Domestic Violence Shooting in California

[emilynghiem]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
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Dear 1stRambo
WRONG More cases have warning signs than not.

More criminal cases are like Jeffrey Daumer, who tortured animals long before he started targeting people. Fewer cases are like Ted Bundy who hid his sickness behind an impressive facade that fooled everyone. it's like Cancer and similar diseases, the cases of getting warning signs or changes that people can recognize increase as people share more knowledge OPENLY (instead of denying these problems exist and getting numb to them).

There was even a partnership project between volunteers against animal abuse and against domestic abuse because of the common pattern. If someone is sick, and dominates others with a sociopathic lack of empathy, it makes sense it would show in more than one area, well in advance.

Problem is people aren't trained to identify and refer those at risk to get help.
So that's why people don't know what to do in order to make sure the person at risk gets the right help before it's too late.

 

[1stRambo]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
View attachment 68939

Dear 1stRambo
WRONG More cases have warning signs than not.

More criminal cases are like Jeffrey Daumer, who tortured animals long before he started targeting people. Fewer cases are like Ted Bundy who hid his sickness behind an impressive facade that fooled everyone. it's like Cancer and similar diseases, the cases of getting warning signs or changes that people can recognize increase as people share more knowledge OPENLY (instead of denying these problems exist and getting numb to them).

There was even a partnership project between volunteers against animal abuse and against domestic abuse because of the common pattern. If someone is sick, and dominates others with a sociopathic lack of empathy, it makes sense it would show in more than one area, well in advance.

Problem is people aren't trained to identify and refer those at risk to get help.
So that's why people don't know what to do in order to make sure the person at stake learns
to "make it through" with how most people do things normally at risk.

Yo, Emily? I wish you were right? But it`s not possible to see everyday crazies? If they are going to kill? They will! You are sounding like the Socialist Democrat Party, and wanting to take our GUNS? Not going to happen in America!

"GTP"

 

[Carla_Danger]

The OP was too long.

I recently was in an abusive relationship. It's the testosterone. He went to hit me but I stood him down with words.

Wait, you're blaming physical abuse on testosterone? I've never heard that one before.

 

[The Great Goose]

The OP was too long.

I recently was in an abusive relationship. It's the testosterone. He went to hit me but I stood him down with words.

Wait, you're blaming physical abuse on testosterone? I've never heard that one before.

Yes. He cant handle his testosterone. Ive heard it before?

 

[Carla_Danger]

The OP was too long.

I recently was in an abusive relationship. It's the testosterone. He went to hit me but I stood him down with words.

Wait, you're blaming physical abuse on testosterone? I've never heard that one before.

Yes. He cant handle his testosterone. Ive heard it before?

I guess that excuse is as good as any.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"
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so you don't believe there should be laws against, murder, because, hey, if it's your time, you gotta go?

that may be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

As long as its women and children being killed by abusive jerks, yep - that's exactly what he believes.

 

[jillian]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"
View attachment 68935

so you don't believe there should be laws against, murder, because, hey, if it's your time, you gotta go?

that may be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

As long as its women and children being killed by abusive jerks, yep - that's exactly what he believes.

someone should tell him how many women/children are killed by abusers. then maybe he'd worry more about that then about people who aren't ever going where he is.

 

[1stRambo]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"
View attachment 68935

so you don't believe there should be laws against, murder, because, hey, if it's your time, you gotta go?

that may be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

As long as its women and children being killed by abusive jerks, yep - that's exactly what he believes.

Yo, Dunce? Men get killed by Jealous Men everyday FOOL!

"GTP"

 

[2aguy]

This is one reason why it's smart to get guns out of the hands of perpetrators of domestic violence. The incidence of death increases exponentially when guns are in homes where domestic violence is perpetrated.

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
View attachment 68939

yes, there is. if someone ends up with an order of protection against him due to domestic violence, he loses his right to have guns.

end of story.

Unless of course they are in the middle of a divorce...and one step is the automatic request for a protection order for legal leverage............

Stripping rights away with paperwork is not how it is done...show the guy has an actual record and then we can talk....and you nuts don't realize....the attacker can also claim abuse and strip his future victim of her gun as well......then he can use the 9.99 hatchet from Wal Mart to murder her without having to worry about being shot.....

