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[Snouter]

Rubber Room thread. TDS folks stock up on Prep H ASAP. It is only going to get worse for your delusional insanity.

 

[Ambivalent1]

They could not find definitive meaning there was not enough or not any evidence at all...

So in the end the Collusion argument is dead and should be dropped but alas the left need it Benghazi...

No, it means what it says, and in order to pursue charges it takes a mountain of evidence, which is hard to find when dealing with governments who can use people that is extremely hard to tie back to them.

For example, Erik Prince may not be considered part of Trump's campaign team, but he was busted for meeting with Russians... and is Trump's Sec. of Education Betsy Devos' brother.

So Mueller's team could not find enough definitive evidence to prove conspiracy, but also said they could not exonerate Trump's team either.

Too funny....tell me....is it a Prosecutors to "exonerate" ANYONE?

Mueller was doing an investigation, and is a special counsel, not a prosecutor. Any time Mueller felt he had enough to charge someone, he passed it off to someone else. Have you been in a cave the last 2 years?

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion. But to the POINT Mueller SPECIFICALLY SAID NO COLLUSION. God you morons are dumb as rocks. Now be specific and show us where Trump Obstructed Mueller in any way......

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion.

Actually it does if the obstruction was meant to conceal facts concerning collusion.

 

[Redfish]

No, it means what it says, and in order to pursue charges it takes a mountain of evidence, which is hard to find when dealing with governments who can use people that is extremely hard to tie back to them.

For example, Erik Prince may not be considered part of Trump's campaign team, but he was busted for meeting with Russians... and is Trump's Sec. of Education Betsy Devos' brother.

So Mueller's team could not find enough definitive evidence to prove conspiracy, but also said they could not exonerate Trump's team either.

Too funny....tell me....is it a Prosecutors to "exonerate" ANYONE?

Mueller was doing an investigation, and is a special counsel, not a prosecutor. Any time Mueller felt he had enough to charge someone, he passed it off to someone else. Have you been in a cave the last 2 years?

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

the job of a prosecutor is not to establish innocence, his job is to find out whether a crime was committed, Mueller found no crimes by Trump of anyone involved in his campaign-------after spending 35 million dollars and two years using a team of Trump hating democrats. Barr summarized it accurately and the entire report confirms Barr's summarization.

 

[Redfish]

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion. But to the POINT Mueller SPECIFICALLY SAID NO COLLUSION. God you morons are dumb as rocks. Now be specific and show us where Trump Obstructed Mueller in any way......

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion.

Actually it does if the obstruction was meant to conceal facts concerning collusion.

yes, but Mueller found none of that. If he did indictments would have been issued. but you are correct that its not over, Clinton, Comey, Lynch, McCabe, Strzok, Page, and possibly Barry himself are now the subjects of the investigation that they started.

 

[Pete7469]

Where’s the bullshit dossier come from. That should be a little easier to find out.


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John McLame and the hitlery campaign last I heard. Although the GOP is desperate to cover up the "maverick's" involvement.

Fucking traitor.


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[Ambivalent1]

Too funny....tell me....is it a Prosecutors to "exonerate" ANYONE?

Mueller was doing an investigation, and is a special counsel, not a prosecutor. Any time Mueller felt he had enough to charge someone, he passed it off to someone else. Have you been in a cave the last 2 years?

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

the job of a prosecutor is not to establish innocence, his job is to find out whether a crime was committed, Mueller found no crimes by Trump of anyone involved in his campaign-------after spending 35 million dollars and two years using a team of Trump hating democrats. Barr summarized it accurately and the entire report confirms Barr's summarization.

My point exactly, I do however enjoy taking their twisted logic and using it against them.

 

[OKTexas]

He found NO Obstruction, or perhaps you can explain in detail what EXACTLY Trump did to obstruct Mueller?

Mueller specifically said he could not exonerate Trump of obstruction. How does that translate into “no obstruction”

It wasn't his job to exonerate anyone and having no sealed indictment against Trump the presumption of innocence is assumed. No one is charged by our legal system with proving their innocence.

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Again, Mueller NEVER said no obstruction.

Didn't say there was either.

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Mueller. “...if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment.”

Based on applicable legal standards Barr was able to state there was no obstruction. I find it funny you commies can't say what "actions" Trump took to obstruct the investigation. He had every constitutional right to fire Comey, who was not personally investigating anything.

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[bripat9643]

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion. But to the POINT Mueller SPECIFICALLY SAID NO COLLUSION. God you morons are dumb as rocks. Now be specific and show us where Trump Obstructed Mueller in any way......

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion.

Actually it does if the obstruction was meant to conceal facts concerning collusion.

