Electric Car Sales Double

[Old Rocks]

Murdoch rightwing blah blah. What the hell are you treehugger Leftytoons smoking? No one is against electric cars.

See above,razz:

 

[westwall]

Electricity isn't an "alternative energy", nincompoop.

If you want to play semantic games about how electricity is produced, go play with yourself.

Really don't know what problem you think you are solving here.. Other than throwing your political jihad mottos all over the place...

If we all got into our coal-fired battery wagons and drove at 60mph, we'd all be drawing the equiv. electricity that an average house uses every hour ---- each 2.6 minutes that we drive. THAT NUMBER -- aint gonna change with battery capacity or even much with battery efficiency..

Should we all be sucking up a house hour's worth of electricity every 2.6 minutes Star?

I think EVs are nifty.. But the future of EVs is in fuel cells and hydrogen --- NOT plug-in batterywagons..

Oddball already told ya that this is NOT about alternative energy.. The picture book of energy sources that you gave us is chock full of patently BAD IDEAS for alternative energy.

You like geothermal --- but probably don't like fracking right? Geothermal is where we LEARNED to frack.. And it's enviro impact is several times GREATER than an oil pump.. Not even RENEWABLE by rigorous definition.. The wells cool out and need to be redrilled.

Biomass? Seriously? Burning garbage? How do you burn garbage cleanly if you don't believe that coal can burned cleanly??

Tidal ?? You for real?? Ever see the plans for sectioning off multiple square miles of tidal basins like huge back-filled dams and the impact on shorelife? Pretty much creating a dead zone.. That is not environmentalism unless you're a complete hypocrit..

Roughly -- you're not solving anything with 1/2 of that list.. Or with just multiplying EVs by government subsidy and/or edict..

Tell us PLEASE --- what problem do you THINK you're solving?

Have you figured in the timescale and costs of EXPANDING the grid distribution and generation to every nooky cranny of the nation?

No, he and they haven't.

 

[westwall]

Murdoch rightwing blah blah. What the hell are you treehugger Leftytoons smoking? No one is against electric cars.

See above,razz:

Wrong again. I would LOVE to see a viable EV. I also want the thing to WORK and not be MORE environmentally damaging that that which it is supposed to replace. So far they FAIL on all counts.

 

[Old Rocks]

According to you. Not to the majority of people that are buying them.

 

[westwall]

Electricity isn't an "alternative energy", nincompoop.

If you want to play semantic games about how electricity is produced, go play with yourself.

Really don't know what problem you think you are solving here.. Other than throwing your political jihad mottos all over the place...

If we all got into our coal-fired battery wagons and drove at 60mph, we'd all be drawing the equiv. electricity that an average house uses every hour ---- each 2.6 minutes that we drive. THAT NUMBER -- aint gonna change with battery capacity or even much with battery efficiency..

Should we all be sucking up a house hour's worth of electricity every 2.6 minutes Star?

I think EVs are nifty.. But the future of EVs is in fuel cells and hydrogen --- NOT plug-in batterywagons..

Oddball already told ya that this is NOT about alternative energy.. The picture book of energy sources that you gave us is chock full of patently BAD IDEAS for alternative energy.

You like geothermal --- but probably don't like fracking right? Geothermal is where we LEARNED to frack.. And it's enviro impact is several times GREATER than an oil pump.. Not even RENEWABLE by rigorous definition.. The wells cool out and need to be redrilled.

Biomass? Seriously? Burning garbage? How do you burn garbage cleanly if you don't believe that coal can burned cleanly??

Tidal ?? You for real?? Ever see the plans for sectioning off multiple square miles of tidal basins like huge back-filled dams and the impact on shorelife? Pretty much creating a dead zone.. That is not environmentalism unless you're a complete hypocrit..

Roughly -- you're not solving anything with 1/2 of that list.. Or with just multiplying EVs by government subsidy and/or edict..

Tell us PLEASE --- what problem do you THINK you're solving?

Have you figured in the timescale and costs of EXPANDING the grid distribution and generation to every nooky cranny of the nation?

Absolutely correct. What would be awesome is if they could figure out Tesla's system to electrify the Earths magnetic field then all you would need is an antenna to power your car.
Can you imagine how cool that would be? No need for all these damned power lines and expensive grid network. THAT would revolutionize the energy systems of this planet.

 

[westwall]

According to you. Not to the majority of people that are buying them.