 

[2aguy]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

Yo, another words? Be armed and ready to blow away an un-American Dumb-Ass!!!

"GTP"
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Oh oh....... Here comes Rambo.

YoYo is a silly twerp and the opposite of the fictional character he pretends to be but

This story illustrates the belief of some nutters that those who beat up on women should be armed.

Just FYI for y'all - Men who murder their wives get an average of 7 years in prison. Women who kill abusive husbands in self defense get life in prison or death.

Yeah......coming from you I will need to see an actual link on that.....not that I don't trust you...I just really don't f*****g trust you.......

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"
View attachment 68935

so you don't believe there should be laws against, murder, because, hey, if it's your time, you gotta go?

that may be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

As long as its women and children being killed by abusive jerks, yep - that's exactly what he believes.

someone should tell him how many women/children are killed by abusers. then maybe he'd worry more about that then about people who aren't ever going where he is.

Notice that he judged the killing of women and children as "funny".

That is not how REAL MEN see it.

Notice too that he chose a fictional character known for being ever so terribly macho. IOW, everything that YoYo is not.

Says everything we need to know about YoYo.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Hi Dhara I would focus on the counseling to address relationship abuse, and addictive/bullying
personality disorders.

The economy in that, is the same therapy and healing process it takes to cut through cycles
and generations of abuse, addiction, mental or physical illness also leads to resolving any number
of related social ills stemming from these roots.

By solving the root problem, then a host of other social, psychological, financial and political issues also can be axed at the root.

The hardest selling point? The therapy methods that work the best are FREE.
So these cannot be lobbied and sold through big pharm or PACs.

The natural methods that are most cost effective are basically
competing with interests in making more money off the problems,
including buying influence to promote their agenda through the media.

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
View attachment 68939

yes, there is. if someone ends up with an order of protection against him due to domestic violence, he loses his right to have guns.

end of story.

Unless of course they are in the middle of a divorce...and one step is the automatic request for a protection order for legal leverage............

Stripping rights away with paperwork is not how it is done...show the guy has an actual record and then we can talk....and you nuts don't realize....the attacker can also claim abuse and strip his future victim of her gun as well......then he can use the 9.99 hatchet from Wal Mart to murder her without having to worry about being shot.....

"actual record"
How do you think that's accomplished?

You really do live in LaLaLand.

And its "men" like you and YoYo that are the reason so many women and children are murdered by abusive men.

Get a clue.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

Yo, another words? Be armed and ready to blow away an un-American Dumb-Ass!!!

"GTP"
View attachment 68932

Oh oh....... Here comes Rambo.

YoYo is a silly twerp and the opposite of the fictional character he pretends to be but

This story illustrates the belief of some nutters that those who beat up on women should be armed.

Just FYI for y'all - Men who murder their wives get an average of 7 years in prison. Women who kill abusive husbands in self defense get life in prison or death.

Yeah......coming from you I will need to see an actual link on that.....not that I don't trust you...I just really don't f*****g trust you.......

Well then - should you ever find your way to the InterWebs,

GOOGLE it.

 

[2aguy]

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
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yes, there is. if someone ends up with an order of protection against him due to domestic violence, he loses his right to have guns.

end of story.

Unless of course they are in the middle of a divorce...and one step is the automatic request for a protection order for legal leverage............

Stripping rights away with paperwork is not how it is done...show the guy has an actual record and then we can talk....and you nuts don't realize....the attacker can also claim abuse and strip his future victim of her gun as well......then he can use the 9.99 hatchet from Wal Mart to murder her without having to worry about being shot.....

"actual record"
How do you think that's accomplished?

You really do live in LaLaLand.

And its "men" like you and YoYo that are the reason so many women and children are murdered by abusive men.

Get a clue.

fuck you asswipe...the reason women are murdered by abusive men is they listen to left wing nut jobs, have kids with baby daddies without marriage, who end up killing them....twit.

