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Absolutely true. And because deaths are so high those cases are just a rounding error. But in the beginning when the caseload wasn't so big, and the death toll so huge, those small number of lives saved by earlier or more cautious intervention did make a difference.People are not being hospitalized willy nilly like the elitists such as Trump and Giuliani. Although those cases do happen, it's certainly no more than a rounding error on the national data.
The criteria for hospitalizations has not really changed.
So 2,403,372 more tests per day wouldn't identify people with COVID? So what's the value of testing? You make NO sense!
Please explain this following chart, i.e. what age group is more likely to die from COVID?
Then explain how come the death rate has continually gone down? A month ago Death rate for USA was 2.10%--- today 12/22/20 1.77% a 33% decrease! Where's the spike in Deaths? Again... why doesn't the MSM tell people this good news. That more testing creates more knowledge (science!!!) and fewer deaths. But people like you want to believe anything that puts Trump and 75 million of us in a bad light...courtesy of the MSM!
Well, it would take some time to explain and I'm a bit rushed today, so I'll try to be as brief as possible.
The idea that more testing results in more cases being discovered relies on the idea that the increased testing is picking up cases that would not otherwise be identified. That's a rational assumption but it's not necessarily guaranteed to be correct, and it's definitely not guaranteed to be the sole explanation. We have to dig deeper.
One of the ways we dig deeper is by examining hospitalizations. The number of people who are hospitalized with COVID is not going to be affected by increases in testing. The problem of undiagnosed people in the community does not really exist with hospitalized patients. We have been identifying all patients infected with COVID for a really long time now, basically since the testing issues got ironed out in the first month or so. So when hospitalized patients increase, it's a true increase. If we consider that a similar proportion of people who are infected develop symptoms severe enough to be hospitalized, the the increase in hospitalizations is reflective of an underlying increase in the true number of cases in the community.
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Talking about comorbid conditions isn't really relevant to this discussion.So 2,403,372 more tests per day wouldn't identify people with COVID? So what's the value of testing? You make NO sense!
Please explain this following chart, i.e. what age group is more likely to die from COVID?
Then explain how come the death rate has continually gone down? A month ago Death rate for USA was 2.10%--- today 12/22/20 1.77% a 33% decrease! Where's the spike in Deaths? Again... why doesn't the MSM tell people this good news. That more testing creates more knowledge (science!!!) and fewer deaths. But people like you want to believe anything that puts Trump and 75 million of us in a bad light...courtesy of the MSM!
Well, it would take some time to explain and I'm a bit rushed today, so I'll try to be as brief as possible.
The idea that more testing results in more cases being discovered relies on the idea that the increased testing is picking up cases that would not otherwise be identified. That's a rational assumption but it's not necessarily guaranteed to be correct, and it's definitely not guaranteed to be the sole explanation. We have to dig deeper.
One of the ways we dig deeper is by examining hospitalizations. The number of people who are hospitalized with COVID is not going to be affected by increases in testing. The problem of undiagnosed people in the community does not really exist with hospitalized patients. We have been identifying all patients infected with COVID for a really long time now, basically since the testing issues got ironed out in the first month or so. So when hospitalized patients increase, it's a true increase. If we consider that a similar proportion of people who are infected develop symptoms severe enough to be hospitalized, the the increase in hospitalizations is reflective of an underlying increase in the true number of cases in the community.
The AGE of the infected is a very, very major factor in the DEATHS of the infected.
COVID-19 Deaths by Age
According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID-19 is deadliest among older populations. CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19.
As the below chart shows less than 8% of all deaths were ages less than 54. But after 55 and above 92%.
NOW why do you suppose??? For you laypersons... it is called "comorbidity"...
and since more people will have the below problems after age 55... hence the deaths are more!
But again.. the MSM doesn't tell you that when the "SPIKE" the Covid ball!
That's why people like me are providing alternative information that by the way is readily available on the INTERNET!!!
SO AGAIN..you people that believe the biased MSM... watch how quickly this issue subsides IF Biden actually takes office!
You will hear the below information. Bragging how the Biden administration has lowered the deaths!!!
All because of Biden's "Operation Warp Speed"!
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Is it possible to know the the population of the age group?I'm a person that has done MORE than you evidently in tracking COVID! Where are your "statistics"? Remember these numbers come from this source: Coronavirus Update (Live): 77,404,395 Cases and 1,703,478 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - WorldometerIs this what your handlers are telling you to say? Cause you sure as hell aren’t a statistician and sure don’t know anything no about the transmission of virusEvery day I go to this web site:Coronavirus Update (Live): 77,404,342 Cases and 1,703,478 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
Download the statistics regarding COVID.
