Dr Martin Luther King saved this country

[Claudette]

No. He didn't save the country but he made it aware of its shortcomings.

He was a great man. A man who did what he did knowing full well he could be the victim of some racist asshole with a gun.

A great man?? Yes indeed.

 

[rightwinger]

No. He didn't save the country but he made it aware of its shortcomings.

He was a great man. A man who did what he did knowing full well he could be the victim of some racist asshole with a gun.

A great man?? Yes indeed.

We were well aware of our shortcomings but considered them acceptable. Everything worked fine as long as blacks knew their place

MLK made it clear that blacks no longer had to accept that place

 

[Redfish]

Dr King and the civil rights protesters were American patriots

In fact, their grievances against their country were stronger than the grievances of our founding fathers

Civil Rights protesters risked their life for the cause

In the case of Dr King....he gave his life

yes, and which party passed the civil rights act of 1965 in spite of democrat filibusters?

LBJ

LBJ signed it, republicans in congress passed it. democrats in congress tried to block it by filibustering.

No ....history shows that northern Democrats and Republicans passed it.
Southern Republicans opposed civil rights legislation unanimously.

Your attempts to turn a north/south issue into a Democrat/Republican issue is humorous...it shows what a simpleton you are

Do congressmen and senators have an R or a D behind their names? Duh, yes. The the civil rights act vote was a democrat/republican issue, not a north/south issue. Your attempt to turn it around just shows what a liberal asshole you are.

 

[Redfish]

BS. AA was and is reverse discrimination. All discrimination is wrong, no matter who the victim.

AA gave people opportunities they wouldn't have received without it

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

which of the following got where they are due to AA
Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Magic Johnson
Sammy Davis Jr
Obama
Hillary

Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Obama and Hillary all got where they are because of affirmative action. They benefitted from the opportunities of AA and the battles fought by blacks and women before them

bullshit, total bullshit. Cain and Thomas got there by hard work and intelligence, Hillary and obozo got there through corruption and lying. None of them got where they are because of AA.

 

[Redfish]

No. He didn't save the country but he made it aware of its shortcomings.

He was a great man. A man who did what he did knowing full well he could be the victim of some racist asshole with a gun.

A great man?? Yes indeed.

We were well aware of our shortcomings but considered them acceptable. Everything worked fine as long as blacks knew their place

MLK made it clear that blacks no longer had to accept that place

yes, and he did it peacefully. Unlike BLM, OWS, black panthers, Sharpton, Farrakhan, and the other black racists of today.

King's family have disowned the so-called black groups of today.

 

[Redfish]

BS. AA was and is reverse discrimination. All discrimination is wrong, no matter who the victim.

AA gave people opportunities they wouldn't have received without it

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

 

[Conservative65]

AA gave people opportunities they wouldn't have received without it

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Lefties have the attitude that is those benefiting from affirmative action get hired it's because everyone started at the same point.

 

[Conservative65]

AA gave people opportunities they wouldn't have received without it

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

which of the following got where they are due to AA
Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Magic Johnson
Sammy Davis Jr
Obama
Hillary

Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Obama and Hillary all got where they are because of affirmative action. They benefitted from the opportunities of AA and the battles fought by blacks and women before them

bullshit, total bullshit. Cain and Thomas got there by hard work and intelligence, Hillary and obozo got there through corruption and lying. None of them got where they are because of AA.

If Hillary had not been married to Bill, no one would know who she was. For some reason people think holding a title because you happen to be married to the President qualifies you for something higher. I wonder how many of them would allow a surgeon's spouse to operate on them or a lawyer's spouse to defend them in court instead of the surgeon or lawyer.

 

[Redfish]

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Lefties have the attitude that is those benefiting from affirmative action get hired it's because everyone started at the same point.

Right, I demand affirmative action in the NBA and NFL. Those leagues discriminate against whites and Asians. Basketball and football teams must match the racial mix of their fans. Damn it !

 

[Conservative65]

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Lefties have the attitude that is those benefiting from affirmative action get hired it's because everyone started at the same point.

Right, I demand affirmative action in the NBA and NFL. Those leagues discriminate against whites and Asians. Basketball and football teams must match the racial mix of their fans. Damn it !