 

[2aguy]

I got an alert at work in Houston about a shooting at one of the stores in California.
Apparently the store employees were trained to follow an emergency protocol on how to evacuate customers out of the store. One customer got shot in the hand, and the target of the gunman was shot later in a standoff outside. The employee was reported in critical condition, and only the gunman died after being shot by police.

I hate to hear of this, especially right after reading about the doctor in Louisiana shot dead by a mentally ill man.

But the good news here, at least the gunman didn't get anyone killed but himself.
The employees were prepared, followed protocol and reduced the risks of worse damage or death.
The police acted effectively, where there were no additional losses. (I'm still sorry this man couldn't be saved from himself; I wish we could have earlier intervention and learn to diffuse these situations before the point of no return.)

Also, when the information came to me directly from the top, to make sure the correct information was disseminated, the media reports appear to be consistent with what was confirmed by people at the site.
I took that as a good sign, and hope of transparency that we can get our media to match what really happens.

I've lived through crises where the reality on the ground is nothing like what is reported in the news. Overall I was impressed that the police and employees were able to manage this and cap the damages and losses. I am sorry for the people who got shot, including the gunman and really hope to see prevention in the future.

If more people respond this effectively to deadly shootings, terror attacks, etc.
we can survive and prevent more fatalities in the future.

My thanks go to the police and the professional management training that worked as well as could be asked.
My heart goes out to the shooting victims, staff and customers affected by this incident,
and the families and community that have to deal with the aftermath.

May it lead to healing and greater understanding, appreciation of what went right here,
and outreach to prevent such abuse and violence by earlier intervention before it's too late to save someone.

May all the people who need help, find help without having to cry out in this way.
So sad, at the same time I am glad, grateful for how professionally all the people responded.
Reminds me of the Arizona shooting, and how the focus on positive response by the community
did more to inspire me with hope that outweighed the negative feelings surrounding that tragedy.

For all the humble unsung heroes out there who make all the difference in life,
Thank you!

====================================
Here is the story online:
Gunman Critically Wounds Ex-Girlfriend During Hourslong Hostage Standoff, Is Fatally Shot by Officers

A woman was critically injured during an apparent "domestic violence shooting" after being held hostage, and her ex-boyfriend was killed by police after a nearly three-hour long standoff on Thursday, according to authorities.

Authorities initially received a call around 2:20 p.m. regarding a man firing a gun in the parking lot of an Office Depot on Orange Street, according to a news release from the Redlands Police Department.


Redlands police officers were at the scene of a hostage standoff on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

The alleged gunman, later identified by police as 29-year-old Andrew Mike, then entered the store in search of his recently estranged girlfriend, the release stated.

A confrontation allegedly occurred inside the store and Mike again fired his weapon, this time striking a bystander who was hit in the hand.

Redlands police Chief Mark Garcia tweeted that one person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening.


One person was shot inside the store at onset of the incident, and had injuries that were not life-threatening, police said. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Police said Mike then forced the woman, identified by her father as Kristin Bauer, 28, to leave the store through a back exit and walk eastbound into a residential area on High Street.

The two could be seen sitting in a grassy area next to the street surrounded by a SWAT team and sharp-shooters, aerials from Sky5 showed.

"Crisis negotiators spent over two hours trying to secure the release of the hostage and a safe conclusion to the event," according to the release.


Authorities tried to negotiate with a gunman in Redlands who was holding his ex-girlfriend hostage on Thursday, March 24, 2016. (Credit: Southern California News Group)

Greg Bauer told the San Bernardino Sun that he spoke with his daughter by cellphone during the terrifying ordeal.

"She kept telling him, 'You gotta let me go. You gotta let me go.' And, he said, 'I'm not afraid to die,'" Bauer told the newspaper.

Just after 4:30 p.m., Mike shot Kristin Bauer and an officer-involved shooting occurred.

Mike was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Bachman said at a news conference following the shooting.

Kristin Bauer was transported to Loma Linda University Medical Center by helicopter.

She was listed in critical condition.

The Redlands Police Department was investigating the crimes that occurred in the Office Depot parking lot and store. The San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the investigation into the shooting that occurred on High Avenue.

Yo, another words? Be armed and ready to blow away an un-American Dumb-Ass!!!

