do you think it should flourish?