Here is an abbreviated (so as not to confuse less cognizant readers!!!) spreadsheet.
Explanations for some non-literate including the MSM that continues to the term "SPIKE" as the below screenshot shows!
1) DUH... 234,217,195 TESTED in USA... Duh... you don't especially dumb ass MSM comprehend the more tests...DUH the more cases found!!!
2) SPIKE?? 98.22% of the 18,267,579 cases SURVIVE!!!! I know the additional "!!" not necessary but I can excuse the majority of Americans for
not knowing this BUT THE MSM??? Again folks all done to criticize Trump. Plain and simple!
You people don't believe the below but I've been tracking this since 2/7/20 and the MSM has completely fooled all of YOU that believe the problems!
During the same time that 324,869 Americans died from COVID... are you people aware that
Here’s how the media is misreporting COVID-19’s death toll in America
The CDC itself caused a stir at the end of August by estimating that the virus directly caused only 6 percent, or now just over 11,000 of the 187,000 attributed deaths. Most of these deaths were in the elderly.
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Here’s how the media is misreporting COVID-19’s death toll in America
On Sept. 22, CNN triumphantly announced that 200,000 people had died from COVID-19 in the United States. CNN tried various ways of rubbing in the 200,000 figure. Their best effort was an infographi…nypost.com
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Come back with contradicting data (when you are capable of doing searches!!) and tell me that the CDC was wrong about
their facts. Tell me that this table is wrong!
And you and your ignorant MSM still claim schools should be shut down with less than 250 deaths of all the 99 million school age people!
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Your key phrase " When your absentee ballot arrives"There is "fraud" in the elections! Geez tell me you haven't seen this table! Explain how Georgia had 6.42% rejected mail in ballots in 2016 BUT
in 2020 0.60%!!!Easy, two words Stacy Abrams.
She spent the last year teaching Georgia voters how to properly fill out absentee ballots.Right thanks to the following FACTS!!!
Separately, Abrams said that billionaire liberal financier George Soros and his son Alexander gave a total of $1.25 million to her PAC, GeorgiaNEXT, from 2014 through 2018, but Abrams would not say how much either gave to her non-profits.
They made it a point to teach people to fill out ballots properly.
How To Request And Cast Your Absentee Ballot In Georgia ...
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Sep 23, 2020 — When your absentee ballot arrives, make sure you read the instructions carefully and mark every required field. Review the signature on your ...
When you educate the people, they do it right.
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www.thegatewaypundit.com
Where are hospitalizations up? EVERY single one of the 6,000+ hospitals with over 900,000 beds are overwhelmed? ALL of them?? All of them spiking!!!Talking about comorbid conditions isn't really relevant to this discussion.So 2,403,372 more tests per day wouldn't identify people with COVID? So what's the value of testing? You make NO sense!
Please explain this following chart, i.e. what age group is more likely to die from COVID?
Then explain how come the death rate has continually gone down? A month ago Death rate for USA was 2.10%--- today 12/22/20 1.77% a 33% decrease! Where's the spike in Deaths? Again... why doesn't the MSM tell people this good news. That more testing creates more knowledge (science!!!) and fewer deaths. But people like you want to believe anything that puts Trump and 75 million of us in a bad light...courtesy of the MSM!
Well, it would take some time to explain and I'm a bit rushed today, so I'll try to be as brief as possible.
The idea that more testing results in more cases being discovered relies on the idea that the increased testing is picking up cases that would not otherwise be identified. That's a rational assumption but it's not necessarily guaranteed to be correct, and it's definitely not guaranteed to be the sole explanation. We have to dig deeper.
One of the ways we dig deeper is by examining hospitalizations. The number of people who are hospitalized with COVID is not going to be affected by increases in testing. The problem of undiagnosed people in the community does not really exist with hospitalized patients. We have been identifying all patients infected with COVID for a really long time now, basically since the testing issues got ironed out in the first month or so. So when hospitalized patients increase, it's a true increase. If we consider that a similar proportion of people who are infected develop symptoms severe enough to be hospitalized, the the increase in hospitalizations is reflective of an underlying increase in the true number of cases in the community.
The AGE of the infected is a very, very major factor in the DEATHS of the infected.
COVID-19 Deaths by Age
According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID-19 is deadliest among older populations. CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19.
As the below chart shows less than 8% of all deaths were ages less than 54. But after 55 and above 92%.
NOW why do you suppose??? For you laypersons... it is called "comorbidity"...
and since more people will have the below problems after age 55... hence the deaths are more!