I had a very similar discussion with a co-worker several years ago when the Rooney Rule went into effect for the NFL. It stated that whenever a head coaching or senior football operations positions came up with any team, they were REQUIRED to interview minority candidates although no quotas were set. The co-worker said there should be more minorities in head coaching positions. What he really meant was more black coaches. I responded by saying that perhaps NFL head coaches should be divided based on how each race/ethnicity was in society. 70% of them would be white, 14% would be hispanic, 12% would be black and so on. As a compromise, the makeup of all team members should be the same. His response was that the teams should have who the coaches wanted and the best players. When I asked him what the difference was when it came to the owner that was doing the paying being able to pick who he thought was the best coach, the response was "that's different" yet no explanation of why was given. Seems he had no problem with an overabundance of players being black just with coaches.

 

[Redfish]

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Lefties have the attitude that is those benefiting from affirmative action get hired it's because everyone started at the same point.

Right, I demand affirmative action in the NBA and NFL. Those leagues discriminate against whites and Asians. Basketball and football teams must match the racial mix of their fans. Damn it !

I had a very similar discussion with a co-worker several years ago when the Rooney Rule went into effect for the NFL. It stated that whenever a head coaching or senior football operations positions came up with any team, they were REQUIRED to interview minority candidates although no quotas were set. The co-worker said there should be more minorities in head coaching positions. What he really meant was more black coaches. I responded by saying that perhaps NFL head coaches should be divided based on how each race/ethnicity was in society. 70% of them would be white, 14% would be hispanic, 12% would be black and so on. As a compromise, the makeup of all team members should be the same. His response was that the teams should have who the coaches wanted and the best players. When I asked him what the difference was when it came to the owner that was doing the paying being able to pick who he thought was the best coach, the response was "that's different" yet no explanation of why was given. Seems he had no problem with an overabundance of players being black just with coaches.

the hypocrisy of the left shows up in all venues.

 

[rightwinger]

Civil Rights protesters risked their life for the cause

In the case of Dr King....he gave his life

yes, and which party passed the civil rights act of 1965 in spite of democrat filibusters?

LBJ

LBJ signed it, republicans in congress passed it. democrats in congress tried to block it by filibustering.

No ....history shows that northern Democrats and Republicans passed it.
Southern Republicans opposed civil rights legislation unanimously.

Your attempts to turn a north/south issue into a Democrat/Republican issue is humorous...it shows what a simpleton you are

Do congressmen and senators have an R or a D behind their names? Duh, yes. The the civil rights act vote was a democrat/republican issue, not a north/south issue. Your attempt to turn it around just shows what a liberal asshole you are.

And both southern congressmen with an R by their name and a D by their name opposed civil rights

How do you explain northern democrats who led the fight for civil rights?

 

[rightwinger]

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

which of the following got where they are due to AA
Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Magic Johnson
Sammy Davis Jr
Obama
Hillary

Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Obama and Hillary all got where they are because of affirmative action. They benefitted from the opportunities of AA and the battles fought by blacks and women before them

bullshit, total bullshit. Cain and Thomas got there by hard work and intelligence, Hillary and obozo got there through corruption and lying. None of them got where they are because of AA.

If Hillary had not been married to Bill, no one would know who she was. For some reason people think holding a title because you happen to be married to the President qualifies you for something higher. I wonder how many of them would allow a surgeon's spouse to operate on them or a lawyer's spouse to defend them in court instead of the surgeon or lawyer.

Why did people vote for Mitt Romney or George W Bush?

 

[rightwinger]

AA gave people opportunities they wouldn't have received without it

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Very true

Doesn't mean you get to keep them from entering the race

That is why we needed affirmative action

 

[Conservative65]

It GAVE people things they wouldn't have received had it not been for skin color. When you hire someone over a more qualified person because they're black, that's not an opportunity. That's a gift.

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Very true

Doesn't mean you get to keep them from entering the race

That is why we needed affirmative action

You don't want entering, you want them put ahead using a characteristic others don't have the ability to use.

If someone needs it, tells me they aren't capable of doing it on their own. So much for equal opportunity. You want unequal results if you support using certain skin colors through an OFFICIAL policy.

 

[Conservative65]

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

which of the following got where they are due to AA
Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Magic Johnson
Sammy Davis Jr
Obama
Hillary

Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Obama and Hillary all got where they are because of affirmative action. They benefitted from the opportunities of AA and the battles fought by blacks and women before them

bullshit, total bullshit. Cain and Thomas got there by hard work and intelligence, Hillary and obozo got there through corruption and lying. None of them got where they are because of AA.