Do you realize how absolutely dumb that sounded?

 

[bripat9643]

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion. But to the POINT Mueller SPECIFICALLY SAID NO COLLUSION. God you morons are dumb as rocks. Now be specific and show us where Trump Obstructed Mueller in any way......

Actually, that's not what they said.

They said they could not find definitive evidence to prove members of the Trump campaign conspired with the Russian GOVERNMENT. This is on top of the several cases that have been sent on by Mueller's team, but not made public.

They could not find definitive meaning there was not enough or not any evidence at all...

So in the end the Collusion argument is dead and should be dropped but alas the left need it Benghazi...

No, it means what it says, and in order to pursue charges it takes a mountain of evidence, which is hard to find when dealing with governments who can use people that is extremely hard to tie back to them.

For example, Erik Prince may not be considered part of Trump's campaign team, but he was busted for meeting with Russians... and is Trump's Sec. of Education Betsy Devos' brother.

So Mueller's team could not find enough definitive evidence to prove conspiracy, but also said they could not exonerate Trump's team either.

Yeah, and Trump's sister's husband has a 2nd cousin who knew a guy who worked as a janitor in the Kremlin.

You Trump hating turds are so desperate and pathetic it's difficult to comprehend.

You don't even know who Prince is. I guarantee you had to look it up.

It doesn't matter who he is. As you pointed out, he wasn't part of the Trump campaign.

 

[Lewdog]

No, it means what it says, and in order to pursue charges it takes a mountain of evidence, which is hard to find when dealing with governments who can use people that is extremely hard to tie back to them.

For example, Erik Prince may not be considered part of Trump's campaign team, but he was busted for meeting with Russians... and is Trump's Sec. of Education Betsy Devos' brother.

So Mueller's team could not find enough definitive evidence to prove conspiracy, but also said they could not exonerate Trump's team either.

Too funny....tell me....is it a Prosecutors to "exonerate" ANYONE?

Mueller was doing an investigation, and is a special counsel, not a prosecutor. Any time Mueller felt he had enough to charge someone, he passed it off to someone else. Have you been in a cave the last 2 years?

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

No... because

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

I really do think some of you people are mentally retarded.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion. But to the POINT Mueller SPECIFICALLY SAID NO COLLUSION. God you morons are dumb as rocks. Now be specific and show us where Trump Obstructed Mueller in any way......

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion.

Actually it does if the obstruction was meant to conceal facts concerning collusion.

Do you realize how absolutely dumb that sounded?

Sorry, I had my sound off.



Dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion. But to the POINT Mueller SPECIFICALLY SAID NO COLLUSION. God you morons are dumb as rocks. Now be specific and show us where Trump Obstructed Mueller in any way......

Obstruction has nothing to do with collusion.

Actually it does if the obstruction was meant to conceal facts concerning collusion.

yes, but Mueller found none of that. If he did indictments would have been issued. but you are correct that its not over, Clinton, Comey, Lynch, McCabe, Strzok, Page, and possibly Barry himself are now the subjects of the investigation that they started.

yes, but Mueller found none of that. If he did indictments would have been issued.

That's not what Mueller concluded. He concluded , and said so very clearly, that a sitting president cannot be indicted under DOJ rules, dope.

 

[Crixus]

In another thread that was closed, uncertain on why, Nat4900

Posted this:

For the many of us who want justice, accountability and transparency, from what the Mueller team investigated, reported on and concluded, the Mueller testimony is a MUST.

The stakes are high for both sides of the aisle.

But, in my opinion, Mueller is such a "straight shooter" that to presume that he will side with democrats.....even after the Trump WH and the leadership in the DOJ have derided him........may be wrong.

The efficacy of Mueller's testimony will depend on the simple and direct questions posed to him without necessarily asking him to arrive at any new decisions.

Mueller should be asked:

1. Given the findings listed in your report......and placing aside the current DOJ policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted.........would a prosecutor like yourself indict ANYONE based on the reported obstruction findings?

2. Once AG Barr took charge of your investigation, was any pressure made upon your team to wrap up the inquiry? If such pressure was placed on you, is THAT the reason why you did not subpoena Me. Trump to openly testify before a grand jury?

3. Given the number of "I don't recall" responses to your written questions to the WH, why did you not further request follow-up questions?............What stopped you from making such requests?

4. In your through investigation, did you request and were given information from the Deutsche Bank regarding Trump's dealings with that Bank?

5. In your inquiry, did you request and were given copies of Trump's tax returns? If you were given such access, how many years were made available to your team?

6. Mr. Mueller, could you name any and ALL other witnesses who were requested but refused to appear before your team or grand juries?