But again.. the MSM doesn't tell you that when the "SPIKE" the Covid ball!
That's why people like me are providing alternative information that by the way is readily available on the INTERNET!!!
SO AGAIN..you people that believe the biased MSM... watch how quickly this issue subsides IF Biden actually takes office!
You will hear the below information. Bragging how the Biden administration has lowered the deaths!!!
All because of Biden's "Operation Warp Speed"!
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The point is that hospitalizations are way up because infection rates are up. There's nothing you've said that really changes this correlation.
Your key phrase " When your absentee ballot arrives"
Georgia election officials will mail a form that can be used to request an absentee ballot to all 6.9 million registered voters in the state, after opting to postpone the state’s March 24 presidential primaries to May because of the new coronavirus.
I already showed you the national data (actually it was provided by another poster you ignored). I did not say that it's spiking everywhere, but taken as a whole, the number of hospitalizations is considerably up.Where are hospitalizations up? EVERY single one of the 6,000+ hospitals with over 900,000 beds are overwhelmed? ALL of them?? All of them spiking!!!
Health myths threads are all the same. He makes a math error in 85% of his threads, something stupid like missing a decimal or misreading a chart, and not only is he a complete buffoon but he does so arrogantly, with plenty of caps-lock, exclamation points and calling others stupid in the face of his OWN mal-understanding. It's pathetic. He needs a life, and some math fundamentals classes.Additional testing would not have any effect on the number of people hospitalized with COVID, nor would it have any effect on the number of people dying from COVID, both of which have increased dramatically in the last month.You breezed right by post #3, which demonstrates why it's called a spike. Because it is a spike.Fact Driven. The MSM motivation should be presenting the simple facts, not adding adjectives like "spike" that agitate the readers erroneously.
And you and others breeze right past this factor!
2,403,372 tested in ONE day... 236,620,567 overall.. and you don't think THAT has an affect? Where is the MSM telling you that?
Because that is GOOD news and they deal ONLY in dramatic bad news that hurts Trump and us 74 million supporters! How smart is that?
How honest is that! And considering that probably for every 1 confirmed case there are 4 to 5 other un confirmed cases .
FACTS buddy!
CDC Antibody Studies Confirm Huge Gap Between COVID-19 Infections and Known Cases
The difference implies that the virus is much less deadly than it looks, but it also makes contact tracing a daunting challenge.reason.com
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You cannot explain this increase by pointing at increased testing.
Why Did Six Battleground States with Democrat Governors (Except One) ALL Pause Counting on Election Night? And How Was This Coordinated?
NewsMax pointed out the coincidence of it happening in those five states with Democratic governors (except for Georgia) with Trump ahead before the “pauses.” Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia and Nevada mysteriously quit counting after midnight.
So 2,403,372 more tests per day wouldn't identify people with COVID? So what's the value of testing? You make NO sense!
Please explain this following chart, i.e. what age group is more likely to die from COVID?
Then explain how come the death rate has continually gone down? A month ago Death rate for USA was 2.10%--- today 12/22/20 1.77% a 33% decrease! Where's the spike in Deaths? Again... why doesn't the MSM tell people this good news. That more testing creates more knowledge (science!!!) and fewer deaths. But people like you want to believe anything that puts Trump and 75 million of us in a bad light...courtesy of the MSM!
Well, it would take some time to explain and I'm a bit rushed today, so I'll try to be as brief as possible.
The idea that more testing results in more cases being discovered relies on the idea that the increased testing is picking up cases that would not otherwise be identified. That's a rational assumption but it's not necessarily guaranteed to be correct, and it's definitely not guaranteed to be the sole explanation. We have to dig deeper.
One of the ways we dig deeper is by examining hospitalizations. The number of people who are hospitalized with COVID is not going to be affected by increases in testing. The problem of undiagnosed people in the community does not really exist with hospitalized patients. We have been identifying all patients infected with COVID for a really long time now, basically since the testing issues got ironed out in the first month or so. So when hospitalized patients increase, it's a true increase. If we consider that a similar proportion of people who are infected develop symptoms severe enough to be hospitalized, the the increase in hospitalizations is reflective of an underlying increase in the true number of cases in the community.
The AGE of the infected is a very, very major factor in the DEATHS of the infected.
COVID-19 Deaths by Age
According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID-19 is deadliest among older populations. CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19.
As the below chart shows less than 8% of all deaths were ages less than 54. But after 55 and above 92%.
NOW why do you suppose??? For you laypersons... it is called "comorbidity"...
and since more people will have the below problems after age 55... hence the deaths are more!