"GTP"
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Oh oh....... Here comes Rambo.

YoYo is a silly twerp and the opposite of the fictional character he pretends to be but

This story illustrates the belief of some nutters that those who beat up on women should be armed.

Just FYI for y'all - Men who murder their wives get an average of 7 years in prison. Women who kill abusive husbands in self defense get life in prison or death.

Yeah......coming from you I will need to see an actual link on that.....not that I don't trust you...I just really don't f*****g trust you.......

Well then - should you ever find your way to the InterWebs,

GOOGLE it.

You can't back it up....thought not....

 

[Katzndogz]

Make sure the abused are armed and trained with a variety of weapons.

 

[jillian]

counseling? relationship advice?

abusers are recidivists. their abuse increases, it doesn't decrease.

you take guns away from abusers first... then worry about "relationship counseling".

Yo, if it`s your time to see GOD? Nothing you can do about it! Gun, Knife, Car, Brick, Frying Pan, or just a rope or wire, you cannot stop a killing!!! If someone wants to kill someone? It`s going to happen! Don`t be naive!!!

"GTP"
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so you don't believe there should be laws against, murder, because, hey, if it's your time, you gotta go?

that may be one of the dumbest things i've ever heard.

As long as its women and children being killed by abusive jerks, yep - that's exactly what he believes.

someone should tell him how many women/children are killed by abusers. then maybe he'd worry more about that then about people who aren't ever going where he is.

Notice that he judged the killing of women and children as "funny".

That is not how REAL MEN see it.

Notice too that he chose a fictional character known for being ever so terribly macho. IOW, everything that YoYo is not.

Says everything we need to know about YoYo.

none of that was lost on me.

 

[jillian]

Hi jillian I am talking about identifying the disorder BEFORE anyone grabs a gun.
Some of these men start the bullying when they are kids, and the behavior gets worse.

With some people I know personally, looking back, we would have intervened sooner
at the first sign they had this bullying mentality, because later it escalated into criminal incidents
blamed on mood disorders and mental illness.

So there are signs early on, if people know what to look for
and know what kind of help is needed and where to get that kind of support.

Too many families don't know where to get help, or will get their
loved ones punished instead of getting them help if they report it.

(You seem to be talking about the point where confrontation with guns occurs,
and yes I agree the first step is to isolate the guns or shooter as much as possible.

I am talking in general, how to start SCREENING for mental illness or disorders
way in advance -- such as with students and teachers in schools doing peer counseling
to find where the hidden risks are -- so individuals at risk can get specialized help instead of hiding it until they commit visible crimes to bring this to the attention of others.)

Hi Emily, Yo, nobody is going to see a nut in public, unless he acts like one? So, there is no solution, period!

"GTP"
View attachment 68939

yes, there is. if someone ends up with an order of protection against him due to domestic violence, he loses his right to have guns.

end of story.

Unless of course they are in the middle of a divorce...and one step is the automatic request for a protection order for legal leverage............

Stripping rights away with paperwork is not how it is done...show the guy has an actual record and then we can talk....and you nuts don't realize....the attacker can also claim abuse and strip his future victim of her gun as well......then he can use the 9.99 hatchet from Wal Mart to murder her without having to worry about being shot.....

"actual record"
How do you think that's accomplished?

You really do live in LaLaLand.

And its "men" like you and YoYo that are the reason so many women and children are murdered by abusive men.

Get a clue.

fuck you asswipe...the reason women are murdered by abusive men is they listen to left wing nut jobs, have kids with baby daddies without marriage, who end up killing them....twit.

are you insane?

never mind. rhetorical question.

domestic violence is one of the few crimes that crosses all social, economic, ethnic and racial barriers.

before you speak you should really learn something.... anything.

 

[jillian]

Make sure the abused are armed and trained with a variety of weapons.

no, nutcase... that isn't how it works.

 

[2aguy]

Make sure the abused are armed and trained with a variety of weapons.

no, nutcase... that isn't how it works.

That is how it works....a male killer can murder with his hands, or a Wal Mart hatchet...the female victim...cowering behind her order of protection is better off using a gun to shoot the killer.....