If Hillary had not been married to Bill, no one would know who she was. For some reason people think holding a title because you happen to be married to the President qualifies you for something higher. I wonder how many of them would allow a surgeon's spouse to operate on them or a lawyer's spouse to defend them in court instead of the surgeon or lawyer.

Why did people vote for Mitt Romney or George W Bush?

You'll have to ask them.

Are you going to claim that Hillary's time as 1st lady qualified her to be a Senator? Retard.

 

[Conservative65]

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Lefties have the attitude that is those benefiting from affirmative action get hired it's because everyone started at the same point.

Right, I demand affirmative action in the NBA and NFL. Those leagues discriminate against whites and Asians. Basketball and football teams must match the racial mix of their fans. Damn it !

I had a very similar discussion with a co-worker several years ago when the Rooney Rule went into effect for the NFL. It stated that whenever a head coaching or senior football operations positions came up with any team, they were REQUIRED to interview minority candidates although no quotas were set. The co-worker said there should be more minorities in head coaching positions. What he really meant was more black coaches. I responded by saying that perhaps NFL head coaches should be divided based on how each race/ethnicity was in society. 70% of them would be white, 14% would be hispanic, 12% would be black and so on. As a compromise, the makeup of all team members should be the same. His response was that the teams should have who the coaches wanted and the best players. When I asked him what the difference was when it came to the owner that was doing the paying being able to pick who he thought was the best coach, the response was "that's different" yet no explanation of why was given. Seems he had no problem with an overabundance of players being black just with coaches.

the hypocrisy of the left shows up in all venues.

It's much the same on all sorts of issues. For those who support affirmative action, what they're saying is the same characteristic that shouldn't be used to deny is OK to use if it benefits. Tells me they don't want equal opportunity but unequal results based on that characteristic. Funny how being unequal is OK when it works in their favor.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes it did.
It gave women and minorities opportunities they never would have gotten otherwise
Who would have thought women and negroes would actually make good executives?

Equal treatment and special treatment are two vastly different things. AA gave some people special treatment. It was discrimination.

Declaring ...you are equal and actually being equal are two different things

Like running a race where you are given a big head start and then declaring everyone in the race is now equal

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results, everyone cannot win the race, some will lose.

Very true

Doesn't mean you get to keep them from entering the race

That is why we needed affirmative action

You don't want entering, you want them put ahead using a characteristic others don't have the ability to use.

If someone needs it, tells me they aren't capable of doing it on their own. So much for equal opportunity. You want unequal results if you support using certain skin colors through an OFFICIAL policy.

You allow them to enter a race they were previously blocked from even trying

Whether they finish the race is up to them

 

[rightwinger]

which of the following got where they are due to AA
Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Magic Johnson
Sammy Davis Jr
Obama
Hillary

Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Obama and Hillary all got where they are because of affirmative action. They benefitted from the opportunities of AA and the battles fought by blacks and women before them

bullshit, total bullshit. Cain and Thomas got there by hard work and intelligence, Hillary and obozo got there through corruption and lying. None of them got where they are because of AA.

If Hillary had not been married to Bill, no one would know who she was. For some reason people think holding a title because you happen to be married to the President qualifies you for something higher. I wonder how many of them would allow a surgeon's spouse to operate on them or a lawyer's spouse to defend them in court instead of the surgeon or lawyer.

Why did people vote for Mitt Romney or George W Bush?

You'll have to ask them.

Are you going to claim that Hillary's time as 1st lady qualified her to be a Senator? Retard.

Hilary's time as First Lady made her more qualified to be President than any of the current republicans

What qualifications does a famous father provide Bush or Romney

 

[thanatos144]

yes, and which party passed the civil rights act of 1965 in spite of democrat filibusters?

LBJ

LBJ signed it, republicans in congress passed it. democrats in congress tried to block it by filibustering.

No ....history shows that northern Democrats and Republicans passed it.
Southern Republicans opposed civil rights legislation unanimously.

Your attempts to turn a north/south issue into a Democrat/Republican issue is humorous...it shows what a simpleton you are

Do congressmen and senators have an R or a D behind their names? Duh, yes. The the civil rights act vote was a democrat/republican issue, not a north/south issue. Your attempt to turn it around just shows what a liberal asshole you are.

And both southern congressmen with an R by their name and a D by their name opposed civil rights

How do you explain northern democrats who led the fight for civil rights?

Name those democrats.

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