But again.. the MSM doesn't tell you that when the "SPIKE" the Covid ball!
That's why people like me are providing alternative information that by the way is readily available on the INTERNET!!!
SO AGAIN..you people that believe the biased MSM... watch how quickly this issue subsides IF Biden actually takes office!
You will hear the below information. Bragging how the Biden administration has lowered the deaths!!!
All because of Biden's "Operation Warp Speed"!
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"Strawman"???? Do you know what that term really means? As usual people that are uninformed like you use wrong terms and at the wrong time.I already showed you the national data (actually it was provided by another poster you ignored). I did not say that it's spiking everywhere, but taken as a whole, the number of hospitalizations is considerably up.Where are hospitalizations up? EVERY single one of the 6,000+ hospitals with over 900,000 beds are overwhelmed? ALL of them?? All of them spiking!!!
You're arguing against a strawman.
Is this what your handlers are telling you to say? Cause you sure as hell aren’t a statistician and sure don’t know anything no about the transmission of virus
Spike is a vaguely defined but scary sounding word so it works on the emotetards
Having failed in the masks and lockdowns, insane control freaks naturally double down
Just like AGW, we humans are trying to control the Air, the essence of the planet, and of course we can’t do that so we Punish everyday working freedom seeking people because we can’t control what is uncontrollable
Oh yes... Getting so passionate and excited about 315,000 Americans DYING! Very pious of you. Very noble of you.So 2,403,372 more tests per day wouldn't identify people with COVID? So what's the value of testing? You make NO sense!
Please explain this following chart, i.e. what age group is more likely to die from COVID?
Then explain how come the death rate has continually gone down? A month ago Death rate for USA was 2.10%--- today 12/22/20 1.77% a 33% decrease! Where's the spike in Deaths? Again... why doesn't the MSM tell people this good news. That more testing creates more knowledge (science!!!) and fewer deaths. But people like you want to believe anything that puts Trump and 75 million of us in a bad light...courtesy of the MSM!
Well, it would take some time to explain and I'm a bit rushed today, so I'll try to be as brief as possible.
The idea that more testing results in more cases being discovered relies on the idea that the increased testing is picking up cases that would not otherwise be identified. That's a rational assumption but it's not necessarily guaranteed to be correct, and it's definitely not guaranteed to be the sole explanation. We have to dig deeper.
One of the ways we dig deeper is by examining hospitalizations. The number of people who are hospitalized with COVID is not going to be affected by increases in testing. The problem of undiagnosed people in the community does not really exist with hospitalized patients. We have been identifying all patients infected with COVID for a really long time now, basically since the testing issues got ironed out in the first month or so. So when hospitalized patients increase, it's a true increase. If we consider that a similar proportion of people who are infected develop symptoms severe enough to be hospitalized, the the increase in hospitalizations is reflective of an underlying increase in the true number of cases in the community.
The AGE of the infected is a very, very major factor in the DEATHS of the infected.
COVID-19 Deaths by Age
According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID-19 is deadliest among older populations. CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19.
As the below chart shows less than 8% of all deaths were ages less than 54. But after 55 and above 92%.
NOW why do you suppose??? For you laypersons... it is called "comorbidity"...
and since more people will have the below problems after age 55... hence the deaths are more!
But again.. the MSM doesn't tell you that when the "SPIKE" the Covid ball!
That's why people like me are providing alternative information that by the way is readily available on the INTERNET!!!
SO AGAIN..you people that believe the biased MSM... watch how quickly this issue subsides IF Biden actually takes office!
You will hear the below information. Bragging how the Biden administration has lowered the deaths!!!
All because of Biden's "Operation Warp Speed"!
View attachment 432217
View attachment 432216
You're still downplaying the deaths of 315,000 Americans. Pretending their lives didn't matter, and it's of no consequence that they are dying, and using a false death rate based on John Hopkins' use of positive cases, instead of the resolved case rate, in an attempt to placate Trump with the lowest possible number.
I notice you consistently fail to mention the deaths or the impact on these people's families, workplaces and communities. You also ignore the 20% of cases which aren't "minor" or "asymptomatic" and results in weeks of hospitalization and months at home recovering, or the people who are left with "pre-existing conditions".
You also haven't mentioned the costs to your healthcare system and insurance industry to have your hospitals filled to capacity with ICU patients needing extreme respiratory care. Who exactly is paying for all of these tests, hospitalizations and treatments? Will insurance companies be forced into bankruptcy as a result? Will hospitals?