Not according to me, according to simple fact.

 

[flacaltenn]

Murdoch rightwing blah blah. What the hell are you treehugger Leftytoons smoking? No one is against electric cars.

See above,razz:

Did ya miss this statement up there? ^^^^^^

quote flacaltenn:

I think EVs are nifty

.... but

 

[flacaltenn]

If you want to play semantic games about how electricity is produced, go play with yourself.

Really don't know what problem you think you are solving here.. Other than throwing your political jihad mottos all over the place...

If we all got into our coal-fired battery wagons and drove at 60mph, we'd all be drawing the equiv. electricity that an average house uses every hour ---- each 2.6 minutes that we drive. THAT NUMBER -- aint gonna change with battery capacity or even much with battery efficiency..

Should we all be sucking up a house hour's worth of electricity every 2.6 minutes Star?

I think EVs are nifty.. But the future of EVs is in fuel cells and hydrogen --- NOT plug-in batterywagons..

Oddball already told ya that this is NOT about alternative energy.. The picture book of energy sources that you gave us is chock full of patently BAD IDEAS for alternative energy.

You like geothermal --- but probably don't like fracking right? Geothermal is where we LEARNED to frack.. And it's enviro impact is several times GREATER than an oil pump.. Not even RENEWABLE by rigorous definition.. The wells cool out and need to be redrilled.

Biomass? Seriously? Burning garbage? How do you burn garbage cleanly if you don't believe that coal can burned cleanly??

Tidal ?? You for real?? Ever see the plans for sectioning off multiple square miles of tidal basins like huge back-filled dams and the impact on shorelife? Pretty much creating a dead zone.. That is not environmentalism unless you're a complete hypocrit..

Roughly -- you're not solving anything with 1/2 of that list.. Or with just multiplying EVs by government subsidy and/or edict..

Tell us PLEASE --- what problem do you THINK you're solving?

Have you figured in the timescale and costs of EXPANDING the grid distribution and generation to every nooky cranny of the nation?

Absolutely correct. What would be awesome is if they could figure out Tesla's system to electrify the Earths magnetic field then all you would need is an antenna to power your car.
Can you imagine how cool that would be? No need for all these damned power lines and expensive grid network. THAT would revolutionize the energy systems of this planet.

can't do that man.. The lefties would be worried about the radiation effects making their babies all snaggletoothed. Remember the Precautionary Principle...

 

[Old Rocks]

Interesting, the top end, and low end of the market selling about the same number of cars at present;

Monthly Plug-In Sales Scorecard

 

[Old Rocks]

Really don't know what problem you think you are solving here.. Other than throwing your political jihad mottos all over the place...

If we all got into our coal-fired battery wagons and drove at 60mph, we'd all be drawing the equiv. electricity that an average house uses every hour ---- each 2.6 minutes that we drive. THAT NUMBER -- aint gonna change with battery capacity or even much with battery efficiency..

Should we all be sucking up a house hour's worth of electricity every 2.6 minutes Star?

I think EVs are nifty.. But the future of EVs is in fuel cells and hydrogen --- NOT plug-in batterywagons..

Oddball already told ya that this is NOT about alternative energy.. The picture book of energy sources that you gave us is chock full of patently BAD IDEAS for alternative energy.

You like geothermal --- but probably don't like fracking right? Geothermal is where we LEARNED to frack.. And it's enviro impact is several times GREATER than an oil pump.. Not even RENEWABLE by rigorous definition.. The wells cool out and need to be redrilled.

Biomass? Seriously? Burning garbage? How do you burn garbage cleanly if you don't believe that coal can burned cleanly??

Tidal ?? You for real?? Ever see the plans for sectioning off multiple square miles of tidal basins like huge back-filled dams and the impact on shorelife? Pretty much creating a dead zone.. That is not environmentalism unless you're a complete hypocrit..

Roughly -- you're not solving anything with 1/2 of that list.. Or with just multiplying EVs by government subsidy and/or edict..

Tell us PLEASE --- what problem do you THINK you're solving?

Have you figured in the timescale and costs of EXPANDING the grid distribution and generation to every nooky cranny of the nation?

Absolutely correct. What would be awesome is if they could figure out Tesla's system to electrify the Earths magnetic field then all you would need is an antenna to power your car.
Can you imagine how cool that would be? No need for all these damned power lines and expensive grid network. THAT would revolutionize the energy systems of this planet.

can't do that man.. The lefties would be worried about the radiation effects making their babies all snaggletoothed. Remember the Precautionary Principle...