7. Mr. MUeller, have you had any opposition placed upon your team in sharing your team's findings with other federal prosecutorial districts that are continuing their separate inquiries on topics beyond your scope of work as a special counsel?

With the exception of the first question, the rest should be direct to elicit clear-cut and not opinionated responses.

And I wanted to tell Nat4900 that it would be a great mistake to not cover part one of his investigation and not just part two....

Part two, the obstruction of an Official Investigation, means nothing to anyone that does not know the details of the Investigation that was obstructed!!!

It's important for uninformed people to be informed about the EXTENSIVE Russian Interference in our last election, the means they did it, and the Trump Campaign connection to it....

THIS CAN NOT AND SHOULD NOT be skipped, and if there is not enough time to do both, it is more important to go over Part one vs 2..... honest to goodness it is.....

People need to know what a great job the Mueller team did in tracing down what they could, people need to know the darn facts of the investigation, the obstruction of justice can then follow.... without knowing the facts of what was found in the investigation, how are people going to get upset or understand the urgency of protecting ourselves or even understand it... when the admin, is playing like the whole interference by Russians and his team's readiness to work with them, is some every day thing that anybody would do, or some made up hoax as our dearest president claims.... securing our elections from future attack is the most important thing to do....

Informing people, is arming people...

All those questions you have above, can wait.... people need to be informed, on the Trump side as well....

President Trump obstructing can follow....

Plus, informing people with the actual Mueller FACTS, will help combat all the FAKE stories the Republicans are trying to deflect with...

Can’t remember the thread, but you had one where you defended aspects of the dossier. Do you still have that opinion?

 

[Ambivalent1]

Too funny....tell me....is it a Prosecutors to "exonerate" ANYONE?

Mueller was doing an investigation, and is a special counsel, not a prosecutor. Any time Mueller felt he had enough to charge someone, he passed it off to someone else. Have you been in a cave the last 2 years?

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

No... because

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

I really do think some of you people are mentally retarded.

You people are too stupid to ever recognize when you're being played.

 

[bripat9643]

Too funny....tell me....is it a Prosecutors to "exonerate" ANYONE?

Mueller was doing an investigation, and is a special counsel, not a prosecutor. Any time Mueller felt he had enough to charge someone, he passed it off to someone else. Have you been in a cave the last 2 years?

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

No... because

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

I really do think some of you people are mentally retarded.

<YAWN!>

How does that stop him from saying whether Trump is guilty of obstruction?

 

[Lewdog]

Mueller was doing an investigation, and is a special counsel, not a prosecutor. Any time Mueller felt he had enough to charge someone, he passed it off to someone else. Have you been in a cave the last 2 years?

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

No... because

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

I really do think some of you people are mentally retarded.

<YAWN!>

How does that stop him from saying whether Trump is guilty of obstruction?

Because it isn't his job to do that. Congress is the only people who can do anything about it... basic civics.

 

[bripat9643]

LOL, you run with that kid.

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

No... because

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED

I really do think some of you people are mentally retarded.

<YAWN!>

How does that stop him from saying whether Trump is guilty of obstruction?

Because it isn't his job to do that. Congress is the only people who can do anything about it... basic civics.

It's his job to decide whether there's enough evidence to prosecute. That's what he did.

 

[Coyote]

It is not different at all. No charges. No convictions. You are applying a different standard to her.

No charges because Comey was ordered by Lynch to not charge her.

Like Barr told Mueller he could not indict a sitting president?

Barr had nothing to do with what Mueller recommended. Again in order to obstruct there must be some illegal activity to prevent coming out. There is none. Trump was COMPLETELY in his right Constutionally legally and morally to fire Comey and IN FACT Rosenstien ADVISED HIM TO DO IT.

No. There must be an investigation.

NOT for a President to fire an appointee do you even understand the powers of the President? Comey was not accused of anything, Trump can fire any appointee for ANY reason or no reason at all.

Yes he can. However - that doesn't mean that the action can't also be "obstruction of justice". There is NO requirement for an illegal act for it to be obstruction - an investigation is for the purpose of determining whether or not an illegal act took place. Attempting to obstruct that is obstruction of justice even if you are not subsequently found guilty.

 

[Lewdog]

Oh, no you go ahead and share where Mueller spent a single day in court trying someone. Go ahead. I'm all ears.

You're all something but it isn't brains. The things he passed off were a distraction from his real objective. Using your logic Rump is "exonerated" because Mueller didn't "pass off" anything concerning Rump.

No... because

MUELLER SAID HE WOULD FOLLOW DOJ GUIDELINES THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE INDICTED