The ONLY statistic you seem to care about is that 97% of the people don't die. I realize that it's difficult for someone of your limited abilities to think about the big picture, but the survival rate isn't the only aspect of this pandemic that's doing the damage.
Healthmyths is a good name for someone as stupid as you are.
Prove you statement with links PLEASE. Is that so hard to do? FACTS not guesses or maybes! FACTS.Spike is a vaguely defined but scary sounding word so it works on the emotetards
Having failed in the masks and lockdowns, insane control freaks naturally double down
Just like AGW, we humans are trying to control the Air, the essence of the planet, and of course we can’t do that so we Punish everyday working freedom seeking people because we can’t control what is uncontrollable
A "spike" is a clearly defined as a large and rapid increases in cases. It is a visual image on a graph which can be clearly seen in the graphs which accompany the reports of "spikes".
Countries with mask mandates and lockdowns have managed to keep both their case numbers and their deaths down. Countries that did neither, like Sweden, have the highest rates of disease and death, in the world, including the USA.
In Kansas, 1/2 the counties went with mask mandates, and half went without. The counties without the mask mandates had double the number of cases and deaths, over the counties that passed masked mandates.
The rest of your post, positing that public health measures that have worked in first world countries on every continent, are some sort of infringement on your liberty, well, if you get sick and have ongoing lung or vascular problems for the rest of you life from this thing, not to mention much higher insurance rates, you're going to find some HUGE fucking infringments on your liberty forever.
Your assessment is actually correct. Freedom and liberty do take precedent over non controllable health issues. .Spike is a vaguely defined but scary sounding word so it works on the emotetards
Having failed in the masks and lockdowns, insane control freaks naturally double down
Just like AGW, we humans are trying to control the Air, the essence of the planet, and of course we can’t do that so we Punish everyday working freedom seeking people because we can’t control what is uncontrollable
A "spike" is a clearly defined as a large and rapid increases in cases. It is a visual image on a graph which can be clearly seen in the graphs which accompany the reports of "spikes".
Countries with mask mandates and lockdowns have managed to keep both their case numbers and their deaths down. Countries that did neither, like Sweden, have the highest rates of disease and death, in the world, including the USA.
In Kansas, 1/2 the counties went with mask mandates, and half went without. The counties without the mask mandates had double the number of cases and deaths, over the counties that passed masked mandates.
The rest of your post, positing that public health measures that have worked in first world countries on every continent, are some sort of infringement on your liberty, well, if you get sick and have ongoing lung or vascular problems for the rest of you life from this thing, not to mention much higher insurance rates, you're going to find some HUGE fucking infringments on your liberty forever.
"Strawman"???? Do you know what that term really means? As usual people that are uninformed like you use wrong terms and at the wrong time.I already showed you the national data (actually it was provided by another poster you ignored). I did not say that it's spiking everywhere, but taken as a whole, the number of hospitalizations is considerably up.Where are hospitalizations up? EVERY single one of the 6,000+ hospitals with over 900,000 beds are overwhelmed? ALL of them?? All of them spiking!!!
You're arguing against a strawman.
A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the proper idea of argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted.
And I didn't SAY you were using the term "spiking".Straw man - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I said the MSM uses that term to agitate their readers/listeners.
I was pointing out the FALLACY of their statement "spiking" when the more logical and rational newscast provides a rationale for a "spike", i.e.
there are more tests done then there were.
Prove you statement with links PLEASE. Is that so hard to do? FACTS not guesses or maybes! FACTS.Spike is a vaguely defined but scary sounding word so it works on the emotetards
Having failed in the masks and lockdowns, insane control freaks naturally double down
Just like AGW, we humans are trying to control the Air, the essence of the planet, and of course we can’t do that so we Punish everyday working freedom seeking people because we can’t control what is uncontrollable
A "spike" is a clearly defined as a large and rapid increases in cases. It is a visual image on a graph which can be clearly seen in the graphs which accompany the reports of "spikes".
Countries with mask mandates and lockdowns have managed to keep both their case numbers and their deaths down. Countries that did neither, like Sweden, have the highest rates of disease and death, in the world, including the USA.
In Kansas, 1/2 the counties went with mask mandates, and half went without. The counties without the mask mandates had double the number of cases and deaths, over the counties that passed masked mandates.
The rest of your post, positing that public health measures that have worked in first world countries on every continent, are some sort of infringement on your liberty, well, if you get sick and have ongoing lung or vascular problems for the rest of you life from this thing, not to mention much higher insurance rates, you're going to find some HUGE fucking infringments on your liberty forever.