Don't know how to do that yet, and don't know what effects it would have on all too many things if we did.

 

[mamooth]

BMW introduces its electric, and offers with it free use of a standard gas-powered SUV several times a year. A very good idea, as people tend to buy vehicles based on worst-case usage. If a free gas vehicle is available for occasional long road trips, people are more likely to get an electric as their only car.

BMW Electric Offered With Spare SUV to Ease Range Anxiety - Bloomberg

 

[westwall]

Finally, a comparison between two supercars, one electric and one ICE from the SAME company so we aren't comparing apples and oranges, we're comparing two apples. The ICE version won....1:19.0 to 1:21.7

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl10m4mibbg]TOP GEAR Exclusive #StigCam: Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series vs Electric, s20 Ep 4 BBC AMERICA - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ScienceRocks]

Not bad for a tech that is still growing into its own. Wait another 8-10 years and the electric car will be kicking its ass.

 

[westwall]

Not bad for a tech that is still growing into its own. Wait another 8-10 years and the electric car will be kicking its ass.

Maybe.... You forget they are upgrading the ICE cars too..

 

[Politico]

Not bad for a tech that is still growing into its own. Wait another 8-10 years and the electric car will be kicking its ass.

Well for about 10 miles at least.

 

[Old Rocks]

The Tesla's are kicking ass at present. The Tesla S performance, 4.2, 0 to 60 mph, 134 mph top end, is excellent, and the quality is equal or better than any car in it's class. Total battery change can be done in 90 seconds, so upgrading to a much higher capacity battery as they are developed will not be a problem in the future. One can expect to see their 250 mile range Tesla converted to a 500 to 1000 mile range vehicle in the near future.

 

[Old Rocks]

Not bad for a tech that is still growing into its own. Wait another 8-10 years and the electric car will be kicking its ass.

Maybe.... You forget they are upgrading the ICE cars too..

And the cost of fuel continues to rise. While the cost of a home PV system continues to fall. And hook a small generator on a trailer behind your EV, and you have unlimited range. Until the ongoing battery development creates EV's with 500 to 1000 mile range. And that will sooner rather than later.

 

[Star]

The Tesla's are kicking ass at present. The Tesla S performance, 4.2, 0 to 60 mph, 134 mph top end, is excellent, and the quality is equal or better than any car in it's class. Total battery change can be done in 90 seconds, so upgrading to a much higher capacity battery as they are developed will not be a problem in the future. One can expect to see their 250 mile range Tesla converted to a 500 to 1000 mile range vehicle in the near future.

westwall wants Tesla -an American Company- to fail but-----but already Tesla has a 300 mile range on a one hour charge (IOW, about the same as a 15 gal, 20 MPG gas powered car) and-----and the cost is projected to cost about $35K (before rebates, credits and coupons) in 2014 and-----and a comparable gas powered sedan will cost about $57 bucks in fuel to travel 300 miles (15 gal X $3.80/gal = $57/tankful) OTOH, the Tesla will cost about 11¢/hour of charging (1 hour charge/fuel = 300 miles)


Give it up carbon suckers, every year alternative energies take over a higher and higher percentage of the energy market. Seems to me the smart thing to do would be, invest in this growth industry,
i.e. live cleaner, make money-----win-win.

To see how screwed up Republican/carbon suckers are, check out this
website Your Questions Answered | Tesla Motors
.

 

[Indofred]

Ijust can't see the objections to an electric car.
Yes, they're still expensive - new tech usually is.
Yes, they're less efficient at the moment - New tech commonly is.
Yes, there are fewer places you can refuel - new tech again.

All these arguments could easily have applied to petrol powered cars of old but they're very common now.
Electric cars may well be the future but we have to give them a chance and there is no reason at all to post pointless shit in some attempt to make them sound as if they'll never be any good.
If they aren't, the projects will simply fail.

However, more and better vehicles are coming along every day so I suspect they'll become a normal part of life in the not so distant future.

 

[whitehall]

Is it honest for the administration to keep fossil fuel prices high and force the middle class to shell out more to keep warm during the winter months? Does the radical (rich) leftie establishment concede that the Obama administration's policies are artificially increasing fossil fuel prices in order to advance an unproven agenda of freaking windmills and sun junk?